BRIGGS wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

Hector wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Hector wrote:Didn't like Okafor missing that reverse dunk, he doesn't get up too high.
If he goes #1, I wonder if he'll even be as Good as Brad Dougherty?
Brad was okay, but not the career yoOkafornt with the #1 overall pick.
It has to be either Towns or 1 of the guards.

Hector c ome on. If there is oneplayer who has earned pic k 1 its ok4 by a reasonable margin. Yep he missed a stupid reverse dunk and hit his other 10 shots

I only used that missed dunk as an example of how I feel he isn't that athletic. You'd think I was talking bad about someone's sister the way people get so defensive. All those layups he made - he's not getting those shots in the NBA. He played well but it wasn't very representative of what he'll go against in the future.

Nowhere did I call Brad Dougherty a bust, I just don't want a player like that if there is a monster among the other choices.

OK4 is very young, still- hard to anticipate what his eventual ceiling is athletically speaking, but he is not a tremendous leaper at this point in his development, and lacks defensive intensity in the games I've seen him play so far.

I actually linked OK4 and Dougherty in my mind at one point.

Daugherty had a better shooting touch from outside, was an excellent passer, but I can't picture his interior game in my mind.

He was also a sub-par shot blocker who only averaged more than 1.0 BPG, ONCE in his NBA career, and even in college he only averaged about 1/game. He averaged only .7 for his injury shortened career, which is pathetic for a man of his size. Luckily, he eventually had Larry Nance playing with him, and Nance was a good shot blocker.

Not sure what kind of man/man defender he was, but the Cavs had a few good defensive years while he was there.

Solid and consistent player.

I think the physical comparison between OK4 and Daugherty at this point is more than fair. Daugherty never had the interior moves that OK4 has at his young age, but the comparing them in terms of defensive presence is legitimate, and has to be of concern.

I don't think you can have OK4 at 5 and Anthony at 4 because it will lead to a porous interior D, and if you find a stud shot blocker with a limited offensive game to play at the 5, while OK4 is at the 4, and Anthony is at the 3, you still have some major perimeter D issues, especially considering the popularity of stretch 4's these days.

Have to consider this stuff, however much folks like OK4.

Okafor will surprise in the NBA. Making generalizations that he will have no jump shot when he is 19 is absurd. I tend to look at him as unique and consistent. Something not even one other player in this draft can say. It is irrational and incredulous to draft based on Carmelo. It makes no sense. Its possible wit this injury caremlo will never be the same player. Walt this team needs pieces 1 by 1 we are that bad. We need talent and we can't take risks right now. Let's see what okafor does today against a very athletic and aggressive San Diego state who has the ability to beat duke

Thinking about it, Carmelo needs Russell more than the 2 bigs. I'd say Mudiay also, but he really is an unknown factor, isn't he.
I think Russell could help facilitate Carmelo & some offense, but I like the thought of what Towns might turn out to be.

Hector wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

Hector wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Hector wrote:Didn't like Okafor missing that reverse dunk, he doesn't get up too high.
If he goes #1, I wonder if he'll even be as Good as Brad Dougherty?
Brad was okay, but not the career yoOkafornt with the #1 overall pick.
It has to be either Towns or 1 of the guards.

Hector c ome on. If there is oneplayer who has earned pic k 1 its ok4 by a reasonable margin. Yep he missed a stupid reverse dunk and hit his other 10 shots

I only used that missed dunk as an example of how I feel he isn't that athletic. You'd think I was talking bad about someone's sister the way people get so defensive. All those layups he made - he's not getting those shots in the NBA. He played well but it wasn't very representative of what he'll go against in the future.

Nowhere did I call Brad Dougherty a bust, I just don't want a player like that if there is a monster among the other choices.

OK4 is very young, still- hard to anticipate what his eventual ceiling is athletically speaking, but he is not a tremendous leaper at this point in his development, and lacks defensive intensity in the games I've seen him play so far.

I actually linked OK4 and Dougherty in my mind at one point.

Daugherty had a better shooting touch from outside, was an excellent passer, but I can't picture his interior game in my mind.

He was also a sub-par shot blocker who only averaged more than 1.0 BPG, ONCE in his NBA career, and even in college he only averaged about 1/game. He averaged only .7 for his injury shortened career, which is pathetic for a man of his size. Luckily, he eventually had Larry Nance playing with him, and Nance was a good shot blocker.

Not sure what kind of man/man defender he was, but the Cavs had a few good defensive years while he was there.

Solid and consistent player.

I think the physical comparison between OK4 and Daugherty at this point is more than fair. Daugherty never had the interior moves that OK4 has at his young age, but the comparing them in terms of defensive presence is legitimate, and has to be of concern.

I don't think you can have OK4 at 5 and Anthony at 4 because it will lead to a porous interior D, and if you find a stud shot blocker with a limited offensive game to play at the 5, while OK4 is at the 4, and Anthony is at the 3, you still have some major perimeter D issues, especially considering the popularity of stretch 4's these days.

