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milos not coming to america next year (no to suns?)
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Caseloads
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6/14/2004  7:59 PM
from ESPN Insider "If Marytnas Andriuskevicius keeps him name in the draft, pencil him in here. If not, the Suns likely will select Harris. Leandrinho Barbosa is more of a combo guard, and it looks like Milos Vujanic might not be coming next season, after all. Besides, Harris is better than both and should be able to step right in and help Phoenix. Is he the next Kevin Johnson?"

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6/14/2004  8:04 PM
milos is the man. he's doing the right thing. everyone can CLEARLY see that the nba isn't ready for him. he's giving us all a couple more years to catch up. we should be ready for him...when he's 30. what a joke.
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6/14/2004  8:17 PM
Milos is the Frederic Weiss of Euro PG's
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6/14/2004  8:22 PM
Posted by TMS:

Milos is the Frederic Weiss of Euro PG's

No wonder the Knicks picked him I guess getting rid of him wasn't so bad afterall....
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6/14/2004  9:02 PM
hahahaahhahahahaha

Man, that sure was a rape of the Knicks when they gave a "two future allstars in Vujanic and Lampe". What a joke. The Marbury trade is looking better and better every day.
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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6/14/2004  11:10 PM
Somebody needs to tell milos that Laydog is not Gm of the Suns!
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6/14/2004  11:16 PM
honestly... why should milos come to the NBA? he'd have to play more games against tougher comp, get paid less, and live a worse lifestyle than the european (italian) superstar lifestyle, and play much much less. would you give up superstardom in europe and bigger contracts in europe to be a minimum wage NBA rookie trying to make it in the league? he's making million of dollars now in europe... it would not be the same in the NBA probably, definitely less prestige for him.

again, why come here?
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6/14/2004  11:20 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Somebody needs to tell milos that Laydog is not Gm of the Suns!

hahahah.. what is funny is that the suns said they are looking for a center and many were saying that lampe was supposed to be their center of the future and now milos..LOL!!!!!!hahahah
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6/15/2004  8:28 AM
Posted by Caseloads:

honestly... why should milos come to the NBA? he'd have to play more games against tougher comp, get paid less, and live a worse lifestyle than the european (italian) superstar lifestyle, and play much much less. would you give up superstardom in europe and bigger contracts in europe to be a minimum wage NBA rookie trying to make it in the league? he's making million of dollars now in europe... it would not be the same in the NBA probably, definitely less prestige for him.

again, why come here?

I am in agreement here. I don't know why there is so much flack over Milos NOT coming to the NBA.

Should we be OK with Europeans sending hateful messages to Fredy Adu (a little of a stretch point) for not playing soccer in football's Mecca? No.

Milos has made personal decision and just because he chooses to stick to his guns and not play in the top league in the world does not mean we should hate him.
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6/15/2004  9:19 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Caseloads:

honestly... why should milos come to the NBA? he'd have to play more games against tougher comp, get paid less, and live a worse lifestyle than the european (italian) superstar lifestyle, and play much much less. would you give up superstardom in europe and bigger contracts in europe to be a minimum wage NBA rookie trying to make it in the league? he's making million of dollars now in europe... it would not be the same in the NBA probably, definitely less prestige for him.

again, why come here?

I am in agreement here. I don't know why there is so much flack over Milos NOT coming to the NBA.

Should we be OK with Europeans sending hateful messages to Fredy Adu (a little of a stretch point) for not playing soccer in football's Mecca? No.

Milos has made personal decision and just because he chooses to stick to his guns and not play in the top league in the world does not mean we should hate him.
thank goodness lampe and milos were traded... who knows when those guys will be players... plus we dumped dice and eisley on them, and ward, all players that had no future here. if we could have only gotten rid of shandon, seriously.
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6/15/2004  9:20 AM
If Milos has the self-confidence and ability to become a star, the amount of money he would make here is far more than what he'd make in Europe.
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6/15/2004  9:28 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Caseloads:

honestly... why should milos come to the NBA? he'd have to play more games against tougher comp, get paid less, and live a worse lifestyle than the european (italian) superstar lifestyle, and play much much less. would you give up superstardom in europe and bigger contracts in europe to be a minimum wage NBA rookie trying to make it in the league? he's making million of dollars now in europe... it would not be the same in the NBA probably, definitely less prestige for him.

again, why come here?

