$5,510,640 - Year 1

$5,758,680 - Year 2

$6,006,600 - Year 3

$7,574,322 - Year 4

2nd overall pick makes

$4,930,560 - Year 1

$5,152,440 - Year 2

$5,374,320 - Year 3

$6,782,392 - Year 4

Lets say we happen to win the balls and win PICKS 1 or PICK 2, it is a big difference with a PG and PF/C
But would CA really be okay with our ability to contend depending mainly of a rookie ability to develop, which would take 2 years if we are VERY LUCKY to contribute at a high and consistent level?

1- Would CA demand us to either trade him to a contender?

or

2- For us to do what Cleveland tried to with Kevin Love, to trade for a PROVEN STAR?

We all much remember that we have limited $$$$ to spend to begin with, every milion/contract making a difference, a reason why we did not extend the possiblity of keeping Larkin for a 3rd year to save 1m?
Well we would have $5m less to work with if we decided to develop the rookie

3- Would Muddiay attract any ALL STAR to come over with the way we look now?
4- Would OK4 or Karl Town's attract another STAR to come over?

5- Would any talents come at a discount?

6- Should we considering trading the pick down to another team, with other team's making a bidding war for a TOP Pick
There are plenty of teams that have many picks in this draft and future picks as well
With this one PICK, we have the ability to regain A LOT OF PICKS AND TALENTS in this draft and in future drafts....
Possibly some nice young pieces as well, like with Boston Kelly Olynicks and multiple draft picks in this draft and future drafts in both 1st and 2nd rounders
Some other teams include Philly (MCW/WROTEN), Sun's (Dragic), Bobcats, Bulls, Houston

7- Now Lets go back to question 1...

What if Houston offered us a great package for CA, while giving us some young players and many draft picks?
We could walk away with about as many draft picks Philly/Boston has been saving up for the past couple of years with these 2 moves....

We focus on building culture with new young hungry players and mold them without their bad habits, while waiting till 2017 to make a push at ALL STAR's when we have developed all these young guys/core to play with and probably will even have extra assets we could continually use to rotate/stash talent in Europe, like all these other teams are doing...

Who knows if CA will break down from 1year, 2year, 3years, or less down the road from now...
I don't believe CA or any FA's will be looking to come next summer even if we got the #1 overall pick, given our circumstances
However, in 2 years, if our young guys talents that could be comparable to Andre Drummond, Tyson Chandler, Greg Monroe, Rasheed Wallace, Jeff Green, Tony Wroten

As picks 10 and higher, we will have a lot of cap space, where we could have used to accumlate talent over the years and develop chemistry with but save enough for ALL STAR's like

Durant, Noah, Lebron, and a decent FA class 0f 2017

1- I am not saying I have the answer but if this is certainly one possibility and it goes back to CA's willingness to wait it out
2- And if a team like Houston would give us an offer that we would have trouble refusing for CA and CA interest in joining a contender like Houston where there is also NO STATE TAX
3- If we can create a bidding war if we win a TOP 2 pick that these teams with multiple draft picks can give us a great offer for multiple draft picks/and or young talent

Would it really even be considered a rebuild? Given that it is only taking 1.5years of our time?
I am sure as fans, the Garden will still sell out and would accept that over the STARPHUCKING because we have a chance to build a dynasty over a a 1 year ChampionShip Run
If this happens, Phil Jackson would have been worth EVERY PENNY, changing the way we mortgage our future for a short term fix and fail epically
We are talking about literally getting back all the draft picks we ever traded and by the time the new CBA takes place, we will have enough money to still sign 3 STAR's!

BRIGGS wrote:I wouldnt trade pick 1 under any circumstance ZERO. This team and franchise needs a drafted building block. I would not trade the 1st pick even for Lebron--thats how high I am on Okafor. Okafor to me represents 15 years of winning Pick 2(probably zero as well) or 3/ it would have to be a king's ransom. I do not think the NY Knicks are going to base even a scintilla of thought process on how Carmelo Anthony thinks we should proceed. By the way I think the Cavs fcked up by trading what couldve been Jabari Parker for Love. We cant assume Parker wouldve been hurt but having Parker at a cost restricted level by himself is superior to Kevin Love's over rated play and contract. Trading a high pick for an established player has been brutal for the Knicks. I'd say its time to start rethinking how we build the team. I think pick 1 and 2 are probably set in stone to be Okafor and Towns. The Knicks need a foundational big player.

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I wouldnt trade pick 1 under any circumstance ZERO. This team and franchise needs a drafted building block. I would not trade the 1st pick even for Lebron--thats how high I am on Okafor. Okafor to me represents 15 years of winning Pick 2(probably zero as well) or 3/ it would have to be a king's ransom. I do not think the NY Knicks are going to base even a scintilla of thought process on how Carmelo Anthony thinks we should proceed. By the way I think the Cavs fcked up by trading what couldve been Jabari Parker for Love. We cant assume Parker wouldve been hurt but having Parker at a cost restricted level by himself is superior to Kevin Love's over rated play and contract. Trading a high pick for an established player has been brutal for the Knicks. I'd say its time to start rethinking how we build the team. I think pick 1 and 2 are probably set in stone to be Okafor and Towns. The Knicks need a foundational big player.

