Nalod wrote:Melo is Not Marbury who talked about "his money", but I'd rather not read him talking about "his money".
Seems like many of you go freaking crazy hating on him because of his salary.
For that kind of scratch he should get cats out of the tree and save little old ladies from burning apartment buildings.

You just don't get it, do you?

Melo is a lousy basketball player to spend the money we did on him. The criticisms have largely been about overpaying a one-dimensional ball hog just as he is about to go into physical decline.

He belongs on an already equipped team with good defensive bigs and distributors so he can chuck and let them do the heavy lifting.

Everyone and their grandmother knows he wasn't going to turn down the money. That's on the club. Always has been. Sure, Melo said he'd help out on cap spacing, which was BS as it amounted to about as much as a queef from a zoo chimp, but he has every right to take all the money he can get. Nobody cares.

What people care about is Melo is a dikhead and this club will go nowhere with him, so trade him while you've got a shot or it is Amare 2.0.

Deja Vu stares some people in the face and they still can't see history about to repeat itself.

Lebron James networth = $270mil

Tim Duncan networth = $150mil

Tony Parker networth = $75mil

Manu Ginobli networth = $45mil

Dirk Novitzki networth = $120mil

Dwyane Wade networth = $95mil

Chris Bosh networth = $50mil

Dwight Howard = $100mil

Kevin Garnett networth = $180mil

Paul Pierce networth = $70mil

Scottie Pippen networth = $50mil

Carmelo Anthony networth = $80mil

Splat wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Splat wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Splat wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:Scotty Pippen is broke..How many rings would he give up for the 50 mil folks wanted Melo to give up by going to Chicago??..I would say all of his rings..

Hey Scotty, you are a great guy, you weren't greedy..

do you have any idea how stupid this sounds?

Asking a stupid person if they know they sound stupid is kind of stupid

the rhetorical rule of attrition states that i need not care how stupid i appear for asking the question if it succeeds in driving the point home.

So the valor of your stupidity attributions
Persist in the midst of hammering attrition
Wherein the vapidity of the subjects addressed
Being incapable of being educated or confessed
Makes you a battering ram by your own volition

Your post wreaks of Digital Criminology

Don't trip through the wires here, breaking news could develop any moment

On cyber danger//// the gall, gumption, and provocativeness in which you post

Can only be stored in barrels 3rd world style

Forensics is for uncouth types
Who parse through loyalist tripe
Like signals from codes unknown
Which synonymous reference has shown
Same as lurking with contemptuous gripes

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:Scotty Pippen is broke..How many rings would he give up for the 50 mil folks wanted Melo to give up by going to Chicago??..I would say all of his rings..

Hey Scotty, you are a great guy, you weren't greedy..

do you have any idea how stupid this sounds?

No please tell me oh enlightened one...Who walks away from 50 mil..Not even you..

do you need yet another lesson in orders of magnitude/powers of ten? when you make 220 million dollars over a career, making 50 million dollars less means you are left with a paltry 170 million dollars... but you have a ring, maybe two. BFD

thought experiment skippy: you are 35 years old with a ring or two, having taken a 50 million dollar paycut-- and have *only* 110 million dollars after paying the government. then you give a million dollars away to 10 of your closest friends. then another 5 million to your mother. another 10 million you put in a trust for your child, which is managed for 8 years until college and then maybe another five years afterwards.

how in the world will you survive on the remaining 85 million over the next 50 years?

i know: it's an impossible situation, living on $1,700,000 a year with no hope of investing and having no form of gainful employment. heck the interest alone-- for doing nothing-- is $50,000.

given that stark reality i would have major problems leaving 50 million on the table.

Other than Dwight, who has given up that money.
And Dwight went to a state without income tax so he makes up some of that bank just from that. Also, who has given up that money when an icon has come in and taken over the franchise and said you can make that extra 50 mil and I will put you in a position to win a championship. Is Dwight the poster child for taking less?

Dirk, Duncan, Lebron, Ginobili, Parker. They're all signed for much less than they could have gotten. Lebron has a $42 mil contract but I'm sure the Heat would have given him the 5 year max, which would be about $70 mil more.

Buy it is being speculated that Lebron signed his seal so that he could cash in and get more money when the new tv deal goes through. Dirk and Duncan took less in the later stages if their careers. They were still getting paid at 29-30. If melo at 36 takes 11 mil he wound be following their lead. He isn't there yet.