Have to consider this stuff, however much folks like OK4.

Okafor will surprise in the NBA. Making generalizations that he will have no jump shot when he is 19 is absurd. I tend to look at him as unique and consistent. Something not even one other player in this draft can say. It is irrational and incredulous to draft based on Carmelo. It makes no sense. Its possible wit this injury caremlo will never be the same player. Walt this team needs pieces 1 by 1 we are that bad. We need talent and we can't take risks right now. Let's see what okafor does today against a very athletic and aggressive San Diego state who has the ability to beat duke

Thinking about it, Carmelo needs Russell more than the 2 bigs. I'd say Mudiay also, but he really is an unknown factor, isn't he.
I think Russell could help facilitate Carmelo & some offense, but I like the thought of what Towns might turn out to be.

gunsnewing wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Hector wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

Hector wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Hector wrote:Didn't like Okafor missing that reverse dunk, he doesn't get up too high.
If he goes #1, I wonder if he'll even be as Good as Brad Dougherty?
Brad was okay, but not the career yoOkafornt with the #1 overall pick.
It has to be either Towns or 1 of the guards.

Hector c ome on. If there is oneplayer who has earned pic k 1 its ok4 by a reasonable margin. Yep he missed a stupid reverse dunk and hit his other 10 shots

I only used that missed dunk as an example of how I feel he isn't that athletic. You'd think I was talking bad about someone's sister the way people get so defensive. All those layups he made - he's not getting those shots in the NBA. He played well but it wasn't very representative of what he'll go against in the future.

Nowhere did I call Brad Dougherty a bust, I just don't want a player like that if there is a monster among the other choices.

OK4 is very young, still- hard to anticipate what his eventual ceiling is athletically speaking, but he is not a tremendous leaper at this point in his development, and lacks defensive intensity in the games I've seen him play so far.

I actually linked OK4 and Dougherty in my mind at one point.

Daugherty had a better shooting touch from outside, was an excellent passer, but I can't picture his interior game in my mind.

He was also a sub-par shot blocker who only averaged more than 1.0 BPG, ONCE in his NBA career, and even in college he only averaged about 1/game. He averaged only .7 for his injury shortened career, which is pathetic for a man of his size. Luckily, he eventually had Larry Nance playing with him, and Nance was a good shot blocker.

Not sure what kind of man/man defender he was, but the Cavs had a few good defensive years while he was there.

Solid and consistent player.

I think the physical comparison between OK4 and Daugherty at this point is more than fair. Daugherty never had the interior moves that OK4 has at his young age, but the comparing them in terms of defensive presence is legitimate, and has to be of concern.

I don't think you can have OK4 at 5 and Anthony at 4 because it will lead to a porous interior D, and if you find a stud shot blocker with a limited offensive game to play at the 5, while OK4 is at the 4, and Anthony is at the 3, you still have some major perimeter D issues, especially considering the popularity of stretch 4's these days.

Have to consider this stuff, however much folks like OK4.

Okafor will surprise in the NBA. Making generalizations that he will have no jump shot when he is 19 is absurd. I tend to look at him as unique and consistent. Something not even one other player in this draft can say. It is irrational and incredulous to draft based on Carmelo. It makes no sense. Its possible wit this injury caremlo will never be the same player. Walt this team needs pieces 1 by 1 we are that bad. We need talent and we can't take risks right now. Let's see what okafor does today against a very athletic and aggressive San Diego state who has the ability to beat duke

Thinking about it, Carmelo needs Russell more than the 2 bigs. I'd say Mudiay also, but he really is an unknown factor, isn't he.
I think Russell could help facilitate Carmelo & some offense, but I like the thought of what Towns might turn out to be.

i dont want to draft based on what fits melo. Just pick the best player available who you feel has the highest ceiling

Which is why you pick Towns. It just so happens he also fits with Melo

jullybully21 wrote:I would love to try and get a late first pick and get Justin Anderson from Virginia. He can knock down shots, a stout defender, and athletic. He to me is a Tony Allen but with a jumper. He is not a great but solid all round basketball player. He is a leader and would be what we wish Shump would be fir this team (a 3 and D SG).

I'd get Devin Booker with that late first round pick

grayson allen is so annoying... he is a typical duke player.. and the biggest whiner i have seen...

FistOfOakley wrote:the euro's are pretty overrated this year... they score but don't do much else...

grayson allen is so annoying... he is a typical duke player.. and the biggest whiner i have seen...

You know anything about this guy Aleksandar Vezenkov? Seems like a great shooter and rebounder

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Aleksandar-Vezenkov-6429/stats/

yellowboy90 wrote:Grant putting on a passing clinic. He might not rebound but he does a lot of other things. If he can develop his 3pt shot and get to the line he might be a nice player in the nba. He's D. Wade-lite to me.

Agreed. Just posted in the other thread that he is proving that he can impact the game even when he is not scoring. Vision of a pg and athleticism of a sg.