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12/19/2014  8:59 PM

Knicks Need Only Look in the Mirror to See Reasons Behind Their Demise

By Howard Beck , NBA Senior Writer Dec 19, 2014



NEW YORK — During his three-year NBA sabbatical, Phil Jackson wrote another book, watched a lot of basketball and mastered a new form of communication: the tweet.

"11 champ;ipnsikp[ ringhs," Jackson, um, stated on March 27, 2013, in his Twitter debut.

The garbled greeting was a marketing ploy for Jackson's book, "Eleven Rings: The Soul of Success," but he has come a long way since, deftly using Twitter to pontificate, philosophize and tweak.

Now settled into his latest venture—the quixotic attempt to breathe life into the New York Knicks—Jackson uses the platform to send subtle messages on the state of his team.

On Tuesday, he retweeted a historic photo showing four brothers—"Giants. All over 7 feet tall"—then quipped, "Where are these guys when you really need them?"

Where, indeed?

While he was at it, Jackson might as well have tweeted out photos of Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Shaquille O'Neal, Kobe Bryant, Pau Gasol, Lamar Odom, Robert Horry, Ron Harper and every other disciple he ever coached in Los Angeles and Chicago.

At this point, even a 53-year-old Dennis Rodman would be an upgrade for a Knicks roster that is lacking both skill and acumen.

The Knicks are 5-23, the worst start in franchise history, triggering the usual hysteria and Gotham blame games. It's the triangle offense! (Too complicated! Outdated!). It's coach Derek Fisher! (Too calm! Overmatched!) It's Jackson! (Too Zen!)

There are clear growing pains in the first year of the Jackson era, both with the system and the rookie coach, but the Knicks' greatest problem is so much more basic and yet criminally underplayed: It's the talent, stupid.


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Lost in the hand-wringing and hysteria is the fact that the Knicks have just one above-average player: franchise star/mad hatter Carmelo Anthony. The rest of the roster? A collection of faded stars, underachievers and spare parts.

Aside from Anthony at small forward (who is toiling through back and knee soreness), there isn't a single Knick who ranks among the top 15 in the league at his position. We repeat: The Knicks do not have one player who ranks in the top 15 in the league at point guard, shooting guard, power forward or center.

I count 18 point guards better than Jose Calderon, who is probably the Knicks' second-best player. There are at least 15 shooting guards better than the Knicks' group of Iman Shumpert, J.R. Smith and Tim Hardaway Jr.; at least 18 power forwards better than the platoon of Quincy Acy and Amar'e Stoudemire; and at least 20 centers better than the platoon of Stoudemire and Samuel Dalembert.

(That's not just one man's opinion. I consulted a handful of team executives who concurred.)

The picture is even bleaker if you check CBSSports.com's total player rankings, which are based on actual production. By that metric, Calderon ranks 42nd among point guards, Shumpert 31st among shooting guards, Stoudemire 20th among power forwards and Dalembert 36th among centers.

That means several teams have not one, but two players who rank ahead of the Knicks' starter at any given position. Indeed, the Knicks have four starters who wouldn't crack the lineup on a decent playoff team.

This is what Jackson inherited last spring—a poorly constructed roster with no salary-cap room, no first-round pick and little ability to make significant changes. Even if Jackson had let Anthony leave last summer, the Knicks would have been over the cap.


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It must be noted that Jackson did inherit one other quality player, center Tyson Chandler, but he traded him to Dallas to acquire Calderon. The deal made sense at the time—Calderon fits the triangle, and Chandler was miserable last season—but it now looks like a colossal misfire, with Chandler having regained his form as an elite defender in Dallas.

Instead of Chandler, the Knicks are playing Acy (17 starts), who had never started an NBA game until this season, and Dalembert, who is on his fifth team in five seasons.

Stoudemire, though productive in spurts, is no longer a full-time player and remains a huge liability on defense. Shumpert has never fulfilled his potential, and Smith is still, well, Smith.

Although Calderon is a fine shooter and distributor, he's probably best suited as a reserve at 33.

