Now that we've come to somewhat of a break on the season

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/60499/phils-players-not-meeting-expectations

Why is this team better with Wear on the court than off

Larkin is getting better IMO. He's less hesitant and more aggressive now. He still has more developing he needs. IMO if Isaiah Thomas can be successful at a similar size and quickness then Larkin should be able to work on his weaknesses and get to a similar level. He has very similar physical talent. He's got to learn how to be effective amongst the trees.

nixluva wrote:Wear seems to have the best handle on the system and thinks and reacts quicker than most on the team. He moves well without the ball and cuts hard with a purpose. He needs more minutes to really get comfortable and play thru mistakes, but he seems like a guy to keep around and fully develop.

Larkin is getting better IMO. He's less hesitant and more aggressive now. He still has more developing he needs. IMO if Isaiah Thomas can be successful at a similar size and quickness then Larkin should be able to work on his weaknesses and get to a similar level. He has very similar physical talent. He's got to learn how to be effective amongst the trees.

Why hasn't this happened IYO considering injuries, rested players

The amount of losses piling up, what's stunting the obvious from taking place

I thought THE CULTURE would override so many negatives

nixluva wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

nixluva wrote:Wear seems to have the best handle on the system and thinks and reacts quicker than most on the team. He moves well without the ball and cuts hard with a purpose. He needs more minutes to really get comfortable and play thru mistakes, but he seems like a guy to keep around and fully develop.

Larkin is getting better IMO. He's less hesitant and more aggressive now. He still has more developing he needs. IMO if Isaiah Thomas can be successful at a similar size and quickness then Larkin should be able to work on his weaknesses and get to a similar level. He has very similar physical talent. He's got to learn how to be effective amongst the trees.

Why hasn't this happened IYO considering injuries, rested players

The amount of losses piling up, what's stunting the obvious from taking place

I thought THE CULTURE would override so many negatives

It's hard for me to say from the outside but my guess is the carrot and stick approach. It's hard to make a case at the very start of the year for Wear to play over others. You wouldn't just give him more minutes right away. As we've moved along Aldrich has been getting more of an opportunity and It could be the same for Wear. It's not like the season is close to being over. There's more season to play than has been played. Initially they were trying to work with the guys they figured to be more able to help the team win and as things have transpired it's moving to a stage where you can give players more of a look with the injuries taking guys out of the picture. That's just my guess. It doesn't have to be anything sinister or bad management. It could just be the way they chose to develop some of the young guys.

This explanation could very well be true

But it speaks volumes how being slow in implementing processes

Even if we arrive at the right conclusions can cost the team

In the long run, there were enough excuses to justify going the other way earlier

With limited resources we do not have luxury in being cavalier

Working at a snails pace to achieve end goals, because we'll never get there

It's okay to trendset, set standards, be innovative, forward think, abort a mission to re-establish a new one

If being judged on process implementation alone Knicks would get an F here

Even if the train is placed on the right track, this isn't just about Wear either

F500ONE wrote:

nixluva wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

nixluva wrote:Wear seems to have the best handle on the system and thinks and reacts quicker than most on the team. He moves well without the ball and cuts hard with a purpose. He needs more minutes to really get comfortable and play thru mistakes, but he seems like a guy to keep around and fully develop.

Larkin is getting better IMO. He's less hesitant and more aggressive now. He still has more developing he needs. IMO if Isaiah Thomas can be successful at a similar size and quickness then Larkin should be able to work on his weaknesses and get to a similar level. He has very similar physical talent. He's got to learn how to be effective amongst the trees.

Why hasn't this happened IYO considering injuries, rested players

The amount of losses piling up, what's stunting the obvious from taking place

I thought THE CULTURE would override so many negatives

It's hard for me to say from the outside but my guess is the carrot and stick approach. It's hard to make a case at the very start of the year for Wear to play over others. You wouldn't just give him more minutes right away. As we've moved along Aldrich has been getting more of an opportunity and It could be the same for Wear. It's not like the season is close to being over. There's more season to play than has been played. Initially they were trying to work with the guys they figured to be more able to help the team win and as things have transpired it's moving to a stage where you can give players more of a look with the injuries taking guys out of the picture. That's just my guess. It doesn't have to be anything sinister or bad management. It could just be the way they chose to develop some of the young guys.

