I agree we havent made to many good transactions that has made our team better. the only one u forgot about was the harrington trade. eventhough i think the rice trade will benefit us it hasnt worked out good at all for us so far. once spoon gets back we have to trade one of our PF and pg's.

Posted by john44:

I agree we havent made to many good transactions that has made our team better. the only one u forgot about was the harrington trade. eventhough i think the rice trade will benefit us it hasnt worked out good at all for us so far. once spoon gets back we have to trade one of our PF and pg's.

You're right. I forgot about Harrington. I also think Jackson has been much better recently. I just don't think his offensive skills make up for his defensive deficiencies, at least in VG's defense oriented system.

I still have faith in the big 3...

I hate to be negative, but I mean we just had a home game against Houston, a team missing its do-it-all leader and is not having a great season - and we escaped with a narrow victory.

Right now I just don't see us beating a Milaukee or a Toronto in the playoffs.

Posted by knickgeek:

Posted by MCfan23:

I think we will definitely get to the playoffs, although maybe as only the 8th seed. It's a question of how deep can we get into the playoffs...my prediction is another first round exit.

They could go to the playoffs and I still may not feel any better about them. I just don't think they're going anywhere in the longer term. I don't know what it is they're missing; maybe it is "heart", mabye team chemistry. I trace it back to trading Patrick Ewing for Rice and Knight.

I know Patrick was getting old, but there's no way the Knicks were better (as sprewell said) without Patrick. That was proved by their early exit in the playoffs last year. (The first year without Ewing). Whatever else you want to say about Patrick, he was a warrior. He had heart, and he hated to lose.

We have no heart, no passion. Where is the FIRE?

Look at last season, we could beat anyone but loose to anyone as well. If we make it to the playoffs I hope it will be the eigth seed so we can get a reasonable draft pick as well.

You forgot Trenton Hassell. Or maybe Oscar Torres but then again he didn't get drafted at all. Boumtje Boumtje is really good as well. Most though are on the injured list so we can't really judge their progress can we? I was really curious about Jeryl Sasser but haven't seen him play..

anyways..

Projected second round round picks ranked in order of my own personal preference

Juan Carlos Navarro 6-4 PG/SG
Rasual Butler 6-7 205 SF
Tamar Slay 6-8 210 SG(SF)
Tito Maddox 6-4 190 PG
Bostjan Nachbar 6-8 SF
Lynn Greer 6-1 175 PG
Randy Holcomb 6-9 219 SF/PF
Juan Dixon 6-3 152 SG/PG (played it in highschool)
Steve Logan 6-0 198 PG (would rank him higher if he were taller)
Mario Stojic 6-6 SF
Dan Gadzuric 6-11 245 C ( I admit it, just because he’s dutch)
Kris Lang 6-11 256 PF/C.
John Salmons 6-7 200 SF.
Robert Archibald 6-11 250 C

I personally think we should get a SF with the first round pick and a PG in our second round pick. I think we’ll probably have two second round picks as we still are one or two due from Boston. If I were to be so lucky to be making the pick I would use this list and just mark them off when they are selected so I can get my personal highest pick which I’m guessing will be Jiri Welsch/Cooke/Jefferies/Butler. Unless scouts are going to really pick Welsch up as he’s hella nice but will have to strengthen up a little.. As for Juan Carlos Navarro “la bomba”, he should be a first round pick but is projected as a late second round pick. A no brainer pickup.

[Edited by - knicksbabyyeah on 12/05/2001 19:04:44]

Posted by john44:

Why would anyone be looking into next years draft when this season is only 20 games old. Also what team in the east is so special that we cant make it to the finals. Of course we wouldnt have a chance against the Lakers but nobody does and eventhough a championship is the only thing that matters in NY fans should still give them some love for making the finals with this team.

unfortunately, we are going to make the playoffs, and even if we go to the finals, we aren't going to win, but so what.

oh, and there is a trade rumor on the top shelf that keeps flying around in certain circles - Marcus Camby for Lamar Odom. The salaries don't match though, so i think it's more like:

Camby and Spoon/Harrington/Thomas for Odom and Kandi.

Posted by knickgeek:

Posted by john44:

Why would anyone be looking into next years draft when this season is only 20 games old. Also what team in the east is so special that we cant make it to the finals. Of course we wouldnt have a chance against the Lakers but nobody does and eventhough a championship is the only thing that matters in NY fans should still give them some love for making the finals with this team.

I think when Camby is in there, and the Knicks maintain their concentration, they are good enough to win the east; the problem is that Camby has a tendency to injury, and the Knicks often lose their concentration, especially if they are up big.

Winning is, of course, the ultimate goal of any sports team, but
I'd still like to know what the long term plan is. How are we going to get good enough to one day win the finals? I think the ownership of the Knicks cynically trades and overspends to try to keep the Knicks in the playoffs and ticket prices high.

They don't develop the players they have - was Brunson really that bad or did he just not get enough playing time? Is Travis Knight really just a token white boy on the bench or might he contribute something? When will Lavor Postell get any significant minutes? Probably not until he is traded to another team.

You are RIGHT on the money with all your points. And clearly, brunson is not that bad, as he is logging minutes in portland.