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6/15/2004  9:47 AM
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6/15/2004  10:41 AM
I have to ask for it to a few guys. I'll check this out.
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6/15/2004  10:44 AM
Insider Special: Mock Draft Update

By Chad Ford
ESPN Insider


With Chicago pre-draft camp is behind us, we can start weeding the field in advance of Thursday's deadline for underclassmen to withdraw from the NBA draft. From what we hear, Martynas Andriuskevicius, Kosta Perovic, Tiago Splitter, Johan Petro, Roko Leni Ukic, Ryan Gomes and Lawrence Roberts, among others, are planning to opt out. So for purposes of this mock, we're leaving them off the list.

The biggest mover this time around is prep point guard Shaun Livingston, whom we have being selected No. 2. If the Clippers don't trade the pick, chances are they'll take someone they can use more than Dwight Howard. If they trade, all bets are off. We should point out, though, that as many teams are trying to trade up for Livingston as they are for Howard.

The other big change is Oregon's Luke Jackson, who cracks the lottery in our projection for the first time after a series of stellar workouts.

# Previous mock drafts: Post-lottery, May 26 | Second look, June 2

1. ORLANDO MAGIC
Emeka Okafor
CONNECTICUT | JUNIOR | FORWARD
HEIGHT: 6-10 | WEIGHT: 257 | AGE: 21

He measured a legit 6-foot-10 with shoes (and had an amazing 7-foot-4 wingspan) in Chicago, quieting critics who claimed he's too small to play center in the league. Now we just need to find out about his back. He claims it hasn't bothered him since before the Final Four. Either the Magic will draft him, or the Bobcats or Bulls will trade up to No. 1 to get him.

Insider scouting report on Emeka Okafor

2. LOS ANGELES CLIPPERS
Shaun Livingston
PEORIA H.S. (ILL.) | GUARD
HEIGHT: 6-7½ | WEIGHT: 186 | AGE: 18

The Clippers are trying to trade down, but if they elect not to, it will be because they've joined the growing throng in the NBA that believes Livingston -- not Howard -- is the best high school player in this draft. He's young, but he fills a need, and in the next two years he easily could become the Clips' best player.

Insider scouting report on Shaun Livingston

3. CHICAGO BULLS
Andre Iguodala
ARIZONA | SOPHOMORE | GUARD
HEIGHT: 6-6¾ | WEIGHT: 217 | AGE: 19

The Bulls like Iguodala, Luol Deng and Josh Childress. However, of those three, Iguodala has the most upside. He's the most athletic, the best defender, a superior passer and may be the most ready to step in and contribute right away.

Insider scouting report on Andre Iguodala

4. CHARLOTTE BOBCATS
Dwight Howard
SW ATLANTA CHRISTIAN H.S. | FORWARD
HEIGHT: 6-10¼ | WEIGHT: 240 | AGE: 18

If Howard goes No. 2, the word out of Charlotte is Josh Childress will go here. However, it's becoming more conceivable that Howard could slip to this spot. If he does, Bernie Bickerstaff, who claims he doesn't really want a high school guy, will have no choice but to select Howard.

Insider scouting report on Dwight Howard

5. WASHINGTON WIZARDS
Luol Deng
DUKE | FRESHMAN | FORWARD
HEIGHT: 6-8 | WEIGHT: 220 | AGE: 19

The Wizards already have more small forwards than any team in the league, but Deng is way ahead of both Jared Jeffries and Jarvis Hayes. They'll also give Childress and Andris Biedrins a long look here.

Insider scouting report on Luol Deng

6. ATLANTA HAWKS
Josh Smith
OAK HILL ACADEMY | FORWARD
HEIGHT: 6-8¼ | WEIGHT: 221 | AGE: 18

The Hawks are working on a trade for this pick with the Clippers. If Atlanta keeps the pick, Smith makes a lot of sense. He's gotten some bad press over the past week, but his big-time athleticism and game will sell some tickets in Atlanta. If the trade happens, and if the Clips get Jason Terry as part of it, they'll likely draft Pavel Podkolzine at this spot. If they pick up Atlanta's extra pick instead, Livingston will be the guy. They need a point guard in the worst way.

Insider scouting report on Josh Smith

7. PHOENIX SUNS
Devin Harris
WISCONSIN | JUNIOR | GUARD
HEIGHT: 6-3 | WEIGHT: 170 | AGE: 20

If Marytnas Andriuskevicius keeps him name in the draft, pencil him in here. If not, the Suns likely will select Harris. Leandrinho Barbosa is more of a combo guard, and it looks like Milos Vujanic might not be coming next season, after all. Besides, Harris is better than both and should be able to step right in and help Phoenix. Is he the next Kevin Johnson?

Insider scouting report on Devin Harris

8. TORONTO RAPTORS
Ben Gordon
CONNECTICUT | JUNIOR | GUARD
HEIGHT: 6-2¼ | WEIGHT: 192 | AGE: 21

The Raptors need a big in the worst way and both Podkolzine and Biedrins are real options here. But I'm not sure new GM Rob Babcock has the stomach to take on a project right now. Gordon's workouts have been lights out. A combo of Gordon and Carter in the backcourt makes a lot of sense.