There are plenty of counterarguments to your replies - "late stage" just means less time to earn more money, especially in most these players' cases when their current contracts will give them total career earnings below Melo's. Or they could have career ending injuries, and did take risks leaving money on the table even if there exists the possibility that they'll earn more later (Lebron). I'm not coming up with anything original here. I'm sure you've heard these arguments before. No one was holding a gun to Melo's head to make him the highest paid player on the planet, and plenty of people have left far more money on the table, even when their current contracts give them less total earnings than Melo will have.

All you asked for is examples of people leaving $50 mil on the table and I gave them. Of course, you'll explain away each example, but then why ask for the examples? It sounds like you really want an example where (a) someone left at least $50 mil on the table and (b) there is no possible way in this universe that he could ever earn that money back. Obviously no one can ever find a way to satisfy point b.

CAn you provide examples of guys 29-30 that took 1/2 of what they could be paid. Duncan made over 21 mil when he was 36. Dirk made Dirk made 22 mil last year and just turned 35. Dwight is the only guy that I can come up with and he does make up some of the money playing in a non income tax state.

Lebron

Lebron will actually make more doing what he's doing- he'll opt out once the cap has sky rocketed and end up getting paid way more than if he'd signed a 5 year deal with the heat.

AK-47 opted out of more money, to sign for a 3 year deal (for less) with a supposed contender- does anyone actually think that was a smart decision in hindsight (assume there is no under the table deal?) Or are the Melo critics now arguing that by acquiring Melo the Bulls would be a guaranteed championship team? Is Melo a championship calibre player in their eyes now? I thought he was a career loser.

Sorry I'm confused now- according to the Melo critics, he should have taken less money to not win a championship with the Bulls (because he is a cancer, loser, etc).

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:Scotty Pippen is broke..How many rings would he give up for the 50 mil folks wanted Melo to give up by going to Chicago??..I would say all of his rings..

Hey Scotty, you are a great guy, you weren't greedy..

do you have any idea how stupid this sounds?

No please tell me oh enlightened one...Who walks away from 50 mil..Not even you..

do you need yet another lesson in orders of magnitude/powers of ten? when you make 220 million dollars over a career, making 50 million dollars less means you are left with a paltry 170 million dollars... but you have a ring, maybe two. BFD

thought experiment skippy: you are 35 years old with a ring or two, having taken a 50 million dollar paycut-- and have *only* 110 million dollars after paying the government. then you give a million dollars away to 10 of your closest friends. then another 5 million to your mother. another 10 million you put in a trust for your child, which is managed for 8 years until college and then maybe another five years afterwards.

how in the world will you survive on the remaining 85 million over the next 50 years?

i know: it's an impossible situation, living on $1,700,000 a year with no hope of investing and having no form of gainful employment. heck the interest alone-- for doing nothing-- is $50,000.

given that stark reality i would have major problems leaving 50 million on the table.

Other than Dwight, who has given up that money.
And Dwight went to a state without income tax so he makes up some of that bank just from that. Also, who has given up that money when an icon has come in and taken over the franchise and said you can make that extra 50 mil and I will put you in a position to win a championship. Is Dwight the poster child for taking less?

Dirk, Duncan, Lebron, Ginobili, Parker. They're all signed for much less than they could have gotten. Lebron has a $42 mil contract but I'm sure the Heat would have given him the 5 year max, which would be about $70 mil more.

Buy it is being speculated that Lebron signed his seal so that he could cash in and get more money when the new tv deal goes through. Dirk and Duncan took less in the later stages if their careers. They were still getting paid at 29-30. If melo at 36 takes 11 mil he wound be following their lead. He isn't there yet.

There are plenty of counterarguments to your replies - "late stage" just means less time to earn more money, especially in most these players' cases when their current contracts will give them total career earnings below Melo's. Or they could have career ending injuries, and did take risks leaving money on the table even if there exists the possibility that they'll earn more later (Lebron). I'm not coming up with anything original here. I'm sure you've heard these arguments before. No one was holding a gun to Melo's head to make him the highest paid player on the planet, and plenty of people have left far more money on the table, even when their current contracts give them less total earnings than Melo will have.

All you asked for is examples of people leaving $50 mil on the table and I gave them. Of course, you'll explain away each example, but then why ask for the examples? It sounds like you really want an example where (a) someone left at least $50 mil on the table and (b) there is no possible way in this universe that he could ever earn that money back. Obviously no one can ever find a way to satisfy point b.

