(The Hawks rid themselves of Joe Johnson in July 2012.)

33 assists last night in Chicago. Beautiful basketball. Not a super star in the bunch. Unselfish. Playing for each other.

If Uncle Phil is the Zen Master of team building, few of the new Knicks names will be the familiar or fantasized. Eight or nine men, with tiny egos, who fit perfectly together.

Piece of cake.

misterearl wrote:How long?

(The Hawks rid themselves of Joe Johnson in July 2012.)

33 assists last night in Chicago. Beautiful basketball. Not a super star in the bunch. Unselfish. Playing for each other.

If Uncle Phil is the Zen Master of team building, few of the new Knicks names will be the familiar or fantasized. Eight or nine men, with tiny egos, who fit perfectly together.

Piece of cake.

and to think that the hawks almost blew it up last year by the deadline. They wanted to trade teague and other pieces but then they went on a crazy run and actually made the playoffs and the fire sale was over.

mreinman wrote:if only these teams were running the triangle. They would both win the ring this year.

EnySpree wrote:Knicks had to break this down to the bone and start over. I'm willing to see how this fisher/Phil thing goes. Trade deadline, draft, offseason.... that where the money will be earned

Knicks1969 wrote:I am Happy with Phil, but wholeheartedly disagree with the hiring of Fisher. Had he not made that hire, he would have earned an A+ as an executive thus fAr.

what????????

thats funny.

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:I am Happy with Phil, but wholeheartedly disagree with the hiring of Fisher. Had he not made that hire, he would have earned an A+ as an executive thus fAr.

what????????

thats funny.

Do you even give him a grade before the trade deadline, the draft and free agency? This team will look very different next year.

I am talking about so far. Saying that his only mistake was hiring fisher is crazy.

I enjoy a nice dose of reality

TripleThreat wrote:

misterearl wrote:How long?

(The Hawks rid themselves of Joe Johnson in July 2012.)

The core of the Hawks now are Al Horford ( 2007 1st rounder) and Jeff Teague ( 2009 1st rounder)

The Hawks had a bad drafting streak, taking Boris Diaw, Shelden Williams, Josh Childress and Marvin Williams in consecutive drafts. Instead of jettisoning picks after such a horrible streak, the Hawks kept at it, and got Horford, the leader and foundation of their team now.

Trying to shortcut success and get that "name" player right away, the Hawks traded a couple of first rounders and Diaw to the Suns for Joe Johnson, whom they later overpaid and had to get rid of, and without being able to rape the Nets in a deal with a win now gangster owner, would still be stuck on his deal.

Those first rounders turned into Robin Lopez and Rajon Rondo. While not all trades end up losing this kind of return value, think about it twice before some of you decide just randomly shipping out future draft picks is such a boondoggle in your own minds. The Hawks didn't just lose better players, they also lost COST CONTROLLED YEARS.

Please no one say the Hawks are where they are since 2012 and on, the core of this team has to date back all the way to 2007. And the Hawks tried what some of you talked about, trading back into a draft ( 2007) to try to double dip and get another player. That player ended up as Acie Law. The cost for Law? Al Harrington. Whom we all know best as the guy the Knicks got for Jamal Crawford.

Millsap, Carroll, Lou Williams ( since departed), Elton Brand, Ayon, Bazemore - all were free agent pickups by Danny Ferry. Muscala was a get from trading Shane Larkin. Korver was a strong get for basically cash from the Bulls who couldn't/didn't want to pay him. Dennis Shroeder and Mike Scott were drafted. The book is still out on Walter Tavares and Adrien Payne, but at least they have developmental drafted prospects in the fold.