I am in agreement here. I don't know why there is so much flack over Milos NOT coming to the NBA.

Should we be OK with Europeans sending hateful messages to Fredy Adu (a little of a stretch point) for not playing soccer in football's Mecca? No.

Milos has made personal decision and just because he chooses to stick to his guns and not play in the top league in the world does not mean we should hate him.

true, he has his reasons for his choice but if it's about playing basketball at the highest level against the best players in the world, then he's taking the easy way out.
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6/15/2004  9:38 AM
I guess he wants to be the BIG FISH in the little pond than a small fish in the ocean.
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6/15/2004  10:08 AM
Milos had a very good year at the elite level of play in europe. His team went to the championship game and he elevated his game.

His stats show more of a shooting guard than the point, and he is undersized at the 2 in the NBA.

He is no Fred Weis, and he is making over 2million with huge tax benefits.

The sour grapes here is silly and sophmoric. Now we know why he was a second round pick and was a throw in for Marbury.

Comments on lampe are just plain silly.

Meanwhile, we have not really accomplished all that much either in the short run either. Time will tell the truth eventually.
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6/15/2004  10:17 AM
Hold on a minute, are you telling me that 2 mil a year with tax benefits is better than making 7 mil a year? That is Bs. A player with the talent that Milos is supposed to have could easily be a 4-7 mil per year player when you look at all the money some of these scrubs are getting, plus the chance at endorsements and truly taking your skill to the highest level, is 2 mil per year better than that? I don't think so, hey if he loves europe and wants to stay there then fine, but I thought all competitive athletes want to prove themself on the highest levels......
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6/15/2004  10:41 AM
Do you really think the Suns are going to start Milos out a 4M to 7M a year?
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6/15/2004  11:46 AM
Posted by Andrew:

Do you really think the Suns are going to start Milos out a 4M to 7M a year?

of course not but he will have the same status that ginobili had where he can sign as a FA basically, play a year or 2, and if he is what people think he is, then he can cash in on a big deal. I mean there is no reason why ginobili won't get 4-7m this comming contract.... Milos could be in that same boat, if he is the real deal....
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6/15/2004  11:59 AM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by Andrew:

Do you really think the Suns are going to start Milos out a 4M to 7M a year?

of course not but he will have the same status that ginobili had where he can sign as a FA basically, play a year or 2, and if he is what people think he is, then he can cash in on a big deal. I mean there is no reason why ginobili won't get 4-7m this comming contract.... Milos could be in that same boat, if he is the real deal....
first of all, when he signed with skipper, he said he'd stay there two years. he knew he needed to work on his game, so why work on it here from the bench? and the fact that his stats look more like SG than PG is because 1) in europe they award assists differently than here, 2) he does what his team needs him to do - run the offense and score points - which is what star players do, carry their teams when the team needs that. secondly, $2 million USD in europe, living in europe probably goes farther than $4 million USD living in Phx/ America. It's Milos's choice to stay there... he's competing on an extremely high level, and he probably loves living in europe and probably doesnt want to rush to leave all of that behind to start over in a new country.

All of that being said, the suns probably wouldnt have much money to offer milos this year since they are under the cap, want to make a run at a max money player and since they are under the cap do NOT have the mid-level exception to give milos some of that. So milos is better playing out his contract in europe (1 more year), he's still young, and coming to the suns when they are willing to offer him a 3 year contract at 3+ mil per year probably.

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6/15/2004  12:00 PM
also, good thing we got marbury when we did...

Lampe, Milos and the two first rounders we gave up were not going to do anything significant for at least 3 years for us.
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6/15/2004  12:04 PM
Posted by tkf:

of course not but he will have the same status that ginobili had where he can sign as a FA basically, play a year or 2, and if he is what people think he is, then he can cash in on a big deal. I mean there is no reason why ginobili won't get 4-7m this comming contract.... Milos could be in that same boat, if he is the real deal....

I don't know if that is reasonable. The Suns are not going to want to sign him to a 1 or 2 year deal. Most likely a 3 year so they can have his bird rights and RFA rights. And those 2 or 3 years are going to be at a price of not very much more than a unproven 2nd round pick. Maybe the Suns give in and give him a bit more money because of his Eupoean experience, but it is not going to be much over 1M a year. Thats has Milos losing $3M over then next 3 years at the very least.

Yeah, he could make it up with a big contract later on but its his risk to take.
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