Larry Nance is this years David Lee pick. Hes a guy who has had some health issues--torn ACL last year Crohn's disease but in terms of his play he jumps like Blake Griffin hes got a nice jumpshot he defends hes a very decent passer he works hard and has pedigree and leadership abilities. Not listed in any mock either rd.

Kudos to Lou Admundson + Quincy Acy but we need higher ranged talents in the 4-5 spots. With Tyler Harvey potentially breaking his leg these two would be my targets with a late 1 and 2nd rounder even if we draft Towns or Okafor. Christmas can play some 5 in the NBA.

gunsnewing wrote:Who is Rakeem's father? LLoyd?

BRIGGS wrote:If we ended up with Russell up top we could go for these guys down below. I think a good PG like Russell could make big athletic players like this even better.

Would you rather have Russell or Jerian Grant and Christmas?

BigDaddyG wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:If we ended up with Russell up top we could go for these guys down below. I think a good PG like Russell could make big athletic players like this even better.

Would you rather have Russell or Jerian Grant and Christmas?

No question Russell. I want Russell Towns or Okafor without question--no trading that. I could be into trading Okafor for either one of those guys IF I got a nice piece or two along with it. But I really want one of those 3.

christmas is a fine athlete in his own right and he does get up which will serve him well at the next level... but mcdyess level athleticism is a bit hyperbolic...

TripleThreat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Not even listed on NBA mocks anywhere. I believe very strongly that Rakeem Christmas is the #1 MOST under rated basketball player compared to posted mock drfat positioning #54 DX #30 NBA draft.net--I think he's an Antonio Mcdyess clone

It's not just his age.

Always a troubling issue to see in a young big man is his footwork. While no one expects Tim Duncan like fundamentals out of a potential fringe draft/possible sleeper prospect, my take on Christmas is his general footwork is mediocre. There's a reason he's fallen off the map a bit. A lot of his bread and butter is around the rim, and while that might fly in the college game, without an expanded offensive arsenal, he would be much easier to neutralize in the pro game.

Another reason IMHO that big men tend to fall from the college ranks is that many have poor use of leverage concepts. Lots of big men play much smaller than their true size/potential and many players ( like a Dwayne Wade or Chuck Hayes) use their leverage to play much bigger and against bigger counterparts. From a leverage standpoint, there are things that Christmas gets away with at the college level that won't work for him in the pros. The margin for error for being out of position then relying on your athleticism to recover for you, for most players and esp players in Christmas' range, in the NBA is miniscule.

There are aspects of situational awareness that seems lacking from Christmas on the defensive end. IMHO, he does a poor job of reading the base offensive set and compounded with his footwork, would make him much easier to exploit at the pro level. It's not just having the ability to play above the rim, it's knowing when you should be playing above the rim.

Can he hit the three ball? No. Which means he's going to kill your spacing and efficiency since his around the rim game will be severely challenged at the NBA level.

Being older also means there's less likely room for leaps in development at the pro level. It's not impossible, but the expectation is that an older college player, where much of his more talented peers have left the team, should step up and start to dominate the competition. A 23 year old should be more physically developed and experienced to hammer out some 18-19 year olds who are still growing/developing their raw skills.

Well they are called "prospects" for a reason.

Can he pan out? Yes.

Is it likely? My take is No.

Would he be worth trying to acquire a late first round pick to acquire? My take is No.

Would he be a good get as a 2nd rounder? My take is Maybe, depending on what's left in the field and if the Knicks can buy some 2nd rounders.

Would he be a good get as an UDFA? Yes. Maybe some D League time will show that there were other mitigating factors to Christmas' more open flaws and he will be able to counter adjust and adapt.

I'd rather the Knicks took a guy who could show a higher floor, esp on the defensive end. My take on it.

You are looking at different years. Christmas's footwork this year has been excellent. He uses his powerful and athletic frame to get good position and he uses either hand to score from a variety of post moves. This is a guy who primarily scored as a secondary break runner/opportunistic scorer his first 3 years. This is now a 6-9 250 pound beast with long arms and hops and every game he faces the double team yet produces in volume and efficiency on both ends.