Insider scouting report on Ben Gordon

9. PHILADELPHIA 76ERS
Josh Childress
STANFORD | JUNIOR | FORWARD
HEIGHT: 6-7¼ | WEIGHT: 196 | AGE: 20

The Bulls, Bobcats and Wizards all love Childress so he could end up going much higher. However, if he does slip, he won't get past Philly. Childress' length, athleticism and great defensive effort are a great fit in Philly.

Insider scouting report on Josh Childress

10. CLEVELAND CAVALIERS
Luke Jackson
OREGON | SENIOR | GUARD
HEIGHT: 6-7 | WEIGHT: 212 | AGE: 22

The Cavs are trying to trade this pick for a veteran small forward who can shoot. The word around the league is they've targeted the Wolves' Wally Szczerbiak. If they can't cut a deal before the draft, look for them to take Jackson. He's been wowing teams in workouts and makes a lot of sense alongside LeBron.

Insider scouting report on Luke Jackson

11. GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS
Pavel Podkolzine
RUSSIA | CENTER
HEIGHT: 7-5 | WEIGHT: 300 | AGE: 19

The reward really starts outweighing the risk if Podkolzine slips this low. There isn't a player on the board worth passing him up for now. The Warriors look like they're losing both Erick Dampier and Adonal Foyle, meaning they'll have a gaping hole to fill in the middle. No one fills it bet than Pavel.

Insider scouting report on Pavel Podkolzine

12. SEATTLE SUPERSONICS
Andris Biedrins
LATVIA | FORWARD
HEIGHT: 6-10 | WEIGHT: 235 | AGE: 18

Biedrins may be slipping just a little bit. He could go as high as Washington at No. 5 or to the Raptors at No. 8, but it's tough to believe he would slip past Seattle here. Biedrins is tall, athletic, plays tough defense and is more ready to play than most Euros. He's already better than any of the three centers in Seattle.

Insider scouting report on Andris Biedrins

13. PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS
Kirk Snyder
NEVADA | JUNIOR | GUARD
HEIGHT: 6-6¾ | WEIGHT: 228 | AGE: 21

Snyder's agent recently canceled his workouts with the Jazz, Celtics and Nuggets. The teams claim Snyder got a promise. His agent cites "scheduling difficulties." Whether there's a promise or not, Snyder's a great fit in Portland. He's a jack of all trades, and the Blazers' backcourt needs someone like that.

Insider scouting report on Kirk Snyder

14. UTAH JAZZ
Sergei Monya
RUSSIA | GUARD
HEIGHT: 6-8 | WEIGHT: 220 | AGE: 20

The Jazz claim they have not made a promise to Monya. Fine. But they still have interest, and the Russian-Marc Fleisher connection is too good to pass up. Besides, Monya is the most NBA-ready Euro in the draft. They'll love him in Utah.

Insider scouting report on Sergei Monya

15. BOSTON CELTICS
Rafael Araujo
BYU | SENIOR | CENTER
HEIGHT: 6-11 | WEIGHT: 280 | AGE: 23

The Celtics want Monya, but it's unlikely he'll get past Utah at No. 14. That means the decision comes down to Araujo, Robert Swift or Peter John Ramos. The Celtics like all three, but after spending an hour talking with Danny Ainge last week, my gut says they'll go with Araujo.

Insider scouting report on Rafael Araujo

16. UTAH JAZZ
Peja Samardziski
MACEDONIA | CENTER
HEIGHT: 7-0 | WEIGHT: 240 | AGE: 17

Ainge gets his revenge for the Jazz taking Monya at 14 by selecting Araujo, the other player Utah has high on its board. The Jazz need some bigs in the worst way, and the best three left are Samardziski, Robert Swift and Peter John Ramos. None are ready to play in the NBA next season. Of the three, Samardziski is the best fit -- a smart basketball player with a great outside touch and a clever game.

Insider scouting report on Peja Samardziski

17. ATLANTA HAWKS
Al Jefferson
PRENTISS H.S. (MISS.) | FORWARD
HEIGHT: 6-9¾ | WEIGHT: 263 | AGE: 18

He measured well in Chicago and has been moving up with some strong workouts over the past few weeks. Jefferson isn't the best athlete in the draft at his size, but he's quick off the floor, has good strength and is as consistent as a high school kid can get. He could do some damage in the paint for the Hawks next season.

Insider scouting report on Al Jefferson

18. NEW ORLEANS HORNETS
J.R. Smith
ST. BENEDICT PREP (N.J.) | GUARD
HEIGHT: 6-6¾ | WEIGHT: 227 | AGE: 18

Allan Bristow claims there's only a 30 percent chance his team would take a high school kid, but I can't see Smith slipping past here. He fills a big need, is an unbelievable athlete, can shoot it and should be a staple in the backcourt with Baron Davis for years.