The Knicks rotation is filled with players who would struggle to earn minutes on a good team: Acy, Shane Larkin, Cole Aldrich, Jason Smith, Travis Wear.

Is it any wonder Fisher has used 14 different starting lineups? Or that the rotation changes game to game?

Beyond all of that, the Knicks have few players who are well suited to the triangle offense, a read-and-react system that requires quick decisions, crisp passing and a high basketball IQ.

Watching the Knicks meander through their sets Tuesday night, Charley Rosen—a triangle scholar and Jackson confidant (after serving as an assistant coach for Jackson in the CBA)—could hardly contain his disgust.

"Everybody's out of position," Rosen said, while the Knicks quickly fell behind the Dallas Mavericks in what became their 22nd loss.

When Jackson took the reins of the Los Angeles Lakers in 1999, he signed two ex-Bulls, Ron Harper and John Salley, to serve as triangle tutors on the court. Fisher has no such luxury. (Jackson tried to convince former Laker Pau Gasol to join the Knicks, but he chose Chicago instead.) The Lakers were also stocked with skilled, high-IQ role players, including Fisher, Horry, Brian Shaw and Rick Fox. These Knicks hardly compare.


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"If everybody doesn't do their job, then the whole thing falls apart," Rosen said. "If one guy messes up, it doesn't work."

The triangle works best with a skilled big man who can catch the ball in the low post and force the defense to adjust, opening other options. The Knicks don't have that player. They also lack three-point shooters, playmakers and defenders, which would handicap any team.

If the Lakers and Bulls ran 100 percent of the triangle's actions, exploiting every nuance and countermove, the Knicks are using maybe 25-30 percent, according to Rosen. And what they are running, they're not running well.

"They're very slow in coming to their assigned spots," he said, "which messes up their spacing, messes up their timing, makes it easier to defend. They don't set weak-side picks, which negates a lot of the movement."

It was that sort of action, Rosen noted, that the Bulls used repeatedly to get Horace Grant open midrange jumpers. Grant made a living off those plays.

Simply put, these Knicks aren't committed enough to make the offense work as it should.

"Their attitude is, 'OK, I'm supposed to set a pick, but I really want to cut to the basket,'" Rosen said. "So they don't want to work hard, and they don't see how it's advantageous to them. Because they may be two passes away, three passes away from getting a good shot. But they want to be a dribble away from getting a good shot."

Tex Winter, the triangle architect and Jackson's mentor, used to say the triangle was not just an offense but a philosophy. It required a certain amount of selflessness and sacrifice, which the Knicks have yet to display.

"It's not the triangle that's the problem," Rosen said. "It's them."


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In the players' defense, it's probably difficult to make a full commitment when most of them know they will be gone by next season. The Knicks' larger agenda is to leverage their salary-cap room next summer to acquire a second star, or several impact players, which means cutting ties with most of this roster. Nearly every Knick is available in trade right now, which they surely understand.

As Fisher noted earlier this week, "On top of that they're being asked to sacrifice more and do less in order to win, so it's not a great combination for cohesion and team chemistry."

Should the Knicks nevertheless have more than five victories? Perhaps. But not many more. No matter what system they run, or how well they run it, or how hard they play, these Knicks are limited by a profound lack of talent.

It's a waiting game now—a long, depressing slog toward next summer, when the Knicks should have a top-10 pick (their highest since 2009) and salary-cap room (for the first time since 2010), plus a chance to acquire players who fit the Jackson profile.

Phil Jackson may be best known for those 11 sparkly rings and the mystical offense, but his real value in New York won't be known for another seven months. It's nice to have a winning philosophy. It's better to have winning players.

Howard Beck covers the NBA for Bleacher Report. Follow him on Twitter, @HowardBeck.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2305037-knicks-need-only-look-in-the-mirror-to-see-reasons-behind-their-demise
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12/19/2014  9:03 PM
Who gives a ****, keep tanking.

Smartest thing these idiots have done since their last championship.

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12/19/2014  9:12 PM
Knick Rebuild Planning:

Year One:
Bring in new GM and coach to work with horrible existing roster (check)
Prioritize shedding contracts over winning (check).

