BRIGGS wrote:Can we take on Javalle Mcgee and a pick and still have a maximum contract spot for next year?

Please stay as far away from Javalle as possible. We have enough low IQ players on the roster

Reason #1

Top 5 pick salary spots go as follows

With potential of 105-120% increase

Pick 1 $4,753,000*
Pick 2 $4,252,600*
Pick 3 $3,818,900*
Pick 4 $3,443,100*
Pick 5 $3,117,900*

Javele makes $12mil next year

Add any of the above pick slotted salary to Javele's

And subtract it from approximately $25mil as we'll have $41mil committed next year

Reason #2

Not a smart idea

BRIGGS wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:Yes perfect, a prototypical Knicks move: Take on talented idiot who has literally never exhibited even an inkling of evidence that their potential would ever be fulfilled and then cross our fingers and hope that somehow someway THIS will be the player that all of a sudden puts it all together once they arrive on the Knicks. Because Javalle under the tutelage of such luminaries of basketball IQ and heady play such as Jr Smith will surely be the magic elixir that guides him to the promise land of fulfilled potential and his upside as our Neo-Marcus Camby.

No I would be looking for multiple asset accumulating pieces. Mcgee is simply a contract that i would be willing to accept IF compensated correctly with assets. In this case I would ask for Nurkic and their number 1 2015. I would like BOTH to take on Mcgee. So essentially my ask would be 11mm in cap space to the Nuggets their number 1 and Nurkic to the Knicks. Now once we took this on--do we have "enough" for a max contract. Please spare me the stupid I dont want Mcgee on the team idiocy--thats not what Im talking about.

Hey sorry for my idiocy. Your original post said nothing about demanding other assets in exchange for swallowing McGees contract. So I how could I know you meant that? (full disclosure I only read the top post, maybe you mentioned it later on). Anyway, If they'd part with picks and young players sure I'd do the deal and waive McGee or flip him asap.

BRIGGS wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:Yes perfect, a prototypical Knicks move: Take on talented idiot who has literally never exhibited even an inkling of evidence that their potential would ever be fulfilled and then cross our fingers and hope that somehow someway THIS will be the player that all of a sudden puts it all together once they arrive on the Knicks. Because Javalle under the tutelage of such luminaries of basketball IQ and heady play such as Jr Smith will surely be the magic elixir that guides him to the promise land of fulfilled potential and his upside as our Neo-Marcus Camby.

No I would be looking for multiple asset accumulating pieces. Mcgee is simply a contract that i would be willing to accept IF compensated correctly with assets. In this case I would ask for Nurkic and their number 1 2015. I would like BOTH to take on Mcgee. So essentially my ask would be 11mm in cap space to the Nuggets their number 1 and Nurkic to the Knicks. Now once we took this on--do we have "enough" for a max contract. Please spare me the stupid I dont want Mcgee on the team idiocy--thats not what Im talking about.

Hey sorry for my idiocy. Your original post said nothing about demanding other assets in exchange for swallowing McGees contract. So I how could I know you meant that? (full disclosure I only read the top post, maybe you mentioned it later on). Anyway, If they'd part with picks and young players sure I'd do the deal and waive McGee or flip him asap.

No my fault--I did not state my full intentions of what I was trying to accomplish--sorry for that.

Hey no need to apologize, man it's all good. My sarcastic post was probably a dumb idea as well. Sorry back at ya, wasn't trying to derail your thread.

TripleThreat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:No I would be looking for multiple asset accumulating pieces. Mcgee is simply a contract that i would be willing to accept IF compensated correctly with assets. In this case I would ask for Nurkic and their number 1 2015. I would like BOTH to take on Mcgee. So essentially my ask would be 11mm in cap space to the Nuggets their number 1 and Nurkic to the Knicks. Now once we took this on--do we have "enough" for a max contract. Please spare me the stupid I dont want Mcgee on the team idiocy--thats not what Im talking about.

I've seen you suggest this before.

McGee's contract expires after 2015, he is on the books for 12 million for the 2015 season.

Right now, Denver projects at drafting in the 12th slot in the 2015th NBA Draft, first round. Obviously that might change some by seasons end, but Nurkic was just selected this past draft. You'd be asking the Nuggets to trade what is essentially two first round picks for 12 million in salary cap relief. This with the salary cap, even with a potential "smoothing" option, clearly to rise by a good clip in the next few years. Also while Denver has a 2015 team option on Mozgov, and have JJ Hickson signed only through 2015, without any other centers on the roster, under this trade hypothetical, his contract leverage demand would go through the roof.

You have to ask yourself, why would Denver do this?

Denver is NOT considered one of the big market destination type cities like NY or LA, where prime free agents find desirable. The team has already locked up Kenneth Faried, their best young player, and still have control over Ty Lawson, their best player right now until 2016. They are in no rush to give Gallo a big extension.

There are no pressing major extensions they have to give out.
There are no elite free agents clamoring in public now to want to go play in Denver.

