TPercy wrote:The players I would keep, are either very hard workers on the team even if they are making peanuts or people with a good knowledge of the triangle that they can carry out to the next season.
I would keep:
Larkin- Works hard for rebounds/steals. potential consistent 3.(might not stay though since we did not pick up his option)
THJR- potential all star in NBA. We've seen he can be unselfish.can drive to the hoop needs to be more consistent with jumper and of course work on his horrible D.
Acy- He is a beast.
Alrich- he has shown he can be a 10+ and 10+ player when given 30+ minutes. defence isnt bad and is competant on offensive end.
Wear- works hard on defence, even though Butler punished him you could see he was making him work. His jumper is somewhat consistent and good things always happen when he is on the floor.
Amare(debatable)- so many ups and downs i don't know where to begin.
Melo on limited minutes(debatable) a top 5 scorer in the NBA who I see doing well on controlled minutes;however, could we get some decent players and picks if we traded him to benefit our team going forward? He hasn't greatly influenced our team when he is playing so would it matter if he was traded?
Early-(debatable) havent seen too much of him so can't say much

I still have no clue why folks are still high on THjr. The shooting mechanics are lovely but he has massively long stretches where he does nothing. Sub par at EVERY facet of the game. Right now he's a bench player on an uptempo team. Nice in transition. He can get hot and score in bunches, follows up every tantalizing game (like last night) with a 2-10, 3-9 and 1-7 three game shooting effort.

I would love to be wrong on him but thats what I see at this point.

fishmike wrote:

TPercy wrote:The players I would keep, are either very hard workers on the team even if they are making peanuts or people with a good knowledge of the triangle that they can carry out to the next season.
I would keep:
Larkin- Works hard for rebounds/steals. potential consistent 3.(might not stay though since we did not pick up his option)
THJR- potential all star in NBA. We've seen he can be unselfish.can drive to the hoop needs to be more consistent with jumper and of course work on his horrible D.
Acy- He is a beast.
Alrich- he has shown he can be a 10+ and 10+ player when given 30+ minutes. defence isnt bad and is competant on offensive end.
Wear- works hard on defence, even though Butler punished him you could see he was making him work. His jumper is somewhat consistent and good things always happen when he is on the floor.
Amare(debatable)- so many ups and downs i don't know where to begin.
Melo on limited minutes(debatable) a top 5 scorer in the NBA who I see doing well on controlled minutes;however, could we get some decent players and picks if we traded him to benefit our team going forward? He hasn't greatly influenced our team when he is playing so would it matter if he was traded?
Early-(debatable) havent seen too much of him so can't say much

I think they think they can draft someone to replace Larkin or groom a d league guy. The other you named will be back because you have to fill the roster salary wise they are bottom dwellers.

I still have no clue why folks are still high on THjr. The shooting mechanics are lovely but he has massively long stretches where he does nothing. Sub par at EVERY facet of the game. Right now he's a bench player on an uptempo team. Nice in transition. He can get hot and score in bunches, follows up every tantalizing game (like last night) with a 2-10, 3-9 and 1-7 three game shooting effort.

I would love to be wrong on him but thats what I see at this point.

I'm with you on Tim Jr- I just can't click with his game. He's a streaky chucker who does little (if anything) else and he is selfish. Other players get mercilessly blasted for it while he gets praise.

Fortunately he's getting the Knick fan demi-sophomore pass right now (It only lasts halfway in to young Knicks sophomore seasons), but by the end of this season people will have turned on him, be saying how he hasn't developed or improved at all- that he's actually regressed, and that we've left it too late to trade him- we should have traded him while his value was at it's highest (this argument gets flipped if we actually trade him at the deadline, at which point exactly the same people will insist that we traded him too soon, and that his value is only going to increase).

Vmart wrote:THJ is a keeper. He isn't that bad at defense over exaggeration by board members.

He is bad though... he's shown the ability and the drive to want to get better. He has his own will to compete and that alone is half the battle. I think he needs to continue developing with the Knicks. I believe his defense will get respectable as the years go by. When he learns how to work the game to his advantage, that's when he will evolve into that borderline all star type of player. I believe he's on that path.

I personally can't get behind any other player on the roster. I do like Wear and Acy, but they need to make things happen. They both seem content with just being out there. They have to play the game not play off of their "stars". You gotta want it. Neither had really proven that they want to be a nba player consistently enough.

Vmart wrote:THJ is a keeper. He isn't that bad at defense over exaggeration by board members.

Why would you not keep a two year young promising guard around is baffling to me. Those same folks who want to castrate THJ are the same who want the Knicks to tank and acquire another young player that they will not have the patience to let develop

I'd dump Bargnani. Buy him out and ask him to send me the name of the team he signs with in China.

I'd also try and trade Shump- and quite honestly, I might just release him outright to be free of the distraction.

Same with JR. Eat his salary and send him on his way. It might actually make a statement to the guys still here.

TPercy wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

Vmart wrote:THJ is a keeper. He isn't that bad at defense over exaggeration by board members.