Insider scouting report on J.R. Smith

19. MIAMI HEAT
Robert Swift
BAKERSFIELD H.S. (CALIF.) | CENTER
HEIGHT: 7-1 | WEIGHT: 260 | AGE: 18

This comes down to a tough decision between Swift and Jameer Nelson. While the Heat are confident they'll get their hands on Mark Blount in free agency, he'll need help. Miami is one of several teams that are very high on Swift, and at No. 19 he's a steal. Nelson also would be a nice fit here, but he's more of a back-up point guard in the league, and the Heat have plenty of those.

Insider scouting report on Robert Swift

20. DENVER NUGGETS
Peter John Ramos
PUERTO RICO | CENTER
HEIGHT: 7-3¼ | WEIGHT: 266 | AGE: 19

There are a number of guys the Nuggets will look at here, but it likely will come down to Ramos or Frenchman Johan Petro. The problem is that Petro is looking for a promise before he commits to staying in the draft. The Nuggets aren't ready to give one, given the draft's volatility. If Petro pulls out, Ramos slips in. He's been dominant in Puerto Rico this spring, and the Nuggets know they need a big guy to replace Marcus Camby when he catches a hangnail (what's the over-under on how many games Camby misses once he signs his new long-term contract?).

Insider scouting report on Peter John Ramos

21. UTAH JAZZ
Kris Humphries
MINNESOTA | FRESHMAN | FORWARD
HEIGHT: 6-9½ | WEIGHT: 238 | AGE: 20

The Jazz took two international players with their first two picks, so look for them to grab at least one American player. Humphries put up huge numbers at Minnesota last season. He can play both the four and the three, giving the Jazz some flexibility down the road.

Insider scouting report on Kris Humphries

22. NEW JERSEY NETS
Jameer Nelson
SAINT JOSEPH'S | SENIOR | GUARD
HEIGHT: 6-0½ | WEIGHT: 199 | AGE: 23

The Nets breathe a big sigh of relief. With Jason Kidd likely to miss the start of the season with knee problems, the Nets need someone who can play now. Nelson will be great in spot-starting duty and a wonderful sub for Kidd down the road.

Insider scouting report on Jameer Nelson

23. PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS
Sebastian Telfair
LINCOLN H.S. (BROOKLYN, N.Y.) | GUARD
HEIGHT: 5-11 | WEIGHT: 170 | AGE: 18

It may be hard to believe that a prospect with such a big shoe contract can slip this far. Telfair very well could go a lot higher, or slip out of the first round completely. There are a lot of different opinions about him. I think this may be the best fit for Telfair, for two reasons. One, the Blazers need help at the point. Damon Stoudamire is in the last year of his contract, and Portland needs to replace him. It gives them a year to ease in Telfair. Two, the Blazers need a boost at the box office, and Telfair, for all of his faults, will provide that.

Insider scouting report on Sebastian Telfair

24. BOSTON CELTICS
Dorell Wright
SOUTH KENT PREP (CT) | FORWARD
HEIGHT: 6-8 | WEIGHT: 215 | AGE: 18

Ainge claims they're looking for a tall wing player, and Wright looks like a good fit. Everyone who sees him play believes Wright has the potential to be a star in the league. It's just going to take a little while for his body to develop.

Insider scouting report on Dorell Wright

25. BOSTON CELTICS
Viktor Khryapa
RUSSIA | FORWARD
HEIGHT: 6-9 | WEIGHT: 235 | AGE: 22

The Celtics wanted Monya but end up with his teammate, Khryapa. At 6-9, he has the ability to play small forward. He's a good shooter, a better than average athlete and uses his long arms to harass opponents on the defensive end. He's another guy who really has helped himself in workouts. Ainge, not wanting three rookies on the roster, likely would leave him in Europe another year or two.

Insider scouting report on Viktor Khryapa

26. SACRAMENTO KINGS
Donta Smith
SOUTHEASTERN ILLINOIS CC | FORWARD
HEIGHT: 6-7 | WEIGHT: 230 | AGE: 20

The Kings are as high on him as anyone. Smith is a big-time athlete with a great NBA body. He was a potent JC scorer and a decent defender. He's a project, but with the team likely losing Gerald Wallace, he's a good replacement.

Insider scouting report on Donta Smith

27. LOS ANGELES LAKERS
Sasha Vujacic
SLOVENIA | GUARD
HEIGHT: 6-7 | WEIGHT: 210 | AGE: 19

Vujacic impressed scouts with his phenomenal shooting touch and extra 15 pounds of muscle in workouts in Chicago. He's not a pure point guard and not the quickest guy in the world, but the way the Lakers play (as long as they keep Shaquille O'Neal, that is) he'll be a great fit planting himself on the NBA 3-point line and waiting for Shaq to kick it out.

Insider scouting report on Sasha Vujacic

28. SAN ANTONIO SPURS
Anderson Varejao
BRAZIL | FORWARD
HEIGHT: 6-10 | WEIGHT: 230 | AGE: 22

The Spurs have loved him for two years, and he's a nice fit in the organization. He's long, athletic, experienced and plays with a ton of energy. He's a guy who can step right in and be a valuable role player coming off the bench.