Year Two
Allow new GM/coach to remake roster to fit system.
Show progress with system: hopefully, check by next year.

Year Three
Make move for big name on multi-year contract who doesn't fit system at all.
Fire coach/GM

Year Four
Rinse.
Repeat.

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12/19/2014  9:20 PM
It's a waiting game now—a long, depressing slog toward next summer, when the Knicks should have a top-10 pick (their highest since 2009) and salary-cap room (for the first time since 2010), plus a chance to acquire players who fit the Jackson profile.
They can't go gimmicky or just plain miss here. The Knicks need to get the pick right. I think they have a good thing going in Westchester and probably can consistenly develop guys that fit somewhere in the 7-12 range on a bench and will play for league minimum deals or slightly more.
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12/19/2014  9:25 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Who gives a ****, keep tanking.

Smartest thing these idiots have done since their last championship.

Knicks haven't been tanking. They just haven't been winning games. There's a difference. This doesn't preclude the team from taking advantage of this historic losing. Now they can actually just let things play out and perhaps accelerate the Losing by actually Tanking, which they hadn't really been trying to do.

I really am getting tired of the media trying to push the narrative that Phil is already failing which is just STUPID!!! Phil really does have every opportunity to build the team he wants. It's not like he made Dolan type trades and has no cap space or he gave away picks. Quite the contrary Phil added picks and youth to be developed. It may not be showing any promise just yet but it's INSANELY early in the process to be making any kind of determination.

What happens if Phil does make some additional moves that lead to more picks or a good asset for the future? What if he makes an excellent draft pick selection? We won't know for months what he's able to do in Free Agency, but he'll have options. It's hard to be optimistic amidst all this losing but really there is a lot to look forward to in terms of changes to this team. THIS TEAM WILL CHANGE this summer. That much we can be sure of. Hard to imagine that it won't get much better than this going forward.

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12/19/2014  9:31 PM
nixluva wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Who gives a ****, keep tanking.

Smartest thing these idiots have done since their last championship.

Knicks haven't been tanking. They just haven't been winning games. There's a difference. This doesn't preclude the team from taking advantage of this historic losing. Now they can actually just let things play out and perhaps accelerate the Losing by actually Tanking, which they hadn't really been trying to do.

I really am getting tired of the media trying to push the narrative that Phil is already failing which is just STUPID!!! Phil really does have every opportunity to build the team he wants. It's not like he made Dolan type trades and has no cap space or he gave away picks. Quite the contrary Phil added picks and youth to be developed. It may not be showing any promise just yet but it's INSANELY early in the process to be making any kind of determination.

What happens if Phil does make some additional moves that lead to more picks or a good asset for the future? What if he makes an excellent draft pick selection? We won't know for months what he's able to do in Free Agency, but he'll have options. It's hard to be optimistic amidst all this losing but really there is a lot to look forward to in terms of changes to this team. THIS TEAM WILL CHANGE this summer. That much we can be sure of. Hard to imagine that it won't get much better than this going forward.

Phil and Fish get here and coincidentally they have their worst start in franchise history?

Bro...

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12/20/2014  5:17 AM
nixluva wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Who gives a ****, keep tanking.

Smartest thing these idiots have done since their last championship.

Knicks haven't been tanking. They just haven't been winning games. There's a difference. This doesn't preclude the team from taking advantage of this historic losing. Now they can actually just let things play out and perhaps accelerate the Losing by actually Tanking, which they hadn't really been trying to do.

I really am getting tired of the media trying to push the narrative that Phil is already failing which is just STUPID!!! Phil really does have every opportunity to build the team he wants. It's not like he made Dolan type trades and has no cap space or he gave away picks. Quite the contrary Phil added picks and youth to be developed. It may not be showing any promise just yet but it's INSANELY early in the process to be making any kind of determination.

What happens if Phil does make some additional moves that lead to more picks or a good asset for the future? What if he makes an excellent draft pick selection? We won't know for months what he's able to do in Free Agency, but he'll have options. It's hard to be optimistic amidst all this losing but really there is a lot to look forward to in terms of changes to this team. THIS TEAM WILL CHANGE this summer. That much we can be sure of. Hard to imagine that it won't get much better than this going forward.

