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EnySpree
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1/27/2015  4:48 PM
When they went to the finals they had James Harden facilitating everything from off the bench. That was their whole game plan and it's what made them who they were. It wasn't simply Durant and Westbrook and their ability to carry the team.

They got rid of Harden which isn't the problem. They never replaced that facilitator. The replaced him with Kevin martin who is a starting shooting guard. Now they have Waiters playing that role. They actually have Reggie Jackson who had proved he can pay this game just buried on the bench. They aren't a possible lottery team because of injuries. It's because of mismanagement and bad coaching.

Why isn't this ot? Because the Knicks ate constantly killed by what they do, but because a team has 2 mega stars is ok to ignore the truth about why they really do suck.

why do they need Waiters when they have plenty of perimeter players with the same talent on the bench? And for a first rounder? They really need to try and make a play for a guy like Rubio or even a guy like sessions to be the starting pg and slide Westbrook to play off the ball. They actually don't have alot of good assets to trade.

Durant is going to be a wizard. That team is built to take him on. John wall would make Durant even better. That roster has a ton of bigs to protect Durant too.

Okc to me is a team going down really fast.

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smackeddog
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1/27/2015  4:50 PM
They rested on their laurels, took what they had for granted and tried to be cheap. It's a shame- their GM is good, their players are great, their player development is great, but their owners really screwed them.
newyorknewyork
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1/27/2015  4:57 PM
There first poor decision was moving Green for Perkins. Moving Harden wasnt a bad decision but letting Martin walk for nothing ended up losing them a lot of value from the trade. They will trade Jackson though and add more future assets. They need to either develop Perry Jones at the 4 or make a move for a 4/5 yo give them more production in that area especially off the ball. Also need better perimeter shooting.
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1/27/2015  4:57 PM
Yeah they just got too cheap. Didn't want to pay a 3rd player max. Now the minute Durant hints he could be out, watch them swing a deal for B Lopez, giving him the max that Harden should have. That franchise could be in trouble soon, it's bound to catch up with them having 3 players that are actually paid and a revolving door of young players on rookie contracts who are traded for future picks as soon as they develop.
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1/27/2015  4:58 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:There first poor decision was moving Green for Perkins. Moving Harden wasnt a bad decision but letting Martin walk for nothing ended up losing them a lot of value from the trade. They will trade Jackson though and add more future assets. They need to either develop Perry Jones at the 4 or make a move for a 4/5 yo give them more production in that area especially off the ball. Also need better perimeter shooting.

Guys like Perry Jones, Lamb, etc will be traded as soon as they near the end of their rookie deals. They won't pay anyone other than Durant, Westbrook, or Ibaka unless they are extremely desprite.

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1/27/2015  5:00 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/27/2015  5:02 PM
There is no offensive schemes..Its all one on one with Durnat and Westbrook..Been saying it two year now..Its the coach..too much talent on the offensive side of the to execute the way they do..Phik would great for them as a coach ..Even LB..
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1/27/2015  5:02 PM
Knixkik wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:There first poor decision was moving Green for Perkins. Moving Harden wasnt a bad decision but letting Martin walk for nothing ended up losing them a lot of value from the trade. They will trade Jackson though and add more future assets. They need to either develop Perry Jones at the 4 or make a move for a 4/5 yo give them more production in that area especially off the ball. Also need better perimeter shooting.

Guys like Perry Jones, Lamb, etc will be traded as soon as they near the end of their rookie deals. They won't pay anyone other than Durant, Westbrook, or Ibaka unless they are extremely desprite.

That depends on asking price. Perkins is coming off the books. They will have no problem paying Jones 8mil if he levels out to that type of player. Or they could move Jackson for a pivot with a rookie deal.

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1/27/2015  6:10 PM
holfresh wrote:There is no offensive schemes..Its all one on one with Durnat and Westbrook..Been saying it two year now..Its the coach..too much talent on the offensive side of the to execute the way they do..Phik would great for them as a coach ..Even LB..

Great Post,

Exactly, while playing with much talent is great, being able to fully utilize EVERYONE as an option is on the Coach
Talent was never the question with OKC but when you can use talent and use IQ the outcome is much greater

While playing as unit, especially when it is full of chemistry, while running sets that anticipates what the defense can do or not take away will keep the other team mates ready to anticipate what to do, rather than just standing in the corner NOT knowing if the ball is coming, not knowing if they should crash the boards, and that is why GM's will continue to follow the teams like The Spur's, Atlanta, GS, in terms of how to build a team, with the principles/of players that make up for talents that ALL STAR's could provide

Yes Curry and Klay Thompson has great abilities however, their priciples as a team has never changed, HIT THE OPEN MAN
GS and Kerr fully use Curry and Klay's ability to shoot mixed in with the other players talents, to spread the floor, set picks, timely cuts, force 1v1 coverage, and forcing options open that lead to high % shots
Kerr fully utilized everyone on the roster and their ablities to the MAX, while EVERY PLAYER fully understands that NO ONE person is greater than the importance of the team
He tweaked lineups and it has worked much more effectively, the changes made elevated the DEFENSE and OFFENSE, and also has developed some role players/defining the roles/importance of each players roles while continued development

While Jackson was stubborn and was a players coach that favored some players and individual talents over how the team could play better as a whole with the rotations
Kerr has set a philosophy/princibles that fits the skills/abilities of all the players while he also tweakes the philosophies/system up for his different rotatoins and different match ups
How they remained a great defensive team while they had no Center was completely amazing while Curry has never been known to even be an average defender