Insider scouting report on Anderson Varejao

29. INDIANA PACERS
Beno Udrih
SLOVENIA | GUARD
HEIGHT: 6-4 | WEIGHT: 185 | AGE: 22

History says at least one player from the Chicago pre-draft camp makes it into the first round. This year, that guy may be Udrih. He was the best player in the camp last week. At 22, he has more experience than most of the Euros, and he has great size for a point. The Pacers have been following his career closely for several years. With his shooting and experience, he'd be a nice fit in the Pacers' backcourt.

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6/15/2004  10:46 AM
Insider Special: Trade Imminent?

# Chad Ford's mock draft:

CHICAGO -- The only thing NBA scouts and GMs seem to agree on in this draft is that it's turning out to be the craziest and most difficult to predict draft they've ever encountered.

"I think we're all having a tough time trying to get a grasp of what's going on," Celtics VP Danny Ainge told Insider. "I've literally got 50 different contingency plans up in my hotel room that I've been working on. With all of the trades and the parity in this draft, it's maddening trying to get a read on how this draft is going to unfold."

Ainge's sentiment is echoed across the board here. GMs, scouts, even agents say they're growing increasingly nervous as the draft approaches.

It's especially troublesome for agents trying to get first-round promises for their clients. Despite a flurry of rumored promises to prospects ranging from Kirk Snyder to Sebastian Telfair, teams are furiously denying they've made deals.


Danny Ainge has a reputation as a promise-maker, but even he denies any deals have been sealed.
"Why would you make a promise this early?" Suns GM Bryan Colangelo, the patron saint of promises, said. "Until you figure out what the trade value of your pick is, go through the workouts and decide who is and who isn't going to be there, it doesn't make a lot of sense."

Amare Stoudemire and Zarko Carbarkapa -- the last two guys the Suns made promises to -- agree.

Ainge, who quickly picked up a rep as a promise-maker after he sealed up Marcus Banks early in the process last year, laughs at reports he's already locked up half of this year's high school class.

"I read something the other day that said that no one would make a promise this early in the draft unless they were Danny Ainge," Ainge said. "It's pretty easy to get a rep."

For the record, both Colangelo and Ainge deny they've made promises to anyone. That also holds true for Blazers GM John Nash (the Blazers also have a rep for making early promises). The Celtics and Suns still are working out a number of top prospects, lending credence to their claims. Of course, these are the same guys who last year claimed they hadn't made any deals, so take it with a grain of salt.

In fact, a rumor circulated here last night that prep guard Dorrell Wright skipped the Chicago pre-draft camp because the Celtics had made him a guarantee. Wright did have a second workout in Boston this week, and Ainge was raving about him, so ...

Still, there might be some truth to what Ainge, Colangelo and others are saying. Agents say they are finding it tough to secure the promises they're looking for right now. In the past, locking up a commitment from a team to draft a 7-foot international big man like Peja Samardziski would be a piece of cake. This year it hasn't been so easy.

"Making a promise can be a double-edged sword," Ainge said. "You may get the guy that you want, but what if someone comes along a week later that you want more? That's the issue for us this year."

# Speaking of promises, Duke law professor Paul Haagen claims the Wizards told him they'd select Luol Deng with the No. 5 pick if he was still on the board, according to a report in the Raleigh News and Observer. Haagen helped Deng, and other elite Duke athletes, gather information about their draft stock.

# Yet another team -- the Celtics -- is claiming Kirk Snyder's agent recently canceled a workout. That's the Jazz, Celtics and Nuggets in the last week. Either Snyder has a lottery promise, or his agent is delusional.

Trade talk

# Just about everyone assumes the Clippers and Hawks will make some sort of deal to swap the No. 2 pick for the Hawks' No. 6 and No. 16 picks. The Clippers don't need Dwight Howard, and the Hawks need him desperately.

However, there may be a major snag in that deal. Orlando is talking to a lot of teams right now, and several of them would like to trade up to the top spot for Howard, not Emeka Okafor. That's a doomsday scenario for the Hawks and appears to be cooling their willingness to give up both of their picks to the Clippers this early.

The Clippers have been working out the likes of Devin Harris, Shaun Livingston and Ben Gordon of late, giving credence to the idea they'll trade down and take a point guard. But until everyone is sure what Orlando is going to do, finalizing a trade might be tough.

# Bulls GM John Paxson may have several good options in the draft at No. 3 (Andre Iguodala, Luol Deng and Josh Childress come to mind) but don't be surprised if the Bulls end up trading the pick for a real veteran.


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2003-2004 SEASON STATISTICS
GM PPG RPG APG FG% FT%
79 13.3 6.4 1.7 .463 .734
The rumor du jour has the Pacers offering Al Harrington and their first-round pick to the Bulls for the No. 3 pick and Scottie Pippen. The Pacers are anxious to upgrade their backcourt and like several players who should be available, including Livingston, Harris and Iguodala.

While no one is in the business of confirming or denying these types of things, Pacers head man Donnie Walsh had an interesting reaction to the rumor.

"I think we'd at least have to listen to Chicago if they wanted to propose something like that," Walsh told Insider.

