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Ray15
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6/16/2004  4:42 PM
1. Mark Blount - He would give us a great defensive presence inside. He is a legit 7 foot center and would help our defense so much. He would be perfect to help bring this team to the next level. The Heat may beat us out offering the MLE. Would a KT for Blount sign and trade suit Boston? Would Blount want to get paid a little extra to come to NY? Would a Frank Williams and Mutombo deal get the job done?

2. Etan Thomas - He's only 6'9 but he's huge. He is a shot blocker who can clog the lane ala Ben Wallace. Get him for the full MLE and he can be our center, especially in the East. Ben Wallace isn't a true 5 but he was able to survive against the biggest guy in the league due to hustle and athletic ability. Would the MLE get him here?

3. Stromile Swift - 6'9 but long arms and shotblocking ability would allow him to play the 5 in the east. Memphis would probably match the MLE so we would need a sign and trade. KT and FW for Swift and Dantay Jones?
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6/16/2004  5:25 PM
i've read in an article today that the Celtics are interested in signing Etan Thomas to take Blount's place if he decides to sign w/another team...they are said to be willing to offer Etan the MLE as well.

i like Etan Thomas' game too...he had some NASTY dunks over Deke in that game towards the end of last season, remember? he looks like a young, athletic Brian Grant...but how's his defense though? i haven't watched much of him to get a good read on what his strengths & weaknesses are.
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6/16/2004  7:46 PM
Etan would bring a ben wallace attitude to the knicks... would like to see him here. doubt he'd play/start over nazr (politics).

nazr and tim thomas play so soft, it's sad.

blount is seemingly headed to the heat... i wouldnt be surprised if he went to philly though, and reunited with his old coach from the celts...

imagine that "philly blount"
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6/16/2004  11:42 PM
I like Etan

but i still want a big name guy
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6/17/2004  3:05 AM
few are reachable. Those that we can reach are either overpaid, damaged or old. Bad combo i think.
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6/17/2004  9:21 AM
We need to take a chance on an Oakley for Camby type deal. In this case, dealing KT for a younger, perhaps unproven and inconsistent, but talented big man who can make a difference. The problem is KT, while younger, probably doesnt have the same value around the league as a clearly declining Oak did 5 years ago because of his rep. However, I def. think Isiah is exploring ways to get us younger and more athletic up front. EThomas and Swift are probably on the radar. These guys are probably behind where Camby was a few years ago, but we're need to take chances. EThomas has the kind of toughness and fire we're looking for and had a few nice games against us...I would not be surprised if we are looking at him.
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6/17/2004  12:06 PM
He is a shot blocker who can clog the lane ala Ben Wallace. Get him for the full MLE and he can be our center, especially in the East. Ben Wallace isn't a true 5 but he was able to survive against the biggest guy in the league due to hustle and athletic ability.

I think you need to go read the latest thread I started.

Knicks don't need a guy that is just an athletic defensive presence. Knicks don't need Ben Wallace. Knicks don't need a Sheed duplicate either.



The Original Bad Boys didn't have a shot blocker outside of John Salley. Salley was not getting 30 plus minutes either. There are more than one way to play good defense. That team was filled with players that not only played defense but they could score with the best of them.

Knicks need to be the Knicks and get guys here that can play our style.



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6/17/2004  12:22 PM
Posted by Caseloads:

imagine that "philly blount"

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6/17/2004  12:43 PM
Etan would be an upgrade over Muhammad if he would stay healthy. And he is versitile enough to play C & PF. His shotblocking is what makes him an upgrade plus he plays with more tenacity. 6'10 260 a atheltic bull.

If we could move Muhammad & KT for a big time frontcourt player And sign Etan Thomas our front court would be really though.

What I would love on D though is a Kenyon Martin, Sheed type of player. And its not even there shot blocking that I like about them. I like there ability to guard almost every positon. U get a few bigs who can guard SGs,SFs,PFs,Cs and u will be very tough defensivley.
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Posted by VDesai:

We need to take a chance on an Oakley for Camby type deal. In this case, dealing KT for a younger, perhaps unproven and inconsistent, but talented big man who can make a difference. The problem is KT, while younger, probably doesnt have the same value around the league as a clearly declining Oak did 5 years ago because of his rep. However, I def. think Isiah is exploring ways to get us younger and more athletic up front. EThomas and Swift are probably on the radar. These guys are probably behind where Camby was a few years ago, but we're need to take chances. EThomas has the kind of toughness and fire we're looking for and had a few nice games against us...I would not be surprised if we are looking at him.

I agree with what you are saying.

We talked about Etan before but The Knicks only have one exemption. Etan is one of my favorite big men. I like his fire and toughness. I just love the dude....I would love to have him instead of KT. Maybe Isiah should have let KT become a free agent and gave the Etan that money.

Even though I feel that deeply for him.....the Knicks just have bigger needs overal as a team to just give Etan the exemption. Etan does deserve it though. He is the prototypical power forward in my opinion. I'm hoping Sweetney can fill that type of role.

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6/17/2004  12:57 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

What I would love on D though is a Kenyon Martin, Sheed type of player. And its not even there shot blocking that I like about them. I like there ability to guard almost every positon. U get a few bigs who can guard SGs,SFs,PFs,Cs and u will be very tough defensivley.

Yeah but while the Knicks are guarding everyone......who is guarding us? How will the Knicks score? Just have Marbury chuck up shots all night?

Like Stomile.....someone brought up a Oakely for Camby type of trade. Stomile for KT would be similiar....Knicks need a guy that can score from the 4 spot. Not just score but anchor the scoring down low. Not like Ewing but just a guy that can definately score and cause the opposing team to play defense on everyone instead of just Marbury.