CAn you provide examples of guys 29-30 that took 1/2 of what they could be paid. Duncan made over 21 mil when he was 36. Dirk made Dirk made 22 mil last year and just turned 35. Dwight is the only guy that I can come up with and he does make up some of the money playing in a non income tax state.

Lebron

Lebron will actually make more doing what he's doing- he'll opt out once the cap has sky rocketed and end up getting paid way more than if he'd signed a 5 year deal with the heat.

AK-47 opted out of more money, to sign for a 3 year deal (for less) with a supposed contender- does anyone actually think that was a smart decision in hindsight (assume there is no under the table deal?) Or are the Melo critics now arguing that by acquiring Melo the Bulls would be a guaranteed championship team? Is Melo a championship calibre player in their eyes now? I thought he was a career loser.

Sorry I'm confused now- according to the Melo critics, he should have taken less money to not win a championship with the Bulls (because he is a cancer, loser, etc).

So the player is either too old to count (like Duncan and Dirk) or too young to count (because he'll make up the money in the next CBA)?!
For the record, I'm not angry with Melo for the contract he signed - maybe disappointed but not angry. Phil and/or Dolan are really the ones who put instant money ahead of long-term winning.

Who is the player that is too you g to count. That guy doesn't exist other than Dwight.

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:Scotty Pippen is broke..How many rings would he give up for the 50 mil folks wanted Melo to give up by going to Chicago??..I would say all of his rings..

Hey Scotty, you are a great guy, you weren't greedy..

do you have any idea how stupid this sounds?

No please tell me oh enlightened one...Who walks away from 50 mil..Not even you..

do you need yet another lesson in orders of magnitude/powers of ten? when you make 220 million dollars over a career, making 50 million dollars less means you are left with a paltry 170 million dollars... but you have a ring, maybe two. BFD

thought experiment skippy: you are 35 years old with a ring or two, having taken a 50 million dollar paycut-- and have *only* 110 million dollars after paying the government. then you give a million dollars away to 10 of your closest friends. then another 5 million to your mother. another 10 million you put in a trust for your child, which is managed for 8 years until college and then maybe another five years afterwards.

how in the world will you survive on the remaining 85 million over the next 50 years?

i know: it's an impossible situation, living on $1,700,000 a year with no hope of investing and having no form of gainful employment. heck the interest alone-- for doing nothing-- is $50,000.

given that stark reality i would have major problems leaving 50 million on the table.

Other than Dwight, who has given up that money.
And Dwight went to a state without income tax so he makes up some of that bank just from that. Also, who has given up that money when an icon has come in and taken over the franchise and said you can make that extra 50 mil and I will put you in a position to win a championship. Is Dwight the poster child for taking less?

Dirk, Duncan, Lebron, Ginobili, Parker. They're all signed for much less than they could have gotten. Lebron has a $42 mil contract but I'm sure the Heat would have given him the 5 year max, which would be about $70 mil more.

Buy it is being speculated that Lebron signed his seal so that he could cash in and get more money when the new tv deal goes through. Dirk and Duncan took less in the later stages if their careers. They were still getting paid at 29-30. If melo at 36 takes 11 mil he wound be following their lead. He isn't there yet.

There are plenty of counterarguments to your replies - "late stage" just means less time to earn more money, especially in most these players' cases when their current contracts will give them total career earnings below Melo's. Or they could have career ending injuries, and did take risks leaving money on the table even if there exists the possibility that they'll earn more later (Lebron). I'm not coming up with anything original here. I'm sure you've heard these arguments before. No one was holding a gun to Melo's head to make him the highest paid player on the planet, and plenty of people have left far more money on the table, even when their current contracts give them less total earnings than Melo will have.

All you asked for is examples of people leaving $50 mil on the table and I gave them. Of course, you'll explain away each example, but then why ask for the examples? It sounds like you really want an example where (a) someone left at least $50 mil on the table and (b) there is no possible way in this universe that he could ever earn that money back. Obviously no one can ever find a way to satisfy point b.

CAn you provide examples of guys 29-30 that took 1/2 of what they could be paid. Duncan made over 21 mil when he was 36. Dirk made Dirk made 22 mil last year and just turned 35. Dwight is the only guy that I can come up with and he does make up some of the money playing in a non income tax state.

Lebron

Lebron will actually make more doing what he's doing- he'll opt out once the cap has sky rocketed and end up getting paid way more than if he'd signed a 5 year deal with the heat.