Clearing cap space isn't a good enough reason here alone, tell me or tell us, why would Denver's front office do this trade? I can see why the Knicks would do it ( they are empty at center anyway, even a dolt like McGee is better than what they have now, plus they get a cost controlled Nurkic at about 2 million for the next three seasons plus get a pick around the 12-14 mark in 2015.

The same trade checklist needs to apply

1) Is it defensible to the non Knicks owner?
2) Is it more or less likely to get the non Knicks GM and scouting team fired or not?
3) Is it defensible to the non Knicks fanbase and season ticket holders?
4) Is it defensible to the non Knicks franchise's corporate sponsors and advertisers?
5) Is it defensible to the general sports media and also to the local sports media of the non Knicks team?

Or flip it on the other foot.

If the Knicks and Denver's situation was reversed, would you like to see the Knicks and Phil Jackson trade McGee for an extra 12 million in cap space, when the cap is going to rise anyway, for what is essentially two first round picks? While also create massive bargaining leverage for the only starting capable center still on the roster (Mozgov)?

If you were Phil Jackson, would you rather have Nurkic and someone in the Willie Cauley Stein range of draft prospect or would you rather have an extra 12 million in cap space for a team that most free agents pass on by from against the backdrop of a rising cap anyway?

A semi "realistic" salary clearing trade would be a team like OKC, pressed up against the cap, who might have, in the past, given an asset to get someone like Kendrick Perkins off the roster, with the impact of what Reggie Jackson might or might not cost in play. A team that basically drafted Huestis with a first contingent on him now actually playing for them so they could save a little cap space. That might be a case where a team might give up a pick in the extremely late 20s for immediate cap relief. ( but Perkins is expiring this year anyway so even this scenario isn't practical) But it's as close as you can get in current times to getting a pick for a contract dump. If the Knicks had taken Perkins in the offseason before the draft, if OKC thought they could resign Jackson for a team discount but still a good payday ( i.e. not letting market forces leverage them later), they might have given up the pick that ended up being Huestis to the Knicks for the trouble. But that ship sailed and past.

You could defend a trade like that to OKC's owner.
You could pull that trade off as Sam Presti and not get calls for your head and for your firing in the press
You could justify it to your fanbase ( we need to keep Jackson, not like we lost Harden)
You could tell your sponsors and advertisers it was the right team move ( dumping a bad player paid too much and giving up a pick and player that wouldn't crack the rotation to win now and reup a young asset)
You could survive the sports media, who could see the logic in the deal.

Any deal sending Nurkic and a first rounder in 2015 to any team just for 12 million in cap relief would get the Denver GM fired. Fired. You are asking a team to make the kind of trade that the Knicks used to make to get themselves into this current hell in the first place.

I don't know how long you have followed the Knicks--but the cost of absorbing 12mm in cap is 2 first round assets--either a #1 and a young player which is what Im talking about--or straight two picks. That 12mm is a lot of money to them. It might be the difference between keeping Aaron Affalo or not. Now do you want to bet one yo9ung player and a 1st round pick agaisnt losing Affalo--because it looks like that might be the case UNLESS Denver is willing to be big tax payers.

BRIGGS wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:No I would be looking for multiple asset accumulating pieces. Mcgee is simply a contract that i would be willing to accept IF compensated correctly with assets. In this case I would ask for Nurkic and their number 1 2015. I would like BOTH to take on Mcgee. So essentially my ask would be 11mm in cap space to the Nuggets their number 1 and Nurkic to the Knicks. Now once we took this on--do we have "enough" for a max contract. Please spare me the stupid I dont want Mcgee on the team idiocy--thats not what Im talking about.

I've seen you suggest this before.

McGee's contract expires after 2015, he is on the books for 12 million for the 2015 season.

Right now, Denver projects at drafting in the 12th slot in the 2015th NBA Draft, first round. Obviously that might change some by seasons end, but Nurkic was just selected this past draft. You'd be asking the Nuggets to trade what is essentially two first round picks for 12 million in salary cap relief. This with the salary cap, even with a potential "smoothing" option, clearly to rise by a good clip in the next few years. Also while Denver has a 2015 team option on Mozgov, and have JJ Hickson signed only through 2015, without any other centers on the roster, under this trade hypothetical, his contract leverage demand would go through the roof.

You have to ask yourself, why would Denver do this?

Denver is NOT considered one of the big market destination type cities like NY or LA, where prime free agents find desirable. The team has already locked up Kenneth Faried, their best young player, and still have control over Ty Lawson, their best player right now until 2016. They are in no rush to give Gallo a big extension.

There are no pressing major extensions they have to give out.
There are no elite free agents clamoring in public now to want to go play in Denver.

Clearing cap space isn't a good enough reason here alone, tell me or tell us, why would Denver's front office do this trade? I can see why the Knicks would do it ( they are empty at center anyway, even a dolt like McGee is better than what they have now, plus they get a cost controlled Nurkic at about 2 million for the next three seasons plus get a pick around the 12-14 mark in 2015.

The same trade checklist needs to apply

1) Is it defensible to the non Knicks owner?
2) Is it more or less likely to get the non Knicks GM and scouting team fired or not?
3) Is it defensible to the non Knicks fanbase and season ticket holders?
4) Is it defensible to the non Knicks franchise's corporate sponsors and advertisers?
5) Is it defensible to the general sports media and also to the local sports media of the non Knicks team?

