8 FT's last night, the average for the team is the lowest in the history of the league. So what do they tell the team during film sessions, when they put the stat sheet up on the board, I mean do they not look at that as a factor. I just have no faith in this coaching staff, none whatsoever.

fishmike wrote:its a jumpshooting team. Hard to get to the line shooting nothing but jumpers. Hoping that changes with better players

Well the triangle is a system that's essential going to get a ton of mid range open looks, but that doesnt mean you have to settle for that shot. Melo is one of the best mid range shooters in the league, but he doesn't always settle for that shot.

The coaching staff doesn't stress to their players the importance of being aggressive and getting to the FT line. WTF man, thats like basketball 101..dude, I said their making history..

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:its a jumpshooting team. Hard to get to the line shooting nothing but jumpers. Hoping that changes with better players

Well the triangle is a system that's essential going to get a ton of mid range open looks, but that doesnt mean you have to settle for that shot. Melo is one of the best mid range shooters in the league, but he doesn't always settle for that shot.

The coaching staff doesn't stress to their players the importance of being aggressive and getting to the FT line. WTF man, thats like basketball 101..dude, I said their making history..

look at the roster and tell me who is a guy who is going to draw a lot of contact and get to the line.

Im not trying to light you up man, not at all but I read alot of these very puzzling comments from folks here about this coaching staff.

I mean its a jump shooting roster. None of these guys are real slashers or penetrators. So why is the expectation that the coach saying "be more aggressive" is all that's lacking? Like Woodson was a great defensive coach right? That lasted for a season and a month. It comes down to the players

Its the GM's job to build the roster. Its the coaches job to put the players in a position to succeed. That being said that success will always be limited by the player's talent. Why are you blaming the coaching for player failing to do something that isnt in their skill set?

What fixed the defense? Coaching? Or was it playing Thomas, Galloway and Admundson (defensive players) rotation minutes? I mean they spent the whole training camp on defense. All they stressed early was defense. What helped the defense? Coach's urging defense or playing some players with a defensive skill set?

I mean if Calderon was shooting 8FTs a game for his career and is suddenly only taking 3 well yea... then something isnt right if this guy isnt getting the look's he's capitalized on in the past. Is that the case? I dont think it is

The first this a team does when they get the court is a lay up drill, they don't come out shooting jumper, that starts from day 1. It's as fundamental as a jump shot. This is suppose to be a yr in which we are developing young players, there's not one single sharp shooter on this team, but that doesn't stop them from hoisting up jump shot after jump shot. It's a lazy way of playing basketball, and if you are developing lazy habits, then it's on the coaching staff.

How could THJ state he learned more about defense in 3 wks with thibs, then he did in an entire season under woodson. Is that not coaching?

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:its a jumpshooting team. Hard to get to the line shooting nothing but jumpers. Hoping that changes with better players

Well the triangle is a system that's essential going to get a ton of mid range open looks, but that doesnt mean you have to settle for that shot. Melo is one of the best mid range shooters in the league, but he doesn't always settle for that shot.

The coaching staff doesn't stress to their players the importance of being aggressive and getting to the FT line. WTF man, thats like basketball 101..dude, I said their making history..

look at the roster and tell me who is a guy who is going to draw a lot of contact and get to the line.

Im not trying to light you up man, not at all but I read alot of these very puzzling comments from folks here about this coaching staff.

I mean its a jump shooting roster. None of these guys are real slashers or penetrators. So why is the expectation that the coach saying "be more aggressive" is all that's lacking? Like Woodson was a great defensive coach right? That lasted for a season and a month. It comes down to the players

Its the GM's job to build the roster. Its the coaches job to put the players in a position to succeed. That being said that success will always be limited by the player's talent. Why are you blaming the coaching for player failing to do something that isnt in their skill set?

What fixed the defense? Coaching? Or was it playing Thomas, Galloway and Admundson (defensive players) rotation minutes? I mean they spent the whole training camp on defense. All they stressed early was defense. What helped the defense? Coach's urging defense or playing some players with a defensive skill set?