While the Pacers are in no hurry to give Harrington away, trading him for some backcourt help makes some sense. Jonathan Bender can step in and provide a lot of the things Harrington did. At some point Bender is just going to have to get more minutes if he's ever going to develop. Second, adding a player with star potential like Livingston, Harris or Iguodala could really provide a missing spark for the Pacers.

For the Bulls, adding Harrington would clear the way to trade Tyson Chandler for another veteran who can contribute right away. It's not an easy decision for either team -- the Bulls really could use a player like Iguodala or Deng, and the Pacers might not be able to afford to add another rookie -- but it also make a ton of sense.

If the teams do pull the trigger, my money's on Livingston to be the Pacers pick. Walsh has shown plenty of patience in the past, and Livingston has the potential to be the best player in the draft.

Workout rumblings

# The Clippers worked out Livingston and Harris separately at Hoops the Gym on Tuesday. Harris shot the ball extremely well in the workout, while Livingston was just so-so on his shooting.


Wisconsin's Devin Harris has shown a deft shooting touch in workouts this week.
What's interesting is neither player will de drafted because of his shooting (though it's a nice bonus). Livingston and Harris are the closest things in the draft to true point guard. One of the drawbacks of individual workouts is they don't measure things like court vision, passing ability, leadership, etc. In effect, Livingston and Harris spent most of the hour-plus workout taking jump shots.

The Clippers ran some drills that tried to replicate passing situations, but they don't come anywhere close to simulating what either kid could do in a game. It's not L.A.'s fault -- workouts simply can't cover everything they need to.

With that said, if the Clippers do trade down in the draft, look for them to choose either Harris or Ben Gordon over Livingston. Coach Mike Dunleavy is looking for an experienced point guard who can shoot the ball. He'd probably prefer and NBA veteran, but if he can't get one, Harris and Gordon both would fit the bill.

# Livingston has another private workout Wednesday with the Bobcats and then a workout for several teams, run by Tim Grover, later in the week. Chances are he'll make his decision about whether to stay in the draft or go to Duke on Saturday.


Some scouts believe the 6-foot-7 Smith could be a point-forward in the league.
# The big workout of the afternoon took place at the Lakeshore Athletic Club, where junior college star Donta Smith auditioned before 60 or so NBA scouts and GMs. Smith has garnered quite a buzz over the past few weeks after a few strong workouts.

Smith has a great body, NBA athleticism and a pretty well-rounded game. Unfortunately he was surrounded in the workout by guys who have zero shot of getting drafted, making it very difficult to gauge exactly how good he is.

He dominated the guys he played against, showing quickness, aggressiveness on defense and a decent jumper, but it was pretty tough to contextualize what we saw.

Still, you can understand why teams are interested. Several teams -- including the Kings, Suns, Celtics and Hawks -- have shown enough interest to make some think Smith could slip into the late first round.

"We like him," said Jerry Reynolds, the Kings director of player personnel. "We certainly feel he is a draftable player. I think he certainly should be in the top 35-40 players drafted, in my opinion."

# SFX is holding a big workout today at Hoops the Gym for several of their top international players, including Ha Seung Jin, Sasha Vujacic and Roko Leni Ukic.

In and out


As expected, Andriuskevicius is leaning more and more toward pulling out of the draft.
# Martynas Andriuskevicius likely will pull out of the draft, according to his agent. Herb Rudoy told Insider it's pretty unlikely he'll get the top-five promise he's looking for. Only one team, the Suns at No. 7, have interest in drafting Andriuskevicus and allowing him to remain overseas another year. However, the Suns promised him nothing, and Rudoy won't leave Andriuskevicius in the draft without a promise. If he's still in the draft after the deadline, you pretty much know where you can pencil him in.

Andriuskevicius, by the way, was awesome on the last day of the Reebok Eurocamp. After several marginal performances there, he got angry and aggressive and scored a camp high 20 points and grabbed 8 rebounds -- finally showing all the things scouts love about him.

# Brazilian Tiago Splitter also is on the fence at the moment. He's in Chicago and will be working out at Hoops the Gym on Friday. Rudoy, his agent, is looking for a promise in the lottery.

# One international kid to keep an eye on is Marcin Gortat, a 7-foot, 20-year-old from Poland. In the last two days of the Eurocamp, Gortat began dominating the competition with a potent combination of toughness and surprising athleticsm for a guy his size.

Coming into the camp, scouts weren't that high on him. But based on what they saw those last two days, many of them claim his rapid improvement over the last year makes him a legit NBA prospect.

There's a good chance Gortat, who plays for Rhein Energie Cologne in Germany, might pull out of the draft and resubmit next year, but after some of the buzz I heard from Treviso over the weekend, I wouldn't be shocked if he stayed in this year. If he does, he should be a lock for the first round.


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Insider Special: Dwight Howard.

By Chad Ford
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# Ford's NEW mock draft: Standard version | Slideshow version

CHICAGO -- In a draft most GMs believe will be the most unpredictable in NBA history, Dwight Howard is a rare commodity. He's a true believer.


