Swishfm3 wrote:I don't believe that teams develop players...I don't believe its their responsibility. Between, High School, AAU & College, these players should already be "developed." By the time they reach the professional level, all the coach should be responsible for is helping that player adjust to whatever schemes he runs.

I believe the individual player is responsible for their own development by working on their deficiencies in the off season. Until the NBA adjusts the developmental league to reflect to what MLB has, an NBA coach just doesn't have enough time to hold a player by the hand...ESPECIALLY DURING the season.

No they should, that's why you have

Position and-or skillset coaches

You don't think it would be a good idea

To hire someone like Mark Price, Hakeem, Patrick, Payton, Cassell, Oakley

To teach players how to play this game

It's up to the coach and-or organization to bring these guys in or teach it themselves

I recall of stories where McHale would work with Garnett

While in Minnesota when he was the GM and coach

Sam Cassell working with John Wall in Washington

You don't think Doc had some kind of positive effect on Rondo

SVG's affect on Brandon Jennings, Kidd's effect on Brandon Knight

Kerr's effect on Curry and Klay[who actually has shooting contests with both on a habitual basis]

Dallas footing the bill or maybe it was Dirk bringing his shooting coach from Germany

To help him add things to his game along with Chandler Parsons'

I thought I recalled a televised game that said Dallas flew him in on their bill

I could go on and on, yes the player is culpable but so is the team-caoch

As for as I know, all teams have some sort of shooting and big man coach but, during the season, IMO, is not the time that you develop a player. All you can really do is help him get adjusted to the speed of the game and make sure his body is up to playing a long season.

At the end, these young players get out whatever they put in. If they are not getting extra shoot around time or participating in some sort of offseason training, it doesn't matter what the Coach/organization does during the season, they are never going to improve.

dk7th wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:F5...Its one thing to bring in a H.Olajuwon or M.Price to give a couple of clinics during the off season but its up to the player to take whatever he was taught and apply to his everyday training.

As for as I know, all teams have some sort of shooting and big man coach but, during the season, IMO, is not the time that you develop a player. All you can really do is help him get adjusted to the speed of the game and make sure his body is up to playing a long season.

At the end, these young players get out whatever they put in. If they are not getting extra shoot around time or participating in some sort of offseason training, it doesn't matter what the Coach/organization does during the season, they are never going to improve.

american basketball culture is a conveyor belt, according to william c rhoden in the book 40 million dollar slaves-- you get pushed along regardless of how much skills and knowledge you have. if you have the size and the athleticism you can conveyed along and get away with it. the nba is the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow and everyone's in on it: the kid, the kid's family, the kid's grade school coach, the kid's high school coach, the agents, the college scouts, the college coaches, the aau coaches, the friends and potential posse members.

lots of vested interests in one kid's future, and everyone but the college coach says "lets get you that contract and then worry about developing."

bottom line is they don't get taught as much as you think, coached as much as you think, trained as much as you think. otherwise we wouldn't have to endure such godawful basketball 90% of the time.

You're talking about kids in college and earlier, but once they become pros Swishfm3 is right, they have the offseason to take the advice they get regarding their weaknesses and go work on improving. There are trainers who will not only work on the kids body but his skills as well. That's how some kids go into the draft workouts often showing some improvement already. During the NBA season it's very difficult to try and do any of that kind of development work. Most of the real growth in skills comes in the offseason. That's why guys like CP3, Wall and Rose came into the league without strong shooting but have improved greatly with work in the offseason. We saw how STAT was able to improve his low post skills during the offseason.

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:F5...Its one thing to bring in a H.Olajuwon or M.Price to give a couple of clinics during the off season but its up to the player to take whatever he was taught and apply to his everyday training.

As for as I know, all teams have some sort of shooting and big man coach but, during the season, IMO, is not the time that you develop a player. All you can really do is help him get adjusted to the speed of the game and make sure his body is up to playing a long season.

At the end, these young players get out whatever they put in. If they are not getting extra shoot around time or participating in some sort of offseason training, it doesn't matter what the Coach/organization does during the season, they are never going to improve.

american basketball culture is a conveyor belt, according to william c rhoden in the book 40 million dollar slaves-- you get pushed along regardless of how much skills and knowledge you have. if you have the size and the athleticism you can conveyed along and get away with it. the nba is the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow and everyone's in on it: the kid, the kid's family, the kid's grade school coach, the kid's high school coach, the agents, the college scouts, the college coaches, the aau coaches, the friends and potential posse members.

lots of vested interests in one kid's future, and everyone but the college coach says "lets get you that contract and then worry about developing."

bottom line is they don't get taught as much as you think, coached as much as you think, trained as much as you think. otherwise we wouldn't have to endure such godawful basketball 90% of the time.

You're talking about kids in college and earlier, but once they become pros Swishfm3 is right, they have the offseason to take the advice they get regarding their weaknesses and go work on improving. There are trainers who will not only work on the kids body but his skills as well. That's how some kids go into the draft workouts often showing some improvement already. During the NBA season it's very difficult to try and do any of that kind of development work. Most of the real growth in skills comes in the offseason. That's why guys like CP3, Wall and Rose came into the league without strong shooting but have improved greatly with work in the offseason. We saw how STAT was able to improve his low post skills during the offseason.

you're just mentioning shooting. one of the elements of the game that has deteriorated is passing. i assume you know why. and what about footwork, ballhandling with the off hand, keeping your head up on the dribble? finishing with off hand, passing with the off hand?

EnySpree wrote:It used to be you show it in practice and earn your spot. Be ready when your number is called and seize the moment.

Nowadays is more like play a bum 30 mins a game so they can get better.

what's going on here?

Look my defining the coaches great at developing picks out a player heights/strengths
And make player take it to next levels to stamp what we call an 'Identity'

Can be boards, rebounding, can be D or passing
Can be specialist in as shooter,

You need a reason if your not a superstar or star in NBA
To earn a paycheck

Fools like JR Smith and Shump\Chumpert
Never took advantage of when Carmelo or Amare was hurt playing less it was playa dream chance to step up
And plug a gap to help team thus development comes into play.

You got guys e.g. Rodman and Noah whom wasn't going to be good players
But made themselves great secondary players as making a name or identity in NBA for same facts I state.

Alot of chumps in NBA .. or maybe those guys underdeveloped aren't that good to begin with.

EnySpree wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:Most of the players are only playing one year college these days; which makes it imperative for teams to have a good developmental team to help these kids to get better.

I agree but you can't fault a team if a kid doesn't get better. They have to put in the work. They are pros too so they have to adjust and be ready no matter what not sulk because things aren't going their way.

I disagree. Most teams around the league have made huge mistakes when it comes to developing young players. They have often undervalue the importance of having veteran leadership in the locker room to guide the young millionaires, as well as, haing a strong support system around to coach these kids how to be better human beings.

As an organization you have to make it part of the mantra, not to draft talent,but to develop it as well.