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BRIGGS
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6/10/2004  3:43 PM
these are the players who we will more likely be looking at anyway.

many of the name players like sato paulding etc.. are a lot smaller than you would want.

the guy i liked, andre emmitt measured out at 6.35 w/o shoes 6.45 with 217 pounds.


a couple of covets

two interesting players that have not been mentioned nate robinson the 5-8 PG from washington who has a 45 inch vertical lift i.e he can dunk it at his size with explosive force and also runs a 4.4 40. He's like an earl boykins but faster with more power and explosion. eveidently he has been the star player in the camp with andre emmitt. i usually dont like small players but this guy is an explosion a super athletic player who plays harder than anyone else with nice skill. Im thinking that he could be a guy we could bring in to play 3 PG[because this guy would destroy moochie]


also there is an intriuging player from Depaul named andre brown who measured out big. Its interesting because he has the best vertical leap of any big man in the entire draft. He dunked over Okafor in the nCAA tournamaent+ he is built like orlando woolridge very muscular 6-9.5 240.

http://insidehoops.com/chicago-camp-measurements.shtml
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6/10/2004  3:45 PM
where are these guys projected to go in the draft? they sound like the type of athletic players Isiah should be looking at.
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6/10/2004  8:16 PM
the knicks need a lot of things. the two highest of priorities is size and team atheletiscm. i would not be upset if we drafted a 5-8 180 pound PG[and im against small players] because the player is simply the best athlete in the draft and would legitimately not only make this team but he would be able to play minutes as an energizer bunny. guys like earl boykins and spud webb could speed up the game and tempo, this guy also has the power with the blazing speed and quickness. We could go with FW and Robinson as back ups[and let norris go] and we can still use marbury at the two G at times.
He IMHO would be an impact type bench player and would increase team speed+athletiscm quite a bit


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6/10/2004  9:04 PM
I am not big on small players either I mean especially ones under 5'10 but at 5'8 with those physical skills that is intriguing. I will tell you this, earl Boykins is what 5'5 and he is a defensive nightmare with his speed and the guy is a proficient scorer.... This guys sounds interesting...
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6/11/2004  4:12 AM
players that can really change the tempo of the game are rare and precious. Provided we didn't miss a big body, I'd not be upset to take a chance on a guy like that either.
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6/11/2004  8:36 AM
Briggs-there is little question that you make fine in dephth analyses of the individual players but you are too hung up on athleticism. Basketball talent wins-athleticism helps but is not the be all-end all. Jumpin' Johnny Green was a 6'5" athlete who could pick pennies off the top of the backboard and beat Wilt on the the center jump but that was about the extent of it. Name the "athlete" on the knicks of the 70's, Celtics of the 80's or even the Pistons of the 80's other than Rodman. True that the Lakers with Shaq and Kobe have ywo pretty good athletes but its their basketball skills that set them apart.
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6/11/2004  10:12 AM
the knicks have many needs but i would put length in the frontcourt and team speed and atheltiscm at the fore-front. We're not picking 8, so we are going to have a limited selection. If we are lucky to have an Andre Emmitt fall into our laps that would be great, but I still think he is better than pick 45. Id be happy to come out of the draft with nate robinson because this team needs speed and atheltiscm badly. Talent is a big word. If you add in atheltiscm and skills=talent--then this kid has a lot of talent.
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6/11/2004  6:17 PM
Unbelievable...I don't believe Herve Lamizana is only 6-7 1/2 without shoes. I've seen him in person many times and he's at least 10 inches taller than I am, and I am 5'11.

BTW nbadraft.net's mock now has us taking Donta Smith, an interesting athletic Juco player. 6'7 SF.
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6/11/2004  11:44 PM
Posted by TheSage:

Briggs-there is little question that you make fine in dephth analyses of the individual players but you are too hung up on athleticism. Basketball talent wins-athleticism helps but is not the be all-end all. Jumpin' Johnny Green was a 6'5" athlete who could pick pennies off the top of the backboard and beat Wilt on the the center jump but that was about the extent of it. Name the "athlete" on the knicks of the 70's, Celtics of the 80's or even the Pistons of the 80's other than Rodman. True that the Lakers with Shaq and Kobe have ywo pretty good athletes but its their basketball skills that set them apart.
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6/12/2004  12:23 AM
regarding the need or not for more athletic players on the knicks i say check out the pistons right now. the thing that they are excelling in is the smothering of the opponent.in order to do that you have to be 1. very athletic and 2.basketball knowledable. i think the game has evolved quite a bit from the 70's,80's even the 90's. this guy prince is the most impressive to me because he has fair offensive skills but he plays a very smart game whereby he uses his skills to full advantage. we have few players that can guard their men one on one and when we do help we are not quick enough to get back to men so open dunks are quite common. i believe under a coach like larry brown jumping johnny green would have been a force. brown sees player talent that not all coaches see. not to knock lenny but if isiah gets his way with putting together an athletic team i don't think lenny is the right coach for them. anyone who has suffered through the knicks past few seasons and watched the trend in the current nba should see that talent has to be stockpiled if at all possible. until the nba gets real results from the development leagues that other sports have we are picking from a diluted pool. that is why i am really against expansion teams. we need better teams from the ones that we have now. the kevin ollies and raja bells make for questions about the quality of the product. there are teams that are athletic like the suns that do not win but there are many vaiable that go into making a team good. the pistons got their variable when wallace came in. ben can now get help with his man and not have to cover up everyone's mistakes. sheed does not block a lot of shots but he makes people think about him being there. the pistons have parts that are very solid and i think we can emulate their success. the bench does not let down the team. they have role players that jump right in like they belong on the floor and it speaks to their basketball iq.the knicks have to be given time to develope. in this age of high school players the coaching staffs and scouting staffs should be more of a focus because who know when a mcgrady or lebron could come along.
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6/12/2004  8:05 AM
The Pistons are winning not so much because of their athletic abilities but because of a number of factors:

Larry Brown is an excellent coach who is much more flexible than Jackson. That is not to say to say that Jackson is not an excellent coach. He is a fine defensive coach who learned under the great Red Holtzman and handles superstars very well. He also has two of the top 5 players in the NBA but little else with Karl Malone showing his age and injured, Gary Payton may be over the hill and there is little depth.

Defense is not so much a product of atletic ability as it is the system and the coach's ability to mold the players into the system and the system to the players. They also have the great defensive presence of Ben Wallace that allows other players to cheat.

Detroit also has the depth to run LA into exhaustion



[Edited by - TheSage on 06/12/2004 09:26:41]
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6/12/2004  12:52 PM
thats pretty much where im at. memphis got pretty good pretty quickly be accumulating nice young athletic pieces. having huge question marks with H2O and his age[will be 34 during next season] a smallish frontline with unkown back ups isnt the recipe for success.

If the club puts a realistic forward view of what this club can do, which is build off each year and hopefully have a set roster to make a legit run 2-3 years from now. if they get to concerned with trying to put more veteran players on this team then we could always end up in a position back where we were in 2000. fans have to be content with a stealth rebuilding while staying competitive because it takes time to acquire the right assets put them together and let them jel.
it took 3 years to put the Pistons together -no reason why we cant do it, but it wont happen in short order and we have to be careful of the age factor on this team.
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