I mean if Calderon was shooting 8FTs a game for his career and is suddenly only taking 3 well yea... then something isnt right if this guy isnt getting the look's he's capitalized on in the past. Is that the case? I dont think it is

The first this a team does when they get the court is a lay up drill, they don't come out shooting jumper, that starts from day 1. It's as fundamental as a jump shot. This is suppose to be a yr in which we are developing young players, there's not one single sharp shooter on this team, but that doesn't stop them from hoisting up jump shot after jump shot. It's a lazy way of playing basketball, and if you are developing lazy habits, then it's on the coaching staff.

How could THJ state he learned more about defense in 3 wks with thibs, then he did in an entire season under woodson. Is that not coaching?

And we do have one (alleged) sharp shooter in Hardaway. Why hasnt he played more? NO DEFENSE

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:its a jumpshooting team. Hard to get to the line shooting nothing but jumpers. Hoping that changes with better players

Well the triangle is a system that's essential going to get a ton of mid range open looks, but that doesnt mean you have to settle for that shot. Melo is one of the best mid range shooters in the league, but he doesn't always settle for that shot.

The coaching staff doesn't stress to their players the importance of being aggressive and getting to the FT line. WTF man, thats like basketball 101..dude, I said their making history..

look at the roster and tell me who is a guy who is going to draw a lot of contact and get to the line.

Im not trying to light you up man, not at all but I read alot of these very puzzling comments from folks here about this coaching staff.

I mean its a jump shooting roster. None of these guys are real slashers or penetrators. So why is the expectation that the coach saying "be more aggressive" is all that's lacking? Like Woodson was a great defensive coach right? That lasted for a season and a month. It comes down to the players

Its the GM's job to build the roster. Its the coaches job to put the players in a position to succeed. That being said that success will always be limited by the player's talent. Why are you blaming the coaching for player failing to do something that isnt in their skill set?

What fixed the defense? Coaching? Or was it playing Thomas, Galloway and Admundson (defensive players) rotation minutes? I mean they spent the whole training camp on defense. All they stressed early was defense. What helped the defense? Coach's urging defense or playing some players with a defensive skill set?

I mean if Calderon was shooting 8FTs a game for his career and is suddenly only taking 3 well yea... then something isnt right if this guy isnt getting the look's he's capitalized on in the past. Is that the case? I dont think it is

The first this a team does when they get the court is a lay up drill, they don't come out shooting jumper, that starts from day 1. It's as fundamental as a jump shot. This is suppose to be a yr in which we are developing young players, there's not one single sharp shooter on this team, but that doesn't stop them from hoisting up jump shot after jump shot. It's a lazy way of playing basketball, and if you are developing lazy habits, then it's on the coaching staff.

How could THJ state he learned more about defense in 3 wks with thibs, then he did in an entire season under woodson. Is that not coaching?

pretty sure thats not at all what he said. The context was in practicing against the best players in the world day after day he was learning more than he had in any other setting, or something to that affect.

And we do have one (alleged) sharp shooter in Hardaway. Why hasnt he played more? NO DEFENSE

LOL, sharp shooter in THJ, he will never be mistaken for reggie miller, allan houston, kenny smith. He's more like john starks, crawford (without the handle) streaky as hell, and will always be that way

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:its a jumpshooting team. Hard to get to the line shooting nothing but jumpers. Hoping that changes with better players

Well the triangle is a system that's essential going to get a ton of mid range open looks, but that doesnt mean you have to settle for that shot. Melo is one of the best mid range shooters in the league, but he doesn't always settle for that shot.

The coaching staff doesn't stress to their players the importance of being aggressive and getting to the FT line. WTF man, thats like basketball 101..dude, I said their making history..

look at the roster and tell me who is a guy who is going to draw a lot of contact and get to the line.

Im not trying to light you up man, not at all but I read alot of these very puzzling comments from folks here about this coaching staff.

I mean its a jump shooting roster. None of these guys are real slashers or penetrators. So why is the expectation that the coach saying "be more aggressive" is all that's lacking? Like Woodson was a great defensive coach right? That lasted for a season and a month. It comes down to the players

Its the GM's job to build the roster. Its the coaches job to put the players in a position to succeed. That being said that success will always be limited by the player's talent. Why are you blaming the coaching for player failing to do something that isnt in their skill set?