Phil revamped half of the roster, and actually called it a playoff team, as of now he has failed. The cap space you speak of is not by Phil's doing...it was already there, but Phil actually ADDED salary by trading for calderon....so currently he has less cap space.

He also has forfeited two draft picks, both second rounders....one for Acy which had protections, and a 2nd to dump Outlaw on Philly.

Phil would probably trade a 1st as well if he had one available before 2018.

What Phil WILL find out this summer is that players arent impressed with the triangle as it is outdated, and seeing it has been a colossal faliure with this team....the good players arent gonna be a part of that life.

Phil major mistake will be pushing the triangle down players throats.

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12/20/2014  5:40 AM
I do not hope he gets fired but if he is should Phil get together with Fish then do everything he can to hire Brian Shaw as an assistant if he loses his job.
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12/20/2014  5:51 AM
markvmc wrote:Knick Rebuild Planning:

Year One:
Bring in new GM and coach to work with horrible existing roster (check)
Prioritize shedding contracts over winning (check).

Year Two
Allow new GM/coach to remake roster to fit system.
Show progress with system: hopefully, check by next year.

Year Three
Make move for big name on multi-year contract who doesn't fit system at all.
Fire coach/GM

Year Four
Rinse.
Repeat.

Check!
nailed it

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12/20/2014  11:00 AM
Nice to see Beck write a Knicks piece again- used to be the best Knicks writer. Can't help but feel his talents are being wasted on Bleacher Report- it's just an ugly, low quality site.
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12/20/2014  11:03 AM
smackeddog wrote:Nice to see Beck write a Knicks piece again- used to be the best Knicks writer. Can't help but feel his talents are being wasted on Bleacher Report- it's just an ugly, low quality site.
I agree. Yahoo hit a home run getting Wojo and creating a sports news site. Bleacher report got Beck and Jared and paid them a ton. Two of my favorite Knick writers but I never see their stuff. I only saw this because I follow Beck on twitter.
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CrushAlot wrote:
smackeddog wrote:Nice to see Beck write a Knicks piece again- used to be the best Knicks writer. Can't help but feel his talents are being wasted on Bleacher Report- it's just an ugly, low quality site.
I agree. Yahoo hit a home run getting Wojo and creating a sports news site. Bleacher report got Beck and Jared and paid them a ton. Two of my favorite Knick writers but I never see their stuff. I only saw this because I follow Beck on twitter.
truthfully articles dont bother me. Crticism of the knicks is ok and somewhat warranted. Now i dont agree with guys like charles barkley who hates us but i dont want any writers being homers either
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12/20/2014  11:15 AM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
smackeddog wrote:Nice to see Beck write a Knicks piece again- used to be the best Knicks writer. Can't help but feel his talents are being wasted on Bleacher Report- it's just an ugly, low quality site.
I agree. Yahoo hit a home run getting Wojo and creating a sports news site. Bleacher report got Beck and Jared and paid them a ton. Two of my favorite Knick writers but I never see their stuff. I only saw this because I follow Beck on twitter.
truthfully articles dont bother me. Crticism of the knicks is ok and somewhat warranted. Now i dont agree with guys like charles barkley who hates us but i dont want any writers being homers either

I like Beck but he was far from a homer. I thought he was pretty bitter towards the end. Jared just seemed to have a lot of connections with players. Seemed like a good guy and a straight shooter. I thought he was a bit better than Begley. Its funny though that Bleacher Report did the same thing Yahoo did but has had nowhere near the success in my opinion.
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CrushAlot wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
smackeddog wrote:Nice to see Beck write a Knicks piece again- used to be the best Knicks writer. Can't help but feel his talents are being wasted on Bleacher Report- it's just an ugly, low quality site.
I agree. Yahoo hit a home run getting Wojo and creating a sports news site. Bleacher report got Beck and Jared and paid them a ton. Two of my favorite Knick writers but I never see their stuff. I only saw this because I follow Beck on twitter.
truthfully articles dont bother me. Crticism of the knicks is ok and somewhat warranted. Now i dont agree with guys like charles barkley who hates us but i dont want any writers being homers either