The Cavs are an example of how hard it is to turn around a bad team. Adding Lebron and Love to a .400 team only brings you to .600. What does that tell you about our sub .200 team?!
Wiggins numbers are terrible right now in Minnesota. He may someday be a good player but Lebron will be very old by then. Keeping the two together didn't make sense. They still have a long way to go if they want to bring the team up from .600 to .750 though.

The Spurs went from a.244 win% in 1996 to having 17 straight winning seasons at an avg of .700 ball and 5 championships. If you get the right player in the draft it can tunr around your fortunes quickly.

Let's say they came out of the draft with a Big like Okafor or Towns and then in FA sign Dragic or Reggie Jackson, then a SG like Matthews or Danny Green. At the very least you have stabilized your starting unit.

Okafor
Melo
Jackson
Green

It's not a finished product but you at the least have a roster that makes sense and you have fewer holes. Now you can continue to develop young role players and compete.

BRIGGS wrote:Im not sure about Towns but Okfor will not take 2-3 years to hit his stride--he will be a 20-10 PF right away--he could average 20 points +55% in the NBA right now. Its VERY hard to determine what Knetucky bigs might do right away--theyre all good. Stein is not a 20 point player but he will really good at defense right away. Guys like Johnson and Lyles--man do they look good at times in short stints. Dakari Johnson is 7-0 260 with a soft touch and hes a good rebounder. Hopefully Kentucky players get opportunities to play a full 32-35 minutes on a few nights. I would really like to see Towns give a spectacular performance a couple of times. If you look back at the history of drafting big men at the top--IF they are good they are usually good right away. I don't know one player that took 3 years to pan out.

but as you mentioned neither were picked near the top.

Tyson Chandler took a good 4 years or so before he really became an impact player. His numbers dont totally reflect that but he went from being an unskilled athletic guy taken WAAAAAY to high to being one of the premier defenders.

Cousins put up some numbers but they were garbage and 3/4 year he started having a much bigger impact.

OK4 has an NBA skill set. Towns looks good but I think will have to take some lumps

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I wouldnt trade pick 1 under any circumstance ZERO. This team and franchise needs a drafted building block. I would not trade the 1st pick even for Lebron--thats how high I am on Okafor. Okafor to me represents 15 years of winning Pick 2(probably zero as well) or 3/ it would have to be a king's ransom. I do not think the NY Knicks are going to base even a scintilla of thought process on how Carmelo Anthony thinks we should proceed. By the way I think the Cavs fcked up by trading what couldve been Jabari Parker for Love. We cant assume Parker wouldve been hurt but having Parker at a cost restricted level by himself is superior to Kevin Love's over rated play and contract. Trading a high pick for an established player has been brutal for the Knicks. I'd say its time to start rethinking how we build the team. I think pick 1 and 2 are probably set in stone to be Okafor and Towns. The Knicks need a foundational big player.

The Cavs are an example of how hard it is to turn around a bad team. Adding Lebron and Love to a .400 team only brings you to .600. What does that tell you about our sub .200 team?!
Wiggins numbers are terrible right now in Minnesota. He may someday be a good player but Lebron will be very old by then. Keeping the two together didn't make sense. They still have a long way to go if they want to bring the team up from .600 to .750 though.

Good post. If Cav's were in NY we'd have BLatts head by now.

I don't think "We" need to rethink the rebuild because we have no freaking idea how Jax will go about it.
GIven how hard it is to find foundational players and all stars you have to look at the possibility that having a top 3 pick cna do that, and have Melo.
While his contract is unsavory to some around here, its a reality.

season is not half way, Cavs are .600. Thats not the end of the world. Heat first season had many bumps with Lebron. Cav's lost Varajao which hurts.
The talent is there, getting it to gel is another story and one that need patience.

Phil knows this better than the hindsight internet fan.

CrushAlot wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I wouldnt trade pick 1 under any circumstance ZERO. This team and franchise needs a drafted building block. I would not trade the 1st pick even for Lebron--thats how high I am on Okafor. Okafor to me represents 15 years of winning Pick 2(probably zero as well) or 3/ it would have to be a king's ransom. I do not think the NY Knicks are going to base even a scintilla of thought process on how Carmelo Anthony thinks we should proceed. By the way I think the Cavs fcked up by trading what couldve been Jabari Parker for Love. We cant assume Parker wouldve been hurt but having Parker at a cost restricted level by himself is superior to Kevin Love's over rated play and contract. Trading a high pick for an established player has been brutal for the Knicks. I'd say its time to start rethinking how we build the team. I think pick 1 and 2 are probably set in stone to be Okafor and Towns. The Knicks need a foundational big player.

The Cavs are an example of how hard it is to turn around a bad team. Adding Lebron and Love to a .400 team only brings you to .600. What does that tell you about our sub .200 team?!
Wiggins numbers are terrible right now in Minnesota. He may someday be a good player but Lebron will be very old by then. Keeping the two together didn't make sense. They still have a long way to go if they want to bring the team up from .600 to .750 though.

The Spurs went from a.244 win% in 1996 to having 17 straight winning seasons at an avg of .700 ball and 5 championships. If you get the right player in the draft it can tunr around your fortunes quickly.

The Nuggets went from a ,207 winning percentage in 03 to a ,524 percentage in 04. They ended a six year playoff drought and made 10 consecutive appearances. The Knicks have a big piece and should be able to add several pieces in free agency. I think the Knicks will be much better after next offseason.