knickscity wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knickscity wrote:Ok, so maybe he's having a slump...I dont think so.....but is Calderon a leader? No and never has been. Leaders dont lose the majority of their career.

Casey raved about him and called him a leader. Said he helped a lot of the guys on the raps when they were just coming into the league.

yet had no issue with him being traded. betcha he wouldnt take calderon over lowry. Coaches say alot of things we know aint true.

leaders arent leading losing teams. Raptors were a losing team the majority of the time calderon was there.

F500ONE wrote:

mreinman wrote:calderon has always shot very well ... he is not this year

lets not kill his career because of this year. His defense maybe always sucked but not his efficiency until this year.

calling him a career loser may be unfair and could very much depend on the teams that he has played on.

I think that he could be valuable on the right team.

We most certainly weren't that "right team"

And surely shouldn't have traded for him

looks that way

CrushAlot wrote:

knickscity wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knickscity wrote:Ok, so maybe he's having a slump...I dont think so.....but is Calderon a leader? No and never has been. Leaders dont lose the majority of their career.

Casey raved about him and called him a leader. Said he helped a lot of the guys on the raps when they were just coming into the league.

yet had no issue with him being traded. betcha he wouldnt take calderon over lowry. Coaches say alot of things we know aint true.

leaders arent leading losing teams. Raptors were a losing team the majority of the time calderon was there.

I am sure he would keep Lowry. But he raved about Jose. Not just lip service. He was gushing.

CrushAlot wrote:

knickscity wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knickscity wrote:Ok, so maybe he's having a slump...I dont think so.....but is Calderon a leader? No and never has been. Leaders dont lose the majority of their career.

Casey raved about him and called him a leader. Said he helped a lot of the guys on the raps when they were just coming into the league.

yet had no issue with him being traded. betcha he wouldnt take calderon over lowry. Coaches say alot of things we know aint true.

leaders arent leading losing teams. Raptors were a losing team the majority of the time calderon was there.

I am sure he would keep Lowry. But he raved about Jose. Not just lip service. He was gushing.

In the end Jose is not the future solution at PG. We most surely will be bringing in another guy who is younger and more dynamic. This is a transition roster and he is a transition PG who should be a solid back up when we finally add the future starter to the roster. We need to keep things in perspective.

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

mreinman wrote:calderon has always shot very well ... he is not this year

lets not kill his career because of this year. His defense maybe always sucked but not his efficiency until this year.

calling him a career loser may be unfair and could very much depend on the teams that he has played on.

I think that he could be valuable on the right team.

We most certainly weren't that "right team"

And surely shouldn't have traded for him

looks that way

I think Phil thought that he would have a 4 and a 5 in Smith and Bargs that could stretch the d and hit the open jumper and that Jose would fit well with them. He has neither of those guys so far.

Clearly JR Smith who was a Sixth Man of the Year winner and a major part of the offense was supposed to produce this year. Bargs and Jose have good history and chemistry, so i'm sure Phil was looking at that as a good pairing for Bargs to be more productive. It's just one of those years where nothing worked and they never got the engine started. The plane is still on the runway. In the end it doesn't matter since this was a one year thing and the future team was likely going to be much different. We just have to let this play out.

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

mreinman wrote:calderon has always shot very well ... he is not this year

lets not kill his career because of this year. His defense maybe always sucked but not his efficiency until this year.

calling him a career loser may be unfair and could very much depend on the teams that he has played on.

I think that he could be valuable on the right team.

We most certainly weren't that "right team"

And surely shouldn't have traded for him

looks that way

I think Phil thought that he would have a 4 and a 5 in Smith and Bargs that could stretch the d and hit the open jumper and that Jose would fit well with them. He has neither of those guys so far.

Clearly JR Smith who was a Sixth Man of the Year winner and a major part of the offense was supposed to produce this year. Bargs and Jose have good history and chemistry, so i'm sure Phil was looking at that as a good pairing for Bargs to be more productive. It's just one of those years where nothing worked and they never got the engine started. The plane is still on the runway. In the end it doesn't matter since this was a one year thing and the future team was likely going to be much different. We just have to let this play out.

JR Smith? Who expected him to do well this year?

No boneheads on this board predicted that, right?

knickscity wrote:Calderon needs to be traded plain and simple. This league is driven by talent on the court. You can always find a cheap vet to fill calderons role of a locker room presence.

Let's remember too that Phil was trying to find a holdover PG to replace Felton who simply had to go. It's not like Phil was looking at Calderon as the final answer for the team going forward. Not a 33 year old PG who we know isn't very dynamic or a good defender. Phil was going to have to find a permanent solution at PG. This is why I really don't see all the concern about Jose. He's not our biggest issue and he's going to be pushed back to a more suitable role in the future anyway.

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:Calderon needs to be traded plain and simple. This league is driven by talent on the court. You can always find a cheap vet to fill calderons role of a locker room presence.

Let's remember too that Phil was trying to find a holdover PG to replace Felton who simply had to go. It's not like Phil was looking at Calderon as the final answer for the team going forward. Not a 33 year old PG who we know isn't very dynamic or a good defender. Phil was going to have to find a permanent solution at PG. This is why I really don't see all the concern about Jose. He's not our biggest issue and he's going to be pushed back to a more suitable role in the future anyway.

CAN YOU ADMIT THAT SUPER PHIL HAS SUPER FUKKED UP ? ???

A BIT?