This explanation could very well be true

But it speaks volumes how being slow in implementing processes

Even if we arrive at the right conclusions can cost the team

In the long run, there were enough excuses to justify going the other way earlier

With limited resources we do not have luxury in being cavalier

Working at a snails pace to achieve end goals, because we'll never get there

It's okay to trendset, set standards, be innovative, forward think, abort a mission to re-establish a new one

If being judged on process implementation alone Knicks would get an F here

Even if the train is placed on the right track, this isn't just about Wear either

Yeah, teams gets an F thru 30 games. What does that tell you? Give up the culture or get new studants? No more grade waves and letting the players off the hook.
New culture will demand more from the players. They guys who perform will get paid, adored and star on broadway!!!!!!

F500ONE wrote:

nixluva wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

nixluva wrote:Wear seems to have the best handle on the system and thinks and reacts quicker than most on the team. He moves well without the ball and cuts hard with a purpose. He needs more minutes to really get comfortable and play thru mistakes, but he seems like a guy to keep around and fully develop.

Larkin is getting better IMO. He's less hesitant and more aggressive now. He still has more developing he needs. IMO if Isaiah Thomas can be successful at a similar size and quickness then Larkin should be able to work on his weaknesses and get to a similar level. He has very similar physical talent. He's got to learn how to be effective amongst the trees.

Why hasn't this happened IYO considering injuries, rested players

The amount of losses piling up, what's stunting the obvious from taking place

I thought THE CULTURE would override so many negatives

It's hard for me to say from the outside but my guess is the carrot and stick approach. It's hard to make a case at the very start of the year for Wear to play over others. You wouldn't just give him more minutes right away. As we've moved along Aldrich has been getting more of an opportunity and It could be the same for Wear. It's not like the season is close to being over. There's more season to play than has been played. Initially they were trying to work with the guys they figured to be more able to help the team win and as things have transpired it's moving to a stage where you can give players more of a look with the injuries taking guys out of the picture. That's just my guess. It doesn't have to be anything sinister or bad management. It could just be the way they chose to develop some of the young guys.

This explanation could very well be true

But it speaks volumes how being slow in implementing processes

Even if we arrive at the right conclusions can cost the team

In the long run, there were enough excuses to justify going the other way earlier

With limited resources we do not have luxury in being cavalier

Working at a snails pace to achieve end goals, because we'll never get there

It's okay to trendset, set standards, be innovative, forward think, abort a mission to re-establish a new one

If being judged on process implementation alone Knicks would get an F here

Even if the train is placed on the right track, this isn't just about Wear either

TO be honest there's no way that if you truly believe in a philosophy and system that you plan on going with not just this year, but going forward, that you'd abandon it very quickly. To have done so earlier would send the wrong message to the players and anyone outside of the team that the didn't have a true commitment to the principles they touted. In truth there literally NOTHING wrong with wanting ball and player movement and teaching sharing the ball and playing the game the right way.

The failures so far this season aren't necessarily an indictment of the culture and system. It could just simply be that the team got off to a bad start for various reasons, one of them being injuries to key players, never allowed them to reach the level of play they anticipated. Sometimes you just have a failure to launch despite the best plans and intentions. It's not like the team was overloaded with talent and couldn't fail. Most everything had to go well for this to work and clearly too many things didn't go as planned from the very start.

This team hasn't played one single game at full health and never played the projected starting line up. Who's to say that it might not have made a difference in many of these close losses.

Amazingly, seven of the Knicks' last eight losses have been by seven points or fewer. The Wall Street Journal's Chris Herring tells us that the Knicks have now lost 13 (!) straight games where the score was separated by five points or less heading into the final five minutes of play. According to Herring, that's the longest losing streak in "clutch" situations (games where the score is within five points or less points with five or fewer minutes remaining) since 2007, when the Celtics dropped 14 straight close games.

Since this article was written they lost a few more close games. Despite the record it's not like the team has had no chance to win games. Better production from our SG spot and having a healthy Melo and Bargs might have made a difference. It's not necessarily the Culture or system that is the cause of the losing.

F500ONE wrote:Nalod you're in weird state of confusion

This thread has nothing to do with Melo

And everything to do with Phil

This isn't something you're good at

Stay on Topic and stop trying to derail the thread

It has everything to do with Melo!!!!
First player on that evaluation was melo.
Every thread you have is about melo.
If your saying Phil has done a bad job so far you'd be correct. It does not take a keen evaluation to look at 5-25 and come with any other conclusion.
If you look up and see Phil is swinging the Wrecking ball then you shrugg your shoulders and ask if we are not to contend, they whats the difference.