Starting Lineup
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Curry
Klay

Barnes
Green (Iggy use to start and Green starts this year, however, Lee was also hurt to begin the season)

Bogut (as always hurt but great fit) with Festus Ezeli, Speights filled


Bench
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They not only have one of the most efficient OFFENSE, DEFENSE, and SHOOTERS in the SL but also one of the STRONGEST BENCH WITH GREAT CHEMISTRY
I don't even know who is the 6th man, I think it is actually Holiday or Lee, at times Livingston but who wants to really rest Curry/Thompson when they are feeling it
However, they get the luxury of having Livingston has a BACKUP PG, while he has the skills and abilities to START at PG/SG like he did last season next to Deron Williams
Almost everyone can handle the ball, and either shoot the 3 and play DEFEENSE, or REBOUND/FACILITATE, 3/5 to 4/5 of these skills/qualities OFF THE BENCH

Livingston (was out for early of the sesaon many games) very good player and could defend 2 positions and even some F's on switches if needed)
His ability to play 1v1 DEFENSE and TEAM DEFENSE, with his ability to penetrate/post up/handle the ball really adds some depth and quality player of the bench that can change the dynamic up of who to go to
Even when Curry goes out, there are no breaks for the opponents, as Livingston is a 6-7 PG and a very tough defender


Holiday (can defend 3-4 positions and has great length/athleticism/skills, while playing 3 positions from SG - PF, great development on Kerr and his staff's part)
He has moved up from being a 15th man, D League, to the 6th man and ahead of Iggy in the rotation do to his ability to defend 3-4 positions, maybe even 5 at times if needed vs backup PF/Cs
Adding a 3pt shot and confidence to his game, he not only has great size/length and defensive abilities but is now a threat as well if left open
Has to work on his handle a bit but a great find


Iggy - went from starter to 7th man, a bit slower than his younger days, but his point forward skills and his veteran leadership helps the development of the younger players
Though I belive if they were going to keep Draymond Green, they would prefer getting rid of Iggy over Lee as Holiday and McAdoo are their developments projects


Lee - was also out most of the games early and one of the most efficient players on the roster
Another Point/Forward, we all know what Lee can do, rebound/hustle/finish around the rim with any hand with great motor/hustle/work ethic, even improved his defense much when he left NYK's


Speights - complete BEAST, didn't do much last year but with Jermaine Oneil in GS, he has been a great spark on the bench and provided scoring/rebounding/toughness or whatever was needed
Could shoot the 17footer and a bit more, like a YOUNG KG did and has won some games when Curry/Klay were not hitting their shots


the rest of the players are more less development players, players that only play in blowouts, or when the above gets injured

Barbosa - still can ball and shoot, surprisingly, provide 3pt shooting and still can finish by the rim

Brandon Rush - I loved his game before his injury, he has a player option for next season and he simply cannot get minutes with the depth ahead of him, so no one really can feel out where he stands right now after his injury, would love to get both Green and Rush (with Rush to help come in like how Shannon Brown was brought to help with the Triangle with coach Fish, same for Rush, would pay him 2m per year, 2 years with team option on 2nd, if Green says he can still play, I wouldn't mind doing a 3 year deal with team option on 3rd

Festus Ezeli/Ognjen Kuzmic both are BIG's that are quite BIG, mobile, and athletic for their size, while Ezeli has looked impressive the couple of games he stepped in while Bogut was hurt and really looks improved with his jump hooks, 17 footer, and post up abilities/finish around the rim, Kuzmic, looks pretty raw but has great size and is not a stiff, mainly played in the D League

James Michael McAdoo is another prospect they just brought up, I liked him as a undrafted FA, he reminds me of a better young version of Jared Jeffries when he was here for his final stinct
He is a role player that has a great feel of the game, rebounds, runs the floor, with some guard skills, and great motor/mobility/handle for a BIG

Nemanja Nedovic - a pure shooter that doesn't get to play much

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1/27/2015  6:15 PM
holfresh wrote:There is no offensive schemes..Its all one on one with Durnat and Westbrook..Been saying it two year now..Its the coach..too much talent on the offensive side of the to execute the way they do..Phik would great for them as a coach ..Even LB..

yeah ... and their playoff schemes just don'g work. Durant needs a post game badly. They need to keep the defense honest and find different ways to spread.

And, they are a TERRIBLE 3 point shooting team.

YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO SPREAD THE FLOOR!

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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1/27/2015  6:49 PM
holfresh wrote:There is no offensive schemes..Its all one on one with Durnat and Westbrook..Been saying it two year now..Its the coach..too much talent on the offensive side of the to execute the way they do..Phil would great for them as a coach ..Even LB..

Hopefully Durant has an opportunity to play for Phil's Knicks at some point.

Would be a nice compliment to Anthony if Carmelo is at PF, since Durant has some length and can rebound the ball. Also has a the nice midrange game that goes well with the triangle.

EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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1/27/2015  7:09 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:There first poor decision was moving Green for Perkins. Moving Harden wasnt a bad decision but letting Martin walk for nothing ended up losing them a lot of value from the trade. They will trade Jackson though and add more future assets. They need to either develop Perry Jones at the 4 or make a move for a 4/5 yo give them more production in that area especially off the ball. Also need better perimeter shooting.

Moving Green wasn't bad either. He was a bad fit next to KD and they had Serge waiting in the wings. You can make the case that they should've traded for a player better than Perkins, but it made sense at the time. They thought the Pau/Bynum tandem had more years in it.

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