I like Beck but he was far from a homer. I thought he was pretty bitter towards the end. Jared just seemed to have a lot of connections with players. Seemed like a good guy and a straight shooter. I thought he was a bit better than Begley. Its funny though that Bleacher Report did the same thing Yahoo did but has had nowhere near the success in my opinion.
beck is fine, but if some other writers are too bitter or agenda driven then it bothers me
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StarksEwing1 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
smackeddog wrote:Nice to see Beck write a Knicks piece again- used to be the best Knicks writer. Can't help but feel his talents are being wasted on Bleacher Report- it's just an ugly, low quality site.
I agree. Yahoo hit a home run getting Wojo and creating a sports news site. Bleacher report got Beck and Jared and paid them a ton. Two of my favorite Knick writers but I never see their stuff. I only saw this because I follow Beck on twitter.
truthfully articles dont bother me. Crticism of the knicks is ok and somewhat warranted. Now i dont agree with guys like charles barkley who hates us but i dont want any writers being homers either

I like Beck but he was far from a homer. I thought he was pretty bitter towards the end. Jared just seemed to have a lot of connections with players. Seemed like a good guy and a straight shooter. I thought he was a bit better than Begley. Its funny though that Bleacher Report did the same thing Yahoo did but has had nowhere near the success in my opinion.
beck is fine, but if some other writers are too bitter or agenda driven then it bothers me

Yeah, Isola has been pushing a ridiculously venomous anti Phil agenda from day one- unrelentingly so. I'm pretty sure the Daily News owner was using anti-Dolan stories to try and get Dolan to either sell or agree some sort of Newsday merger (He said something like if he agreed to the deal, the anti Knick/Dolan stories would end today, or something)- I forget now, there was a story about it last year.

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nixluva wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Who gives a ****, keep tanking.

Smartest thing these idiots have done since their last championship.

Knicks haven't been tanking. They just haven't been winning games. There's a difference. This doesn't preclude the team from taking advantage of this historic losing. Now they can actually just let things play out and perhaps accelerate the Losing by actually Tanking, which they hadn't really been trying to do.

I really am getting tired of the media trying to push the narrative that Phil is already failing which is just STUPID!!! Phil really does have every opportunity to build the team he wants. It's not like he made Dolan type trades and has no cap space or he gave away picks. Quite the contrary Phil added picks and youth to be developed. It may not be showing any promise just yet but it's INSANELY early in the process to be making any kind of determination.

What happens if Phil does make some additional moves that lead to more picks or a good asset for the future? What if he makes an excellent draft pick selection? We won't know for months what he's able to do in Free Agency, but he'll have options. It's hard to be optimistic amidst all this losing but really there is a lot to look forward to in terms of changes to this team. THIS TEAM WILL CHANGE this summer. That much we can be sure of. Hard to imagine that it won't get much better than this going forward.

Phil revamped half of the roster, and actually called it a playoff team, as of now he has failed. The cap space you speak of is not by Phil's doing...it was already there, but Phil actually ADDED salary by trading for calderon....so currently he has less cap space.

He also has forfeited two draft picks, both second rounders....one for Acy which had protections, and a 2nd to dump Outlaw on Philly.

Phil would probably trade a 1st as well if he had one available before 2018.

What Phil WILL find out this summer is that players arent impressed with the triangle as it is outdated, and seeing it has been a colossal faliure with this team....the good players arent gonna be a part of that life.

Phil major mistake will be pushing the triangle down players throats.

We don't know what players will think about playing for Phil in the Triangle. The Triangle hasn't been a failure here, it's been the role players who have failed. When they've actually run the system properly it works. In addition we have to imagine that Phil will show Free Agents how they'll fit in this system by showing his MANY championship teams running it the right way and where they would also be able to excel in the same roles. If it's a big he can just show tons of footage of his past bigs and how they thrived in the system. If it's a SF/SG he can show the same things with his SF and SG's who have excelled. Free Agents will all have an ego and think they can be the next Kobe, MJ, Pau or Shaq.