Howard could become the second consecutive high schooler taken No. 1 overall.
"I know I'll be the No. 1 pick," Howard told Insider on Friday morning. "Teams want the next KG. You're looking at him."

Are we?

For the past six months, NBA scouts have claimed this year's draft is a two horse race between Howard and Emeka Okafor.

By now you know what Okafor can do. The burly, 6-foot-10 power player carried UConn to a national championship on a weary back in front of millions of college basketball fans.

Okafor represents everything the NBA draft used to be. He's mature, physically strong, and he's not afraid of a little contact. He's a tireless worker with intense focus. He's a warrior. And, most importantly, he's a winner.

Who is Howard? Insider spent Friday morning in Hoops the Gym and got an exclusive look at Howard working out with trainer Tim Grover.

Howard represents everything the NBA draft has become -- for better and for worse.

The Kid

The off-court Dwight Howard we have a pretty good handle on.

Howard has made his faith his signature, openly talking about how he wants the NBA to have a cross on its logo someday. By all accounts, he's a good kid from a good home, with an attentive father shepherding him through an otherwise treacherous process.

Howard wears braces that glimmer every time he flashes his wide smile. He blushes when his family teases him about taking Candace Parker to his high school prom. His eyes get wide when he talks about how his life has changed since being anointed the best high school player and NBA draft prospect in the country.

"Everywhere I go, people recognize me now," Howard said with a sheepish grin. "I guess I'm kind of popular or something. It's kind of cool."

Photo shoots. Shoe deals. Interviews. Workouts. Sleeping. This is the life of an 18-year-old blessed with a basketball gift.

He still gets up at 5 a.m. each day to work out at his high school. He runs the track. At night he's back in the gym shooting, he says, 1,000 shots a night.

On the weekends, he tries to find time to travel to Chicago to work out with Grover. When I saw him Friday, it was just his fourth session with Grover in the past six weeks.

Howard is a confident young man who believes he's ready for the NBA.

"[Okafor] may have more experience at a higher level," Howard said. "He may be more ready physically. But give me three years of the same weight training he's had, and I'll be just as big. I've been playing just as long as he has. I've been playing since I was two. Mentally and spiritually, I'm ahead of everyone."

The Player

On the court, Howard is more of an enigma. He was anointed the heir to LeBron's throne sometime last summer. He dominated the Adidas ABCD camp and won top honors at the Player's Association Top 100 Camp in Richmond, Va. His AAU team, the Atlanta Celtics, was the most talented in years, with three legitimate NBA prospects (Howard, Josh Smith and Randolph Morris).


Howard's draft stock has been rising fast since last summer.
During the season, Howard averaged 25.5 points, 18.7 rebounds and 8 blocks -- impressive numbers.

He's 6-foot-10 in shoes, can play both inside and outside, has a decent handle for a big man and he's a big-time athlete with explosive jumping skills. On the court, scouts have struggled to find any real weaknesses in his game.

Weeks into the season, scouts were laying it on thick. He's the next Kevin Garnett. No, he's the next Tim Duncan. Wait, maybe he's a mixture of both, they gushed. He was everything to everyone.

Scouts turned their heads when he struggled in a few big games. He was outplayed by AAU teammate Randolph Morris in a high school game on ESPN. At a big tournament at UCLA, Sebastian Telfair's team dismantled Howard's.

Still, most scouts agree Howard has the most upside of anyone in the draft and is worthy of being a No. 1 pick.

After the season, he was co-MVP of the McDonald's All-American game and MVP at the Jordan Capital Classic. Then he disappeared from public view until Thursday afternoon, when he showed up to work out with Grover.

Right now, he still doesn't have a workout scheduled with an NBA team. His agent, Aaron Goodwin, balked at having him come in on Friday to work out with the Magic. The Magic wanted Okafor to come in that morning. Howard was supposed to come in that evening. The team knew neither agent would agree to a head-to-head matchup. Having them come in on the same day, at different times, was as close as they were going to get.

Goodwin balked. "That won't happen. Okafor needs to have his day, and Dwight needs to have his."

Howard will work out for the Magic -- probably early next week. But like Okafor and Shaun Livingston, he'll do it alone.

Training Day

My day with Howard started at 8 a.m. Friday. It was supposed to be Thursday, but Howard had a stiff back (somewhere, Okafor is smiling) after the plane ride and shut down his workout after about 15 minutes of shooting. He spent the evening getting a massage and was raring to go Friday morning.

Over the course of the last two months, I've watched almost every top draft prospect go through one of these workouts. Workouts like these do little to measure basketball IQ, decision-making under pressure, physical toughness or defensive ability, but they do reveal a player's ability to perform athletically when fatigued. These workouts typically last an hour and ratchet up in intensity as they go on. The shots Howard will make at the beginning aren't nearly as important as the one's he'll attempt at the end, when he's tired.


Howard's workout confirmed his explosiveness but also his inconsistent shot.
Howard begins by running from elbow to elbow, catching and shooting for about five minutes. He has the rep as a good, but not great, perimeter shooter, and that basically held true throughout the workout. He didn't shoot the ball as well as Shaun Livingston, Devin Harris, Luol Deng or Andre Iguodala -- the other lottery picks I saw in Grover's gym -- but he shot it well enough for a 6-10 kid.

