F500ONE wrote:

Splat wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Or maybe he was convinced by Phil that he could make more money and win a title in NY. Phil played a role in Melo coming back.

Phil minus $124M = No deal and buh bye NYC. Phil stroked Melo and made him feel better about taking the paycheck, but he was taking that money whether it was Phil talking or Mr. Magoo.

So, NO, Phil was not a factor at all. He was just a cherry on top.

Melo would have taken $124mil of blood money from Judas Iscariot

As would maybe the greater majority of other athletes but I think

We all need to see how culpable Phil is in all of this

Who has now been overpowered by Zen opposition and has turned full blown enabler

I SEE TRIANGLES

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

F500ONE wrote:The main premise of this thread was to question

Why Melo "feels it's okay to rebuild here while on his dime"

He left Denver happy but didn't want to do it there

When that team proved they could if the stars aligned right

Get close to the promise land

The dude is inexplicably selfish and stupid beyond

2004 43-39
2005 49-33
2006 44-38
2007 45-37
2008 50-32
2009 54-28
2010 53-29
2011 29-21

2011 14-14
2012 36-30
2013 54-28
2014 37-45
2015 24-58

looks to me like he hurt his own chances at success on the court by forcing his way here, and ruined his future on the court by "accepting" the max contract "offered" to him after some "soul searching."

fortunately he wasn't banking on winning on the court since he didn't have faith that he could, so the next best thing-- if not THE best thing-- was to leave no money on the table and make himself into a "digital athlete."

Interesting. Now Melo is getting credit for making the smart decision. I wonder what Phil's goal is as he played a major role in Melo coming back.

no his decision was the opposite of smart-- it was the essence of:

1) weak-mindedness (i can't win because i am not good enough so i might as well make as much money as possible and cry all the way to the bank)

2) a weak-will (i don't have what it takes to win a title so i might as well get as much money as possible and buffer myself from this reality)

3) cowardice (i don't want to lose millions without feeling certain i can win a title and i don't have the self-confidence to make that decision)

Or maybe he was convinced by Phil that he could make more money and win a title in NY. Phil played a role in Melo coming back.

did he really though? or did phil ask him to do one thing-- take a substantial paycut-- and melo did "exactly what he was sort of asked to do?"

F500ONE wrote:

dk7th wrote:

F500ONE wrote:DK kind of like sitting out vs the Bulls because of some mythical shot knee

But then coming back 2 days later only to put up 19FGA and 26FGA and playing 40/40min

Nothing like Phil Jackson enabling a loser while throwing the team

Under the bus as losers in mentality but then again how does the rotting process go

from the head down, 5 hunnit

Has it been too difficult to identify the head?

I'm pretty much past Dolan at this point

He's a scumbag but he has relented and done what most

Would prefer he do, hand the team over and disappear

Now we're worse than LB[boy was he right about this environment] Knicks

Not by design though, which is so sad///// I think Phil brought in 9 different

Players this yr so it's his team and he'll shuffle the deck again, no stability

Very short sell outside of money, in which he'll be in heavy competition with

Can't wait for him to write a book in about 5yrs where he truth tells

As of of now he's sold the least amount of lemon luxury vehicles compared to previous regimes

i would love to lay 100% of the blame at jackson's feet but it's the phrasing of that damned statement that gets me:

"melo did exactly what we sort of asked him to do." who is "we" if not dolan's involvement and what does "sort of" mean if not dolan's involvement?

i can't see past that phraseology.

dk7th wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

dk7th wrote:

F500ONE wrote:DK kind of like sitting out vs the Bulls because of some mythical shot knee

But then coming back 2 days later only to put up 19FGA and 26FGA and playing 40/40min

Nothing like Phil Jackson enabling a loser while throwing the team

Under the bus as losers in mentality but then again how does the rotting process go

from the head down, 5 hunnit

Has it been too difficult to identify the head?

I'm pretty much past Dolan at this point

He's a scumbag but he has relented and done what most

Would prefer he do, hand the team over and disappear

Now we're worse than LB[boy was he right about this environment] Knicks

Not by design though, which is so sad///// I think Phil brought in 9 different

Players this yr so it's his team and he'll shuffle the deck again, no stability

Very short sell outside of money, in which he'll be in heavy competition with

Can't wait for him to write a book in about 5yrs where he truth tells

As of of now he's sold the least amount of lemon luxury vehicles compared to previous regimes

i would love to lay 100% of the blame at jackson's feet but it's the phrasing of that damned statement that gets me:

"melo did exactly what we sort of asked him to do." who is "we" if not dolan's involvement and what does "sort of" mean if not dolan's involvement?

i can't see past that phraseology.

Well this gets to the crux of why Phil took this job

Because like Melo the money was a Vice Lord

Melo did as he saw others do before him and

What he was accustomed to doing and Phil

Has been lording over this team the platitudes of culture change

He retained the #1 deterrent to said change reluctantly, so who had who by the gonads

dk7th wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

dk7th wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

dk7th wrote:

F500ONE wrote:DK kind of like sitting out vs the Bulls because of some mythical shot knee

But then coming back 2 days later only to put up 19FGA and 26FGA and playing 40/40min

Nothing like Phil Jackson enabling a loser while throwing the team

Under the bus as losers in mentality but then again how does the rotting process go

from the head down, 5 hunnit

Has it been too difficult to identify the head?

I'm pretty much past Dolan at this point

He's a scumbag but he has relented and done what most

Would prefer he do, hand the team over and disappear

Now we're worse than LB[boy was he right about this environment] Knicks

Not by design though, which is so sad///// I think Phil brought in 9 different

Players this yr so it's his team and he'll shuffle the deck again, no stability

Very short sell outside of money, in which he'll be in heavy competition with

Can't wait for him to write a book in about 5yrs where he truth tells

As of of now he's sold the least amount of lemon luxury vehicles compared to previous regimes

i would love to lay 100% of the blame at jackson's feet but it's the phrasing of that damned statement that gets me:

"melo did exactly what we sort of asked him to do." who is "we" if not dolan's involvement and what does "sort of" mean if not dolan's involvement?

i can't see past that phraseology.

Well this gets to the crux of why Phil took this job

Because like Melo the money was a Vice Lord

Melo did as he saw others do before him and

What he was accustomed to doing and Phil

Has been lording over this team the platitudes of culture change

He retained the #1 deterrent to said change reluctantly, so who had who by the gonads

ok that is persuasive, however there is really only one out which is that this was to be a "rebuilding year" just like walsh's first two seasons were going to be "competitive"...

Right it's not what Phil says but what Melo says

And he's been preaching rebuilding since after his 1st yr of arrival

Nice to know Melo is saving Phil from himself

Can Melo get Phil to stop trading away picks or better yet acquire more