Knicks gotta get better not only defensively they gotta be able to score too. Sometimes if you score you can take the life out of another team. That makes it easier to play defense if you know you can score right back if your defense fails.

Man with the Garden crowd screaming defense....at that instance Gary Coleman could stop Jordan.



[Edited by - enyspree on 06/17/2004 13:00:34]
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6/17/2004  1:17 PM
I said what I would love on D. I was focusing only on the defense.

On offense I would love a pick and roll optionS for Marbury. I would love Houston & TT to be healthy so that Marbury-Houston-TT could form a very very strong perimeter game feeding off each other.

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6/17/2004  2:06 PM
our #1 priority is an athletic frontcourt player IMO. Stro Swift, especially because of his upside is perfect. Then you can move KT to Utah for one of their late #1's and get a young SG guard or a Euro player, or just trade the pick for one next year.

With Marbury, TT, Houston, Penny, heck even Dermaar or Frank we have enough guys that can score.
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6/17/2004  9:57 PM

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Man with the Garden crowd screaming defense....at that instance Gary Coleman could stop Jordan.



[Edited by - enyspree on 06/17/2004 13:00:34]

Man, too bad we never had Gary Coleman from 91-93 or for 95. I seem to remember Jordan not really giving a crap about the Garden crowd.

The Knicks do need a shotblocker/intimidator type. I would take Stromile, but I don't think he'll be available. I think getting Damps in a trade is doable, but maybe not. They could sign Chris Andersen or Etan Thomas for the MLE.

Fact is, there will be a lot of major players on the move this summer and the Knicks don't have the ammo to get in on it, though they do have some tradeable assets and can make some smart moves.

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6/17/2004  11:26 PM
Posted by EnySpree:



I think you need to go read the latest thread I started.

Knicks don't need a guy that is just an athletic defensive presence. Knicks don't need Ben Wallace. Knicks don't need a Sheed duplicate either.

The Original Bad Boys didn't have a shot blocker outside of John Salley. Salley was not getting 30 plus minutes either. There are more than one way to play good defense. That team was filled with players that not only played defense but they could score with the best of them.

Knicks need to be the Knicks and get guys here that can play our style.


EnySpree --

1. To play great defense, there are two main ingredients. The first is perimeter defenders who get after people and can guard opposing guards at halfcourt without getting beat one on one. Clearly we have nobody on this roster (with the exception of Frank Williams occassionaly) who can do that. The second ingredient is a big man who can alter shots inside. It allows everybody to play their men more closely because they know if they get beat, a shotblocker will be right behind them to alter the shot. It's not only the shots that are blocked but it's also the one's that are altered due to the presence. Especially in our case, if we don't have the perimeter players we need the inside guy. The game has also changed since the badboys. A shotblocker is necessary -- look at how exposed we have been since Camby and Ewing have left. And we don't have anybody. I would love a John Saley type player which is why I'm high on Chris Anderson. Even though he would only play 15 to 20 mins, he would help our defense so much.

2. Offense doesn't lead to good defense. That comment about "That makes it easier to play defense if you know you can score right back if your defense fails." just doesn't make sense to me. If I'm a player that logic would give me incentive to take off on the defensive end rather than the offensive end which no championship team has ever done. Look at the Mavs -- do they play better defense cause they know they can score? On the other hand, great defense definitley leads to good offense. Look at the Nets against us. Their transition game started when we turned the ball over and they got after us on defense which all led to easy layups and dunks. Look at the Pistons this whole year.

3. This thread was not only about a ben wallace type player but about how we need an athletic, young, shotblocking presence up front. I tried to put a list of guys that may be attainable and wanted to see what you guys think. Of course you have your opinion about how good defense is played and I have mine.
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6/17/2004  11:50 PM
Posted by EnySpree:


Maybe Isiah should have let KT become a free agent and gave the Etan that money.

Even though I feel that deeply for him.....the Knicks just have bigger needs overal as a team to just give Etan the exemption. Etan does deserve it though. He is the prototypical power forward in my opinion. I'm hoping Sweetney can fill that type of role.


We are over the cap. If KT became a free agent, we would not have been able to sign Etan Thomas with anything other than the MLE (same as we can do now). When you are over the cap, if you don't resign your own free agents you can't use that money to go after other guys.

And I think we have two glaring needs that I give equal weight to. A shotblocking 4 or 5 which any of the three guys I listed would provide. A 2 guard that can score but also lock down people.

My 2 guard wish list starts with a guy who has never played a minute in the NBA...

Andre Iguodola, Stephen Jackson, and Q Richardson top my list. I would be happy with Crawford because even though he is an average to below average defender, he is young enough and athletic enough to develop into a solid defender especially with Isiah as a mentor.

My big man wish list is what I listed as well as Sheed, Okur, Chris Anderson.
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6/18/2004  1:05 AM
I think Okur and Andersen are both obtainable, with the Knicks still getting a solid wingman.

Okur for the full MLE, after Brown totally snubbing him in the playoffs, I think is a definite chance. Don't think he'll merit more than a full MLE, not even sure if he's worth it. He's a great offensive big man, from what I've seen.

If Cezary goes to the Bobcats, the Knicks get his trade exception for a little bit more than the LLE. Have the Nuggets re-sign Chris Andersen for that amount, then trade the exception and a future 2nd rounder. Having Andersen patrol the paint for 10-15 minutes per game I think is worth it.

The press has mentioned trading Harrington to the Bobcats for a player they draft. Give them Harrington and a future pick for Gerald Wallace. He can backup Houston.

PG: Marbury, Williams, Norris
SG: Houston, Wallace, Anderson
SF: TThomas, Penny
PF: KThomas, Sweetney
C: Okur, Andersen, Mohammed

I think that team is versatile and still getting younger, not older.
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