One interesting thing about Howard's shot -- and something that would plague him throughout the workout -- was his inconsistency. He never seemed to shoot it exactly the same way twice. Sometimes his shot would have a great arc to it. Other times it was totally flat. The release point on his jumper from the mid-range area is about at his chin -- a no-no in the NBA. Coaches like players to release the ball above their heads to prevent the shot from being blocked. Howard's shot release got higher the farther he moved from the basket, and his form looked pretty good as he got out around the college 3-point line. He gets great elevation on his shot, no matter where he shoots it.

Despite his daily 5 a.m. workouts, Howard is in just so-so shape compared to the other guys in the gym. He takes frequent breaks for water and seems tired early.

After a few shooting drills, Grover begins working on Howard's post moves. Again, Howard's inconsistency is apparent. At times he gets great position, widening his base and making explosive moves to the basket. Other times he stands straight up, looks a little stiff, and can't finish the same way.

Howard takes two dribbles into the paint and finishes with his left hand. When he gets close to the basket, he takes off like a rocket and rattles the rim. He goes through the drill 10 times and rocks the gym each time. This is Howard's biggest appeal. His explosiveness in the paint is outstanding for someone his size. But will he have the physical strength to get that type of position in the pros? If he does, watch out. At times Howard tends to get a bit robotic in his moves, prompting Grover to yell, "No robots allowed."

Howard's ball-handling is pretty good for a kid his size, as well. I've seen 6-10 Euros who can handle the ball better, but as far as American big guys go, he's near the top of the heap. He goes through several drills where he handles two balls and sprints up and down the floor. He fumbles several times, but again, for a guy his size, he did pretty well.

As the workout goes on, Howard, despite being exhausted, shows some real resilience. With Grover egging him on, he keeps pushing and pushing. For someone who's been accused of not having the toughness to make it in the league, the way he fought through the workout was pretty impressive.

He finishes shooting from the college 3-point line. Grover wants him to make five 3s from five different spots on the floor. He finishes 25 of 54 from behind the college arc -- not bad for a big man.

Tough Enough?

After the workout, Howard lifts weights for about 30 minutes, then answers the biggest questions about his game.

For the past few months, several scouts and a few GMs have questioned Howard's heart. He's a nice kid with a great background who can, on occasion, coast through games. Is he just not being challenged? Does he not care? Is his work ethic a problem? Is he tough enough to make it in the league?

For all the KG and TD comparisons, another one comes to mind too -- Kwame Brown. Like Howard, Brown had great stats at a small, southern high school, had wonderful athletic ability for his size, was an accomplished ball-handler and perimeter player and dominated the high school all-star games.

“ Just because I'm nice, doesn't mean I'm not competitive. Nothing has come easy to me. ... I can be a killer when the time calls for it. I hate to lose. ”
— Howard
What Brown lacked (and still is missing) was a killer instinct -- the drive that pushes him both on and off the court to be his very best. It's almost impossible for a player to succeed in the NBA without it. Talent will get you into the league. Heart and a raging fire in your belly determine whether you'll be a star. Howard takes offense at the questions.

"Just because I'm nice, doesn't mean I'm not competitive," Howard told Insider. "Nothing has come easy to me. They triple-teamed me every game in high school. I can be a killer when the time calls for it. I hate to lose."

That's nice to hear, but saying it is different than displaying it. Okafor has done that for three years. LeBron James did it for two years in high school, never letting up on an opponent.

Brown once told Michael Jordan he'd never regret taking him No. 1. The decision to draft Brown cost MJ his job. Howard clearly has the potential to be in the same category as a Duncan, but will he realize that potential? And if so, when?

“ Anyone who is trying to make those comparisons now is fooling themselves. He could be the next KG in five years. He could be the next Kwame. I don't care what people say. No one knows. It's up to him. ”
— NBA team executive
"We put way too much pressure on these young kids," one NBA executive said. "The comparisons to guys like that -- MVPs -- is ridiculous. Dwight Howard is who he is. He's a good prospect, but he's done nothing to prove that he can be great. Garnett hadn't either when he came into the league. Garnett had to prove a million skeptics wrong. Nothing should be handed to Howard because he happens to be a great high school player. Anyone who is trying to make those comparisons now is fooling themselves. He could be the next KG in five years. He could be the next Kwame. I don't care what people say. No one knows. It's up to him."

Another GM was even more to the point.

"There's a lot of ifs to his game right now," the GM told Insider. "A lot of ifs. If he gets stronger. If he works hard. If he develops a clear position. If he gets a killer instinct. If he lands on the right team. If. If. If. LeBron didn't have any of those ifs. Neither did Duncan. Still you've got to consider him for the No. 1 pick, because all of those ifs, if they pan out, add up to one helluva player. But this is what we've come to -- trying to project what a good, but not great, high school player will become in the NBA."

Is he No. 1?