What fixed the defense? Coaching? Or was it playing Thomas, Galloway and Admundson (defensive players) rotation minutes? I mean they spent the whole training camp on defense. All they stressed early was defense. What helped the defense? Coach's urging defense or playing some players with a defensive skill set?

I mean if Calderon was shooting 8FTs a game for his career and is suddenly only taking 3 well yea... then something isnt right if this guy isnt getting the look's he's capitalized on in the past. Is that the case? I dont think it is

EXCELLENT POST!!! In the end isn't this why we're expecting Phil to add better talent? The drive is always there for players in this system, but you have to have the talent and inclination to get in there. We don't have a lot of players with that skill or mindset. If Tony Wroten came here and stopped driving completely then it would be very concerning.
I"m pretty sure that if we drafted Okafor that he'd get to the line. Player strengths do factor into this.

Another thing that is bothering me is the media refrain of this being a disaster. Some fans are still going off about the losing. At this point we need to stop buying into the media love to wallow in Knicks failure and embrace the fact that for once it was the right thing to do, to scrap the same old patch job and start over. We need to keep in mind that this isn't about this season anymore and hope we can get good Ping Pong Balls and some good Free Agents. We're losing with a purpose now. Sure we want to develop some kids and establish the culture, but overall we need a massive talent infusion.

Didn't JR, and shump completely stop driving to the basket, you mean to tell me, you can't set up a play to get Jason smith closer to the basket. I watch galloway in few games with the d-league, he took it to the basket twice as much as he's doing now. Larking is the fastest guy in the league, and he can finish pretty decently.

You don't need to be super talented to make a layup, draw some contact, not every player is westbrook, or wade, or melo, but the system is predicated on mid range shots. There are times the lane is about as wide open as a los angles highway, but they will take a jumper and brick it.

Thats why we don' get calls, because 90% of the game were a passive team, with a passive coaching staff, it almost takes a flagrant foul for us to actually get call.

Larkin is not a finisher. He's the size of a squirrel.
Galloway took 2.8 FTAs in the D league. He's taking 1.8 in the NBA. One less foul shot a game.

These players arent good. Stop blaming the coach.

BigDaddyG wrote:Teams know that our guards, for the most part, have little to no presence inside the paint. Prigs is the best case example, but the same could be said for Calderon and Larkin. That and the fact that we have no post presence makes it easier of defenses to dictate the shots we take. Run our guys off the three point line and it's no big deal. The opposing team's big men can help out without fear of giving up the dunk in the paint. Jason Smith is trying to pump fake and drive more, but that part of his game is still a work in progress.

There is not a system or a coach that can cover for a lack of talent. 3 of the rotation guys just came off 10 day contracts, and they have IMPROVED the level of play!

fishmike wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:Teams know that our guards, for the most part, have little to no presence inside the paint. Prigs is the best case example, but the same could be said for Calderon and Larkin. That and the fact that we have no post presence makes it easier of defenses to dictate the shots we take. Run our guys off the three point line and it's no big deal. The opposing team's big men can help out without fear of giving up the dunk in the paint. Jason Smith is trying to pump fake and drive more, but that part of his game is still a work in progress.

thank you. This squad is easy to defend. They are playing tougher D and thats great but as a group they are painfully limited offensively.

There is not a system or a coach that can cover for a lack of talent. 3 of the rotation guys just came off 10 day contracts, and they have IMPROVED the level of play!

I don't care weather they can finish around the rim or not, all you gotta do is be aggressive and draw contact, hell... you can throw up any kind of shot that doesn't have a pray, but if you get bump on the way up, pump fake your shot, you will get the call.

I have seen our guards get all the way to the rim, and as soon as the see contact coming they kick the ball out. Especially prigioni, calderon, and larkin. whats wrong with a coach telling the player, Hey man, take that shot, draw that contact, why kick out for a low % shot, especially if it's not a 3, their more likely to turn the ball over.

If i'm a coach, and I see my team is losing games because of lack of FT shooting, is it not my responsibility to instruct the player to keep going to the hole, or should I say, hey man, why are going to the hole when you know you can't finish. Thats not developing a player, that limiting his game to just jump shooting.

clealy FT's has a major impact on the game, so I should except the fact that we have players that are petrified of contact