Kid yourself not, this team exists as as function of the draft and incrementally building through the draft while trying to make solid free agent non Tier 1 pickups. When the team deviated from staying true to the draft, even with some bad years, it cost them. When the Hawks tried to double dip in a draft, it cost them. They got a relatively young well respected GM who had experience in a winning franchise ( Ferry with the Spurs)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/executives/ferryda01x.html

Atlanta Hawks Franchise (June 25, 2012 - September 12, 2014)

June 28, 2012: Selected John Jenkins (1st round, 23rd pick) and Mike Scott (2nd round, 43rd pick) in the 2012 NBA Draft.
July 11, 2012: Traded Marvin Williams to the Utah Jazz for Devin Harris.
July 11, 2012: Traded Joe Johnson to the Brooklyn Nets for Jordan Farmar, Anthony Morrow, Johan Petro, DeShawn Stevenson, Jordan Williams, a 2013 1st round draft pick (Shane Larkin was later selected) and a 2017 2nd round draft pick.
July 12, 2012: Signed Louis Williams as a free agent.
July 12, 2012: Signed Louis Williams as a free agent.
July 16, 2012: Traded cash to the Chicago Bulls for Kyle Korver. Chicago also received a trade exception from Atlanta.
July 30, 2012: Traded Willie Green to the Los Angeles Clippers for Sofoklis Schortsanitis. Atlanta also received a trade exception from Los Angeles.
September 27, 2012: Signed James Anderson as a free agent.
September 27, 2012: Signed Carldell Johnson as a free agent.
September 27, 2012: Signed Keith Benson as a free agent.
September 27, 2012: Signed Damion James as a free agent.
September 27, 2012: Signed Anthony Tolliver as a free agent.
January 21, 2013: Signed Jannero Pargo to the first of two 10-day contracts.
February 21, 2013: Traded cash and future considerations to the Golden State Warriors for Jeremy Tyler.
February 21, 2013: Traded Anthony Morrow to the Dallas Mavericks for Dahntay Jones.
March 6, 2013: Signed Shelvin Mack to two 10-day contracts, then signed to a contract for the rest of the season.
May 28, 2013: Hired Mike Budenholzer as Head Coach.
June 27, 2013: Selected Dennis Schroeder (1st round, 17th pick), Shane Larkin (1st round, 18th pick) and Raul Neto (2nd round, 47th pick) in the 2013 NBA Draft.
June 27, 2013: Traded Shane Larkin and cash to the Dallas Mavericks for Jared Cunningham, Lucas Nogueira and Mike Muscala.
June 27, 2013: Traded Raul Neto to the Utah Jazz for a 2015 2nd round draft pick.
July 10, 2013: Signed Paul Millsap as a free agent.
July 15, 2013: Signed Elton Brand as a free agent.
July 29, 2013: Signed Gustavo Ayon as a free agent.
August 3, 2013: Signed DeMarre Carroll as a free agent.
January 11, 2014: Signed James Nunnally to a 10-day contract.
February 1, 2014: Signed Cartier Martin to a 10-day contract.
February 11, 2014: Signed Cartier Martin to a 10-day contract.
February 20, 2014: Traded Cenk Akyol to the Los Angeles Clippers for Antawn Jamison and cash.
February 21, 2014: Signed Cartier Martin to a contract for the rest of the season.
February 22, 2014: Signed Dexter Pittman to a 10-day contract.
June 26, 2014: Selected Adreian Payne (1st round, 15th pick) and Walter Tavares (2nd round, 43rd pick) in the 2014 NBA Draft.
June 27, 2014: Traded a 2015 2nd round draft pick to the Milwaukee Bucks for Lamar Patterson.
June 29, 2014: Traded Lou Williams and Lucas Nogueira to the Toronto Raptors for John Salmons.
July 15, 2014: Traded Sofoklis Schortsanitis and a trade exception to the Oklahoma City Thunder for Giorgos Printezis, Thabo Sefolosha and cash.

Budenholzer is the main difference in that team IMHO. He has that team playing perfect team - efficient bball.

FistOfOakley wrote:Main thing with the hawks was having horford and believing in teague and not pulling the plug on him too early..

kinda lucky too.

Teague was ours but we insisted on them taking Felton which of course Atlanta said fuk no!

That is one of those trades that you count your lucky stars that you did not make.

Teague is playing off the charts! I credit Budenholzer for the way he is playing.