If it sounds like some aren't totally sold on Howard, it's because they're not. Likewise, there are some who feel Okafor is just an average NBA power forward, and who see Luol Deng as a Shane Battier-type role player.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. So how did Okafor and Howard end up as the "consensus" No. 1 players in the draft?

“ Once the buzz is out there and everyone claims a guy is a star, we're often too quick to get in line. It's burned us before, and it could end up doing it again. ”
— NBA team executive
"We're really bad about that," one NBA executive told Insider. "We're a little like lemmings. Once the buzz is out there and everyone claims a guy is a star, we're often too quick to get in line. It's burned us before, and it could end up doing it again. With this draft, the guys we're talking about at six or seven may deserve the No. 1 pick more than Howard. He's up there because he's big, but I'm not sure he's the best player on the board."

He may be right. Livingston, another high school question mark, at least has proven he has the head to be a star. If his body ever develops (something NBA teams have much more control over), he could be the best player in the draft class.

Andre Iguodala, Ben Gordon, Devin Harris, Josh Childress, Luol Deng and Luke Jackson all have done it on the college level and could give the teams that draft them an immediate return. All five have a chance to be All-Stars.

But with the exception of Livingston, none has a realistic shot at superstardom. Howard does. It's why teams are willing to take the risk.

At the end of the day, a GM tries to hit a home run with the No. 1 pick. A solid double rarely does it these days.

Howard has faith he some day can lead a team to the promised land. All it takes is one GM to agree.

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6/15/2004  1:00 PM
what are people's feelings about Isiah getting into this draft? When he made the KVH trade I was 100% convinced that a) he liked TT better than KVH and b) he had every intention of getting Nazr and using him for trade bait. I'm not even going to bother with trade scenarios but you have to think something might be cooking, especially considering how quiet its been.
I wonder who Isiah has on the radar. Ford seems to think Blount is a shoe in for the Heat which would make them very tough. I thought Blount would be a good fit for the kind of team we have right now.

Thoughts?
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6/15/2004  1:06 PM
I didn't realize just how well Blount was doing at the second half of the season. I think he averaged like 11 rebounds. Fishmike, I've only seen him play a couple of times (I didn't get much time to watch bball this season, or any sports for that matter). How is his defense?

He seems like he can hit his free throws as well, so he probably has that alright mid range J. Maybe he would be the type of guy that can play the pick and roll with Marbury.

You think we can get him cheaper than the MLE? Or maybe, we can split it between him and Chris Anderson, or something like that?
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6/15/2004  1:07 PM
BTW, thank for the articles Raven
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6/15/2004  1:11 PM
Blount is an excellent low post defender, very physical, not afraid to bang down low & fight for rebounds...plus he blocks shots...he's the perfect solution if you can get him w/the MLE, because Nazr is not the defensive player this team needs & not enough of a consistent scorer to offset his defensive inadequacies...& KT is floating more & more outside of the paint on offense because he's not athletic enough to finish close to the basket, so he resorts to the midrange jumper all the time...it's a good shot for him, but we need someone who will play in the paint & do the dirty work down low...KT does less & less of that the past couple seasons i've noticed.
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6/15/2004  1:24 PM
pretty much everything we already know to bad no isiah wants the 10th pick or anything:>(
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6/15/2004  1:50 PM
Yea I would be happy if we can get either Dampier or Blount for the MLE, that would definitely be an upgrade at the C position and it would it help us out defensively (which we need especially if Isiah trades for Rahim). If the price is not too steep I would like to see Isiah get into the draft (perhaps using Nazr as fishmike suggested). I think there is a lot of talent in this year's draft and I would love for us to get a first rounder (probably around the 20-25 range). Briggs has been suggesting for awhile that we make an attempt at Josh Smith, who I would love to get, however, I doubt that we can get him without paying a steep price. I think Josh will definitely be a top 10 pick and I think the Hawks will pick him at 6 if they cannot move up to get Howard.
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6/15/2004  1:52 PM
BTW ty Raven for posting the articles, they have some good info
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6/15/2004  2:01 PM
Briggs, what makes you think Isiah doesnt want in the draft? When you see what Pho did its pretty clear Isiah needed to include our #1 to get the Marbury trade done. When you see him do things like take Sweetney and Marbury to playoff games its pretty clear he's into the teaching aspect and values young players.

We may just be a year away from being able to effectively use the draft because of all the contracts we have, but he's said point blank the Knicks have been VERY active scouting.
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I am sure that isaih has his eye on a sleeper, the fred Jones pick with indiana was a suprise, but I think Fred is going to be a nice player.... I think IT has his eyes on some kid and a trade of some sort won't suprise me..
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Posted by tkf:

I am sure that isaih has his eye on a sleeper, the fred Jones pick with indiana was a suprise, but I think Fred is going to be a nice player.... I think IT has his eyes on some kid and a trade of some sort won't suprise me..

Thats a scenario I wish for the knicks and for Isiah to do. THe real mark he will make is not thru trades, but finding the gems in the rough and polishing them.
raven--do you have any espn insider stuff on the draft at all? if you do and dont mind

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