Jr Smith totally dogged it the last 2 years, Especially this year. Shump also had been dogging it the last two years admitting he was having issues last year and after having a great start to the year, totally regressed back into that shell again this year.

Jr Smith was totally blowing off the triangle and doing his own thing. Shumpert I noticed him cursing out his teammates on the court and on the bench calling them "stupid mother****ers" right on msg cameras.

Tim Hardaway Jr is displaying the same behavior. Last night against Orlando he was benched again and decided to shoot every time he got it. He went 2-7 in 7 minutes at one point. You can see him begging for the ball then shaking his head when he didn't get it. You could see him yelling at guys to get to spots on the floor. Not directing traffic but cursing guys out in the game. There's a way to do things and he deserves his benchings.

there is no coincidence that this team all of a sudden playing better. They added 3 professional guys to the rotation and to that locker room. We need to keep sorting things out. Tim Hardaway Jr need to be traded. Amare still thinks he's better than his teammates, like hes the alpha. He needs to go too. We're not going to make the playoffs, but we're going to clearly establish ourselves going forward and paint a better picture how free agents can fit here in the offseason.

Shump is yet to be determined, but on a winning team, I think he pulls it together. Before his injury he just had so much promise and I'm curious what he does in Cleveland. Speaking of, I think Wiggins would be helping them more than Love, as he just doesn't fit there (yet).

Unfortunately, cleaning house is sometimes the only way to turn things around. Sort of like re-creating chemistry.

holfresh wrote:Blaming JR abd Shump for this is weak and wrong...We won the first two of three games this year and articles were out almost ushering Fisher into the HOF..Knick fans were starting thread canonizing Fisher...We won tree games and it's JR and Shump's fault??...Come on...

JR was the second best player on the Knicks team which is a bigger indictment on the Knicks talent level...Now JR is the 4th best option on Cleveland, which is much more suitable. How many teams have a 4th option as offensively talented as JR? When JR was off with the Knicks, we had trouble scoring...If JR is off with Cleve, they can still win, but he's on, he can push them over the top....A healthy Cavs team is going to be dangerous come May.

Why did we trade for AB after watching Copeland develop quite nicely in NYK?
That 1st rounder and 2 2nd rounders could have been utilized much better had we not made that trade

Again, what happened when Iman Shumpert, JR SMith, Chris Copeland brough us back to life in game 5 or 6 from a defecit while CA was struggling throughout the game and series
Adjustments needed to be made and Woodson didn't want to make them, relying back on a lineup that simply couldn't execute on both ends

holfresh wrote:

RonRon wrote:I blame that on Woodson and his inability to utilize the proper rotation/lineups even when they showed they were not working and were playing right in to what Vogel and The Pacers wanted us to do
Why was Chris Copeland signed by the Pacers again?

Why did we trade for AB after watching Copeland develop quite nicely in NYK?
That 1st rounder and 2 2nd rounders could have been utilized much better had we not made that trade

Again, what happened when Iman Shumpert, JR SMith, Chris Copeland brough us back to life in game 5 or 6 from a defecit while CA was struggling throughout the game and series
Adjustments needed to be made and Woodson didn't want to make them, relying back on a lineup that simply couldn't execute on both ends

Woodson took that team as far as it could have gone...That should be more crystal to everyone given the team's performance this year..Copeland is not a player to rely on..Melo was being doubled and no one else stepped up...Indy is now choking on Cope's contract like Houston was with Lin...

Regardless, they signed Copeland so another team could not sign him, as Copeland exposed how to beat Indiana in the last 2 games when we were foced to go small do to injuries
Both West and Hibbet cannot just camp and patrol the paint, while 1 must go out to contest his ability to shoot the 3
Whether they utilize him now is irrelevent, they didn't want another team to be able to use Copeland and they was why they signed him

Gereld Green and Miles Plumlee with a 1st rounder were traded for Scola
Point is like Copeland, Green and Plumlee were not utilized and probably didn't even fit in with Indiana

Courtney Lee is another player that was HORRIBLE on Boston, however, he has found a home in a team that FITS his abilities/skills in Memphis

Danny Green was cut an waived for in Cleveland next to Lebron
Boris Diaw was useless on Atlanta and Bobcats

So what a player does or doesn't do on ONE team doesn't necassarility mean that they do not have skills and that is where the team chemistry/philosophy/role/system and the talent on each team being different would change the fit on another

I find it hilarious how people love to use Boxscore to justify what a player can or can't do, especially with out watching games
The players I listed above are just some of the players that proves my point

One roster's trash could be another teams treasure

Uptown wrote:

holfresh wrote:Blaming JR abd Shump for this is weak and wrong...We won the first two of three games this year and articles were out almost ushering Fisher into the HOF..Knick fans were starting thread canonizing Fisher...We won tree games and it's JR and Shump's fault??...Come on...

JR was the second best player on the Knicks team which is a bigger indictment on the Knicks talent level...Now JR is the 4th best option on Cleveland, which is much more suitable. How many teams have a 4th option as offensively talented as JR? When JR was off with the Knicks, we had trouble scoring...If JR is off with Cleve, they can still win, but he's on, he can push them over the top....A healthy Cavs team is going to be dangerous come May.

Right now Mozgov is playing like the better big

On Cleveland considering both sides of the ball and short time there

What does this say about Cleveland's talent level

Heck you could say J.R. is playing like their 3rd best player now

holfresh wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Uptown wrote:

holfresh wrote:Blaming JR abd Shump for this is weak and wrong...We won the first two of three games this year and articles were out almost ushering Fisher into the HOF..Knick fans were starting thread canonizing Fisher...We won tree games and it's JR and Shump's fault??...Come on...

JR was the second best player on the Knicks team which is a bigger indictment on the Knicks talent level...Now JR is the 4th best option on Cleveland, which is much more suitable. How many teams have a 4th option as offensively talented as JR? When JR was off with the Knicks, we had trouble scoring...If JR is off with Cleve, they can still win, but he's on, he can push them over the top....A healthy Cavs team is going to be dangerous come May.

You nailed it...Fans don't get it...JR Smith should be your 4th option not your 2nd, period...

So then you agree that jr was a cancer to this team or nah. He was our second option and he in turn brought the team down. We lost talent and now all of a sudden we ate playing better. Not a coincidence.

JR is a scapegoat..We beat the Pelicans without Anthony Davis, beat the Sixer then Magic and now we are good??

JR can easily be a teams 5 best player, problem here was he was at times our third and even worst our second. Shumpert is different, but he was a role player being touted as a lock down starter.

thats on the team moreso than the players