Overall he wasn't betting the farm on this roster. The worst thing anyone can say is that Jose is making too much money. Other than that what did he really do that was detrimental to the future of the team? Even Jose's contract isn't really standing in his way. He can resolve that if he needs to. Heck we don't even know if he plans on using all of the available cap this year on Free Agents.

We've still got the Trade Deadline, Draft and Free Agent Signing Period to see what Phil can get done. It'll be a long 7 months if we're gonna take the stance that this roster or Jose is somehow really gonna stop us from remaking this team.

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:Calderon needs to be traded plain and simple. This league is driven by talent on the court. You can always find a cheap vet to fill calderons role of a locker room presence.

Let's remember too that Phil was trying to find a holdover PG to replace Felton who simply had to go. It's not like Phil was looking at Calderon as the final answer for the team going forward. Not a 33 year old PG who we know isn't very dynamic or a good defender. Phil was going to have to find a permanent solution at PG. This is why I really don't see all the concern about Jose. He's not our biggest issue and he's going to be pushed back to a more suitable role in the future anyway.

CAN YOU ADMIT THAT SUPER PHIL HAS SUPER FUKKED UP ? ???

A BIT?

Well what was the best we could've hoped for this year?d A Playoff appearance? So what really is the big whup if things didn't work? Regardless of what this team did was there really a likelyhood that this team was going remain intact? This was a throwaway season that he tried to put a group together that wouldn't mess up the plans for the future and that made a bit more sense based on how he wanted the team to play.

Overall he wasn't betting the farm on this roster. The worst thing anyone can say is that Jose is making too much money. Other than that what did he really do that was detrimental to the future of the team? Even Jose's contract isn't really standing in his way. He can resolve that if he needs to. Heck we don't even know if he plans on using all of the available cap this year on Free Agents.

We've still got the Trade Deadline, Draft and Free Agent Signing Period to see what Phil can get done. It'll be a long 7 months if we're gonna take the stance that this roster or Jose is somehow really gonna stop us from remaking this team.

so how do you feel that he has done thus far?

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:Calderon needs to be traded plain and simple. This league is driven by talent on the court. You can always find a cheap vet to fill calderons role of a locker room presence.

Let's remember too that Phil was trying to find a holdover PG to replace Felton who simply had to go. It's not like Phil was looking at Calderon as the final answer for the team going forward. Not a 33 year old PG who we know isn't very dynamic or a good defender. Phil was going to have to find a permanent solution at PG. This is why I really don't see all the concern about Jose. He's not our biggest issue and he's going to be pushed back to a more suitable role in the future anyway.

CAN YOU ADMIT THAT SUPER PHIL HAS SUPER FUKKED UP ? ???

A BIT?

Well what was the best we could've hoped for this year?d A Playoff appearance? So what really is the big whup if things didn't work? Regardless of what this team did was there really a likelyhood that this team was going remain intact? This was a throwaway season that he tried to put a group together that wouldn't mess up the plans for the future and that made a bit more sense based on how he wanted the team to play.

Overall he wasn't betting the farm on this roster. The worst thing anyone can say is that Jose is making too much money. Other than that what did he really do that was detrimental to the future of the team? Even Jose's contract isn't really standing in his way. He can resolve that if he needs to. Heck we don't even know if he plans on using all of the available cap this year on Free Agents.

We've still got the Trade Deadline, Draft and Free Agent Signing Period to see what Phil can get done. It'll be a long 7 months if we're gonna take the stance that this roster or Jose is somehow really gonna stop us from remaking this team.

so how do you feel that he has done thus far?

Until there is a reactionary trade that handcuffs the team for years I will think he is doing fine.

As opposed to a reactionary signing that handcuffs the team for years?

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:Calderon needs to be traded plain and simple. This league is driven by talent on the court. You can always find a cheap vet to fill calderons role of a locker room presence.

Let's remember too that Phil was trying to find a holdover PG to replace Felton who simply had to go. It's not like Phil was looking at Calderon as the final answer for the team going forward. Not a 33 year old PG who we know isn't very dynamic or a good defender. Phil was going to have to find a permanent solution at PG. This is why I really don't see all the concern about Jose. He's not our biggest issue and he's going to be pushed back to a more suitable role in the future anyway.

CAN YOU ADMIT THAT SUPER PHIL HAS SUPER FUKKED UP ? ???

A BIT?

Well what was the best we could've hoped for this year?d A Playoff appearance? So what really is the big whup if things didn't work? Regardless of what this team did was there really a likelyhood that this team was going remain intact? This was a throwaway season that he tried to put a group together that wouldn't mess up the plans for the future and that made a bit more sense based on how he wanted the team to play.

Overall he wasn't betting the farm on this roster. The worst thing anyone can say is that Jose is making too much money. Other than that what did he really do that was detrimental to the future of the team? Even Jose's contract isn't really standing in his way. He can resolve that if he needs to. Heck we don't even know if he plans on using all of the available cap this year on Free Agents.

We've still got the Trade Deadline, Draft and Free Agent Signing Period to see what Phil can get done. It'll be a long 7 months if we're gonna take the stance that this roster or Jose is somehow really gonna stop us from remaking this team.

Who predicts Paramount results in a season they felt was a throwaway

You're trying to navigate your way out of a paper bag

We're not gonna let you rest on these turbulent nautical waters

Until you MAN up and say

"I was wrong about so many things about this team

I overestimated not factoring all volatile circumstances

I also was overtly critical of other teams and their ability

To achieve success not affording them the same set of possibilities to accomplish them"

BTW The Raptors are 20gms ahead of us, they have picks

And they'll have a little bit of cap space to add to their solid cultural foundation