No Free Agent thinks he's in the same bottom of the barrel as many of the players on the current roster. Melo and STAT are actually playing fairly well in the system in terms of overall production. It could be said that Melo would be better if not for the injury. IMO it wouldn't take much to assuage a FA's fears about playing in the Triangle versus the low end players we have now. Not even Naysayers like Barkley think it can't work at all, but rather that you have to have better players, with solid fundamental skills, which is true of any system but even more so with the Triangle.

I think Phil is focused on getting the right kind of players for how he wants the team to play going forward. You can tell with the fill ins and young prospects he's been targeting already that he is looking for a certain type of player that has skills which will work in the Triangle. We'll know more about that with his future additions including the draft.

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knickscity wrote:
nixluva wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Who gives a ****, keep tanking.

Smartest thing these idiots have done since their last championship.

Knicks haven't been tanking. They just haven't been winning games. There's a difference. This doesn't preclude the team from taking advantage of this historic losing. Now they can actually just let things play out and perhaps accelerate the Losing by actually Tanking, which they hadn't really been trying to do.

I really am getting tired of the media trying to push the narrative that Phil is already failing which is just STUPID!!! Phil really does have every opportunity to build the team he wants. It's not like he made Dolan type trades and has no cap space or he gave away picks. Quite the contrary Phil added picks and youth to be developed. It may not be showing any promise just yet but it's INSANELY early in the process to be making any kind of determination.

What happens if Phil does make some additional moves that lead to more picks or a good asset for the future? What if he makes an excellent draft pick selection? We won't know for months what he's able to do in Free Agency, but he'll have options. It's hard to be optimistic amidst all this losing but really there is a lot to look forward to in terms of changes to this team. THIS TEAM WILL CHANGE this summer. That much we can be sure of. Hard to imagine that it won't get much better than this going forward.

Phil revamped half of the roster, and actually called it a playoff team, as of now he has failed. The cap space you speak of is not by Phil's doing...it was already there, but Phil actually ADDED salary by trading for calderon....so currently he has less cap space.

He also has forfeited two draft picks, both second rounders....one for Acy which had protections, and a 2nd to dump Outlaw on Philly.

Phil would probably trade a 1st as well if he had one available before 2018.

What Phil WILL find out this summer is that players arent impressed with the triangle as it is outdated, and seeing it has been a colossal faliure with this team....the good players arent gonna be a part of that life.

Phil major mistake will be pushing the triangle down players throats.

We don't know what players will think about playing for Phil in the Triangle. The Triangle hasn't been a failure here, it's been the role players who have failed. When they've actually run the system properly it works. In addition we have to imagine that Phil will show Free Agents how they'll fit in this system by showing his MANY championship teams running it the right way and where they would also be able to excel in the same roles. If it's a big he can just show tons of footage of his past bigs and how they thrived in the system. If it's a SF/SG he can show the same things with his SF and SG's who have excelled. Free Agents will all have an ego and think they can be the next Kobe, MJ, Pau or Shaq.

No Free Agent thinks he's in the same bottom of the barrel as many of the players on the current roster. Melo and STAT are actually playing fairly well in the system in terms of overall production. It could be said that Melo would be better if not for the injury. IMO it wouldn't take much to assuage a FA's fears about playing in the Triangle versus the low end players we have now. Not even Naysayers like Barkley think it can't work at all, but rather that you have to have better players, with solid fundamental skills, which is true of any system but even more so with the Triangle.

I think Phil is focused on getting the right kind of players for how he wants the team to play going forward. You can tell with the fill ins and young prospects he's been targeting already that he is looking for a certain type of player that has skills which will work in the Triangle. We'll know more about that with his future additions including the draft.


Phil's team is 17 games behind the peaked Raptors

Danny Ainge's Celtics who traded away their best player currently 8th seed


Phil's team is 8gms behind the Celtics

Philly hellbent on getting in our way of being the worst in the East

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