fishmike wrote:I dont have an opinion, or rather I am undecided. I think Jose has a skill set, but that skill set requires some pieces around him to impact the game as Nalod mentioned in Dallas. Im pretty down on THjr as most know. I see him as bench scorer and an 8th or 9th guy. You will get some 25 minute games from him where he drops 15+ and hits some big shots and you will have some 10 minute games where he goes 1-7 and you yank him until next time. Ultimately if doesnt expand his game he wont make it past his rookie conract in the league

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Bonn1997 wrote:I've been wondering this too. I would. It sucks that it came to this. We already gave up Tyson to get him and now we'll have to give up assets to get rid of him! But it basically boils down to whether you think we should be able to get better production out of $9 mil in FA signings this off-season (the amount that TH and Calderon take up). I think we should be able to.

in no way should "what we gave up for......." be a basis for trading or not. The basis is the talent discussed.

Its like "I paid $75 for a stock and Im not selling it for anything less". There are fundamentals to that of course but a player like a stock valuations can change on many things, like an injury.

There are exceptions like with Melo, who is still seemingly healthy when he was signed last summer. Getting him depleted our asset base at the time, so letting him walk was problematic to that, and maybe the intangible that would be Dolans ego if he walked.

Melo can request a trade, and maybe we get back 65 cents on the dollar but we had him for 4 seasons. The wins and losses don't really matter on his depreciation.

We heard fans flamer about not getting more back for Shump as he cost us a 17th place in a first round. He would not command that.

OKC had a better offer on the table last year as his contract and upside was still more appealing. What we don't know is how protected that pick would be. The one they gave cleveland was pretty detailed and could desolve into 2nd round pick(s).

Given the CBA, those are valuable assets too!!

StarksEwing1 wrote:I still dont get why Phil wanted him to begin with. I mean he as always been more of a shooter but he is also 33 with multiple years left. Dallas really wanted Tyson back and he was coming off a bad season. I would ave been happ just getting larkin and a couple of 2nd rounders but now phil added more unecessary salary

Salary had to match. Tyson made 14mil.
Jose played very well last year. His skill set in the triangle could provide value.

The big "IF" was Bargnani would/could thrive in the triangle. If so, it helps Melo. If those two are playing well together, Jose has lots of room to be Jose.

Got to look at the decision at the moment it was made thru the eyes of the GM and what the concept was anticipated. Hindsight gives you clarity to see mistakes.

Its all based on percentages and luck. Bargnani fall with his elbow was a freak event. Summer before he had Pneumonia so he was slow coming in last year.

Im not saying I loved the trade for him but one has to look at his potential at the time, nature of his injuries and if we succeed the pick is really not that valuable. I don't understand not protecting it because if the nature of valuation of the pick becomes inverted if its a bad trade for us. the More we suck, the better the pick for the other team. Eddy Curry trade was the worst example. Players don't come with Warranties.

franco12 wrote:can we bring in better players in free agency for their cap space?

I'm not sure we can - we have questions about the kind of players we'll be able to add after this disaster of a season.

Are we going to be settling for 2nd tier players already? I worry we will.

2nd tier with potential is better than 2nd tier that are dysfuncitional in our objective.
2nd tier quality can be traded as assets. They are attractive commodities.

But clearing out stale players we also bring in potential. Galloway might not be Linsanity but he could become a tier two type player.
To stay or as a trade asset.

We are creating opportinity. We can only undo the past by moving forward. Can't keep players because of the price we paid to get them. That is not reality.
"Ignorance breeds fear" Don't worry about what WON"T happen. WE are all ignorant by the way to the future. If management is fearful (as they have been) they prevented much opportunity.

Sure we might not get the no. 1 pick who could be a sure thing. BUt if we don't rebuild we will never get an opportunity.
What if we don't get the top pick? We have an opportunity to draft someone who actually might be better?
Jordan was taken 3rd! Durant Second. Lillard 8th, Amare 9th, etc etc...........
Maybe we wiff on the pick? That could happen.