Why would you not keep a two year young promising guard around is baffling to me. Those same folks who want to castrate THJ are the same who want the Knicks to tank and acquire another young player that they will not have the patience to let develop

EXACTLY!

so embracing a losing season knowing it may yield franchise caliber talent is the same as calling out a low first round pick with a very average skill set as being... average? One has ZILCH to do the with the other, unless your pissed because you think THjr is a future star and just needs time. Thats a fine opinion to have. One I just dont share.

Evaluating a player who is nothing but inconsistent in very way as not being a future building piece does not equate to impatience. Who's castrating him? He was the 24th pick in the draft. He's playing like a guy who got picked about 24. Most guys that late dont make it past their rookie contracts.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

TPercy wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

Vmart wrote:THJ is a keeper. He isn't that bad at defense over exaggeration by board members.

Why would you not keep a two year young promising guard around is baffling to me. Those same folks who want to castrate THJ are the same who want the Knicks to tank and acquire another young player that they will not have the patience to let develop

EXACTLY!

so embracing a losing season knowing it may yield franchise caliber talent is the same as calling out a low first round pick with a very average skill set as being... average? One has ZILCH to do the with the other, unless your pissed because you think THjr is a future star and just needs time. Thats a fine opinion to have. One I just dont share.

Evaluating a player who is nothing but inconsistent in very way as not being a future building piece does not equate to impatience. Who's castrating him? He was the 24th pick in the draft. He's playing like a guy who got picked about 24. Most guys that late dont make it past their rookie contracts.

to be honest fish other than melo you dont like anyone

But yea... if we are talking quality NBA talent there is really one guy on the roster, and even that one guy has a his own big set of flaws and aint no spring chicken.

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

TPercy wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

Vmart wrote:THJ is a keeper. He isn't that bad at defense over exaggeration by board members.

Why would you not keep a two year young promising guard around is baffling to me. Those same folks who want to castrate THJ are the same who want the Knicks to tank and acquire another young player that they will not have the patience to let develop

EXACTLY!

so embracing a losing season knowing it may yield franchise caliber talent is the same as calling out a low first round pick with a very average skill set as being... average? One has ZILCH to do the with the other, unless your pissed because you think THjr is a future star and just needs time. Thats a fine opinion to have. One I just dont share.

Evaluating a player who is nothing but inconsistent in very way as not being a future building piece does not equate to impatience. Who's castrating him? He was the 24th pick in the draft. He's playing like a guy who got picked about 24. Most guys that late dont make it past their rookie contracts.

to be honest fish other than melo you dont like anyone

I liked Larkin. I like THjr for the cost but dont see him as a big part of any future rotation until proven otherwise. There hasnt been a player to really get excited about around here in years. Lee was probably my last. Gallo showed glimpses but is a bust and a joke and by the time he got traded it was like who cares. Probably Mosgov was the last Knick I really *liked* since we are "being honest"

But yea... if we are talking quality NBA talent there is really one guy on the roster, and even that one guy has a his own big set of flaws and aint no spring chicken.

He will only prve otherwise with CONSISTENT playing time. The first 20 games, he did not know where his minutes were coming from, but the injuries to Shump and JR, fisher has no choice but to use him. He is slumping with his shot, but WE have realized that he is also attacking the basket to get his numbers. He needs to cut down his many three point attempts, but the COACH needs to step in and coach the kid.

Knicks1969 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

TPercy wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

Vmart wrote:THJ is a keeper. He isn't that bad at defense over exaggeration by board members.

Why would you not keep a two year young promising guard around is baffling to me. Those same folks who want to castrate THJ are the same who want the Knicks to tank and acquire another young player that they will not have the patience to let develop

EXACTLY!

so embracing a losing season knowing it may yield franchise caliber talent is the same as calling out a low first round pick with a very average skill set as being... average? One has ZILCH to do the with the other, unless your pissed because you think THjr is a future star and just needs time. Thats a fine opinion to have. One I just dont share.

Evaluating a player who is nothing but inconsistent in very way as not being a future building piece does not equate to impatience. Who's castrating him? He was the 24th pick in the draft. He's playing like a guy who got picked about 24. Most guys that late dont make it past their rookie contracts.

to be honest fish other than melo you dont like anyone

I liked Larkin. I like THjr for the cost but dont see him as a big part of any future rotation until proven otherwise. There hasnt been a player to really get excited about around here in years. Lee was probably my last. Gallo showed glimpses but is a bust and a joke and by the time he got traded it was like who cares. Probably Mosgov was the last Knick I really *liked* since we are "being honest"

But yea... if we are talking quality NBA talent there is really one guy on the roster, and even that one guy has a his own big set of flaws and aint no spring chicken.

He will only prve otherwise with CONSISTENT playing time. The first 20 games, he did not know where his minutes were coming from, but the injuries to Shump and JR, fisher has no choice but to use him. He is slumping with his shot, but WE have realized that he is also attacking the basket to get his numbers. He needs to cut down his many three point attempts, but the COACH needs to step in and coach the kid.

This coach is dying for any consistent guard play. Closest was 3 good weeks of shooting from Shump. Then he fell back to who he is. These guys arent good. Stop blaming coaches.