Or flip it on the other foot.

If the Knicks and Denver's situation was reversed, would you like to see the Knicks and Phil Jackson trade McGee for an extra 12 million in cap space, when the cap is going to rise anyway, for what is essentially two first round picks? While also create massive bargaining leverage for the only starting capable center still on the roster (Mozgov)?

If you were Phil Jackson, would you rather have Nurkic and someone in the Willie Cauley Stein range of draft prospect or would you rather have an extra 12 million in cap space for a team that most free agents pass on by from against the backdrop of a rising cap anyway?

A semi "realistic" salary clearing trade would be a team like OKC, pressed up against the cap, who might have, in the past, given an asset to get someone like Kendrick Perkins off the roster, with the impact of what Reggie Jackson might or might not cost in play. A team that basically drafted Huestis with a first contingent on him now actually playing for them so they could save a little cap space. That might be a case where a team might give up a pick in the extremely late 20s for immediate cap relief. ( but Perkins is expiring this year anyway so even this scenario isn't practical) But it's as close as you can get in current times to getting a pick for a contract dump. If the Knicks had taken Perkins in the offseason before the draft, if OKC thought they could resign Jackson for a team discount but still a good payday ( i.e. not letting market forces leverage them later), they might have given up the pick that ended up being Huestis to the Knicks for the trouble. But that ship sailed and past.

You could defend a trade like that to OKC's owner.
You could pull that trade off as Sam Presti and not get calls for your head and for your firing in the press
You could justify it to your fanbase ( we need to keep Jackson, not like we lost Harden)
You could tell your sponsors and advertisers it was the right team move ( dumping a bad player paid too much and giving up a pick and player that wouldn't crack the rotation to win now and reup a young asset)
You could survive the sports media, who could see the logic in the deal.

Any deal sending Nurkic and a first rounder in 2015 to any team just for 12 million in cap relief would get the Denver GM fired. Fired. You are asking a team to make the kind of trade that the Knicks used to make to get themselves into this current hell in the first place.

I don't know how long you have followed the Knicks--but the cost of absorbing 12mm in cap is 2 first round assets--either a #1 and a young player which is what Im talking about--or straight two picks. That 12mm is a lot of money to them. It might be the difference between keeping Aaron Affalo or not. Now do you want to bet one yo9ung player and a 1st round pick agaisnt losing Affalo--because it looks like that might be the case UNLESS Denver is willing to be big tax payers.

They wouldn't be and you just provided

The reason why they wouldn't

Unless you're actually helping them avoid the Tax

And-Or provided them cap space all you're doing is trimming payroll

Here's their 2015-2016 Cap numbers with no Chandler Mozgov or Afflalo

Lawson  $12,404,495 
Gallo   $11,559,225 
Faried  $11,235,955 
Hickson  $5,613,500 
Nurkic   $1,842,000 
Harris   $1,587,480 
Green      $845,059

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Total

$45,087,714

If you add in Chandler's and Mozgov's numbers which is another $12mil

Their cap number becomes roughly $57,200,000

Now if the cap rises to, tops $66mil.... they have roughly $9mil in cap space to sign Afflalo

That's with you taking McGee off their hands

If you add McGee's salary back that's $69,200,000

If the salary cap is $66mil then the Tax will be somewhere around $77mil

They could still squeeze Afflalo in probably

But it would be easier if they simply moved Hickson instead of doing your wacky deal

You're not providing them anything worthwhile by

Taking Mcgee and essentially 2 1st round picks

It would only be worth their while if you

Provided them more than $10mil of cap space

The Mavericks have Raymond Felton's contract and will have cap space in 2015 that they'd like to maximize. Given their track record, it is very likely that they'd give up their first rounder this year to dump him. Over the past decade, I don't think the Mavericks have kept a single one of their picks beyond 2-3 seasons and seem to move the pick before a player can even be selected.

As for the Pistons, I think they are the new Knicks. Stan Van Gundy is a pretty good coach but he has no experience in running a team and seems to be leaning on relics from the Magic regime that traded Marcin Gortat, Vince Carter and a first round pick for Jason Richardson and Hedo Turkoglu. They also were willing to trade for Gilbert Arenas' contract when it was pretty obvious that his career was shot. So be prepared for them to do something monumentally stupid, especially given their history of aversion to picks/young players in Orlando. I think they'd give up their first round pick this year if we took Josh Smith's contract off their hands. Worse comes to worse, we can use the stretch provision on Smith, which would only cost us $6 million worth of cap space for the next 5 years. Considering the stupid **** we've spent $6 million on in the past, we'd do well to bite that bullet again for an opportunity to get another top 5 pick.

CrushAlot wrote:Is Monroe an unrestricted free agent after this year?

Yes he's in the same situation as David Lee

He doesn't want to be traded though as he wants to retain Bird's Rights

Here's the recent drops on his situation

One I would not touch this year nor the summer

http://hoopshype.com/rumors/tag/detroit_pistons