Dolan built the team to fund his MSG renovation. Fact is the stock tripled in 4 years in part because of the valuations put on sports team. Thats equity brother.
DOlan starphuching to bring Phil in. If it was anyone else I'd be suspect unless it was a young Ujiri but even the youngest and brightest would have to tear this mutha down!
The starphuch was nice, but this is a long process.
Most get this except you.
Lost the battle to win the war.
You enjoy being "right" and the bravado that goes with being a UK superstar!
Phil don't care about this season. He'll say he does, but look at the actions vs. the perceptions.

Splat wrote:Nalod been foaming at the mouth for a solid week now.

According to him, every thread's purpose now is MeloHate.

Other than the fact that Melo is the core piece of this team, apparently any mention of his massive flaws qualifies as MeloHate.

Since the team's fortunes are bound up with a one-dimensional chucker with zero capacity to lead or impact the games by himself or to make his teammates better, get used to it Nalod.

Now we'll get more prose poems to circle jerks and menstruation.

And don't forget to trademark MeloLove. You can sell T-Shirts.

Can we respond to every post you make now and taunt you as a Melo Lover? Would you proudly wear that badge now?

Poor Melo needs Nalod to defend him? I think not. Fat cat is doing just fine without you slobbering all over him.

The funny thing is I don't defend Melo and I have no love for him. He is who he is and he has given us what we paid for.
I was against the trade. I was against him walking for no value in return. His flaws have been the same for years.
As a knick I have seen the chants of MVP and depicted this starphuch Mooby love as false god idol worship!!!! The 54 win season was not on his back exclusively but because the team was pretty good.
This year its bloody awful.

Seem to me a lot of the hate is because of the money.

Nalod wrote:

Splat wrote:Nalod been foaming at the mouth for a solid week now.

According to him, every thread's purpose now is MeloHate.

Other than the fact that Melo is the core piece of this team, apparently any mention of his massive flaws qualifies as MeloHate.

Since the team's fortunes are bound up with a one-dimensional chucker with zero capacity to lead or impact the games by himself or to make his teammates better, get used to it Nalod.

Now we'll get more prose poems to circle jerks and menstruation.

And don't forget to trademark MeloLove. You can sell T-Shirts.

Can we respond to every post you make now and taunt you as a Melo Lover? Would you proudly wear that badge now?

Poor Melo needs Nalod to defend him? I think not. Fat cat is doing just fine without you slobbering all over him.

The funny thing is I don't defend Melo and I have no love for him. He is who he is and he has given us what we paid for.
I was against the trade. I was against him walking for no value in return. His flaws have been the same for years.
As a knick I have seen the chants of MVP and depicted this starphuch Mooby love as false god idol worship!!!! The 54 win season was not on his back exclusively but because the team was pretty good.
This year its bloody awful.

Seem to me a lot of the hate is because of the money.

Splat wrote:Nalod been foaming at the mouth for a solid week now.

According to him, every thread's purpose now is MeloHate.

Other than the fact that Melo is the core piece of this team, apparently any mention of his massive flaws qualifies as MeloHate.

Since the team's fortunes are bound up with a one-dimensional chucker with zero capacity to lead or impact the games by himself or to make his teammates better, get used to it Nalod.

Now we'll get more prose poems to circle jerks and menstruation.

And don't forget to trademark MeloLove. You can sell T-Shirts.

Can we respond to every post you make now and taunt you as a Melo Lover? Would you proudly wear that badge now?

Poor Melo needs Nalod to defend him? I think not. Fat cat is doing just fine without you slobbering all over him.

Does Nalod rep Brooklyn though

Is this the Brooklyn coming out in him

Yeah not sure what fancy he's on right now but it's painting him a fool

Phil brought technically 10 new faces in, 1 is in the D-League

Appears to be developing nicely, speaking of poetics and writing

What a novel thing to do develop youth properly

Which means the young players we had on the roster eligible for minutes

Should have been played more and early on, this is what I was alluding to

Aborting mission, playoffs are nice and all but if we were completely honest

And operating with an internal compass of seeing beyond the naked eye's vista

You abort relying heavily on sunk cost vets and increase the assets of youth

We may have won more games, now how much more is up for debate and whether

The benefits outweigh the sacrifices but principle will always be principled

Principles don't change neither do purposes but plans do

Make sure they're aligned properly in the correct order

Purpose, Principle, Plan