AK-47 opted out of more money, to sign for a 3 year deal (for less) with a supposed contender- does anyone actually think that was a smart decision in hindsight (assume there is no under the table deal?) Or are the Melo critics now arguing that by acquiring Melo the Bulls would be a guaranteed championship team? Is Melo a championship calibre player in their eyes now? I thought he was a career loser.

Sorry I'm confused now- according to the Melo critics, he should have taken less money to not win a championship with the Bulls (because he is a cancer, loser, etc).

So the player is either too old to count (like Duncan and Dirk) or too young to count (because he'll make up the money in the next CBA)?!
For the record, I'm not angry with Melo for the contract he signed - maybe disappointed but not angry. Phil and/or Dolan are really the ones who put instant money ahead of long-term winning.

Who is the player that is too you g to count. That guy doesn't exist other than Dwight.

F500ONE wrote:The main premise of this thread was to question

Why Melo "feels it's okay to rebuild here while on his dime"

He left Denver happy but didn't want to do it there

When that team proved they could if the stars aligned right

Get close to the promise land

The dude is inexplicably selfish and stupid beyond

2004 43-39
2005 49-33
2006 44-38
2007 45-37
2008 50-32
2009 54-28
2010 53-29
2011 29-21

2011 14-14
2012 36-30
2013 54-28
2014 37-45
2015 24-58

looks to me like he hurt his own chances at success on the court by forcing his way here, and ruined his future on the court by "accepting" the max contract "offered" to him after some "soul searching."

fortunately he wasn't banking on winning on the court since he didn't have faith that he could, so the next best thing-- if not THE best thing-- was to leave no money on the table and make himself into a "digital athlete."

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

F500ONE wrote:The main premise of this thread was to question

Why Melo "feels it's okay to rebuild here while on his dime"

He left Denver happy but didn't want to do it there

When that team proved they could if the stars aligned right

Get close to the promise land

The dude is inexplicably selfish and stupid beyond

2004 43-39
2005 49-33
2006 44-38
2007 45-37
2008 50-32
2009 54-28
2010 53-29
2011 29-21

2011 14-14
2012 36-30
2013 54-28
2014 37-45
2015 24-58

looks to me like he hurt his own chances at success on the court by forcing his way here, and ruined his future on the court by "accepting" the max contract "offered" to him after some "soul searching."

fortunately he wasn't banking on winning on the court since he didn't have faith that he could, so the next best thing-- if not THE best thing-- was to leave no money on the table and make himself into a "digital athlete."

Interesting. Now Melo is getting credit for making the smart decision. I wonder what Phil's goal is as he played a major role in Melo coming back.

no his decision was the opposite of smart-- it was the essence of:

1) weak-mindedness (i can't win because i am not good enough so i might as well make as much money as possible and cry all the way to the bank)

2) a weak-will (i don't have what it takes to win a title so i might as well get as much money as possible and buffer myself from this reality)

3) cowardice (i don't want to lose millions without feeling certain i can win a title and i don't have the self-confidence to make that decision)

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

F500ONE wrote:The main premise of this thread was to question

Why Melo "feels it's okay to rebuild here while on his dime"

He left Denver happy but didn't want to do it there

When that team proved they could if the stars aligned right

Get close to the promise land

The dude is inexplicably selfish and stupid beyond

2004 43-39
2005 49-33
2006 44-38
2007 45-37
2008 50-32
2009 54-28
2010 53-29
2011 29-21

2011 14-14
2012 36-30
2013 54-28
2014 37-45
2015 24-58

looks to me like he hurt his own chances at success on the court by forcing his way here, and ruined his future on the court by "accepting" the max contract "offered" to him after some "soul searching."

fortunately he wasn't banking on winning on the court since he didn't have faith that he could, so the next best thing-- if not THE best thing-- was to leave no money on the table and make himself into a "digital athlete."

Interesting. Now Melo is getting credit for making the smart decision. I wonder what Phil's goal is as he played a major role in Melo coming back.

no his decision was the opposite of smart-- it was the essence of:

1) weak-mindedness (i can't win because i am not good enough so i might as well make as much money as possible and cry all the way to the bank)

2) a weak-will (i don't have what it takes to win a title so i might as well get as much money as possible and buffer myself from this reality)

3) cowardice (i don't want to lose millions without feeling certain i can win a title and i don't have the self-confidence to make that decision)