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timmyTtop
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6/9/2004  1:15 PM
sometimes i get the feeling after watching him play backup, that he doesnt have much confidence and isnt willing to take chances, he's hesitant. since he has good trade value, should we trade him? package him with K thomas and ship him for reef if we can? I know one thing is for sure. these players have got to go

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6/9/2004  1:34 PM
he was a rookie basically (2nd year player, but never got any run last season)...often times, rookies play a bit hesitant...but he played extremely well in those games earlier in the season when he started at PG before Marbury got there...why would you prefer Moochie over Frank? i don't get it.

[Edited by - TMS on 06/09/2004 13:34:32]
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6/9/2004  1:49 PM
Posted by TMS:

he was a rookie basically (2nd year player, but never got any run last season)...often times, rookies play a bit hesitant...but he played extremely well in those games earlier in the season when he started at PG before Marbury got there...why would you prefer Moochie over Frank? i don't get it.

[Edited by - TMS on 06/09/2004 13:34:32]

moochie is a stronger dribbler, more confident, he's hit bigger shots, he seems more hungry to play and more emotional. even wilkens said he'd like to see more emotion from him, u need that to play in NY. he doesnt have it and its instinct either u have it or u dont.
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6/9/2004  1:49 PM
Williams is one of our only trade assets. Although I don't think that he will be traded, but if we really want to get a decent SG or PF, he will have to be included in a package.
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6/9/2004  1:50 PM
Posted by diderotn:

Williams is one of our only trade assets. Although I don't think that he will be traded, but if we really want to get a decent SG or PF, he will have to be included in a package.

he's got no NY style of play, moochie is better
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6/9/2004  2:27 PM
as a starter williams went for 13 points 5 assists and 2 rebounds along with 2 steals per game in 25 minutes.

sure it was only 3 games but dont forget its hard to be just thrown in a starting spot and expected to play well.

he also averaged .577 fg% and .545 3 point%.

i would like to keep except for one thing...........he will get no minutes behind steph so we might as well add him to trade to get someone we need.
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6/9/2004  2:38 PM
frank is a better player than moochie, period. moochie, in fact, should get no playing time if frank is healthy. plus, we saw how good frank and steph work in the backcourt together in the playoffs. he's a better defender than moochie. i can't believe we're discussing this.

as for do we trade him or keep him - of course we move him in a deal that will net us a good player in a position of need. currently, frank's position is not a "position of need" so therefore, he can be moved in the right deal.
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6/9/2004  3:07 PM
I like Frank. He made some big shots against NJ. He showed toughness too. Despite the fact we didn't win one game, I was impressed by his play. I don't think it'd be so bad to have Marbury and Frank in the backcourt together.
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6/9/2004  3:14 PM
Posted by timmyTtop:
Posted by TMS:

he was a rookie basically (2nd year player, but never got any run last season)...often times, rookies play a bit hesitant...but he played extremely well in those games earlier in the season when he started at PG before Marbury got there...why would you prefer Moochie over Frank? i don't get it.

[Edited by - TMS on 06/09/2004 13:34:32]

moochie is a stronger dribbler, more confident, he's hit bigger shots, he seems more hungry to play and more emotional. even wilkens said he'd like to see more emotion from him, u need that to play in NY. he doesnt have it and its instinct either u have it or u dont.

Charlie Ward was not very emotional either, & he was 1 of the toughest players I've ever rooted for in a Knicks uniform...toughness & grit aren't determined by yelling, scowling, shimmying, posing or doing whatever else on the court...it's determined by hustle, determination & character, all of which i think Frank possesses...i see alot of Charlie Ward in Frank Williams in their demeanor & quiet persona...hopefully he'll have the same toughness as well over his career in NY...i think he's a keeper, but if they have to trade him to improve the team, i guess i'd have to live w/that.
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6/9/2004  3:21 PM
Hands down, frank is better than moochie. Frank has better handles, may not shoot as well as moochie now, but he is a better passer and most importantly he is a superior defender. Frank will be a first rate defender at the PG spot if he is given starter minutes....
Pg's like him have real value..
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6/9/2004  3:45 PM
Frank with out a doubt is better than Moochie

I'd love to keep Frank, but if we can trade him and improve this team, then I'm all for it.
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6/9/2004  5:04 PM
Frank Williams: trade him or keep him

Regardless of the player, my answer to this question will always be "both"

For any player, you trade him if the deal helps the team but keep him if it doesn't. It's impossible to answer a context-blind question like "trade him or keep him?"
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6/9/2004  5:26 PM
well, i personally believe frank williams will develop to a starting PG in the league. I believe he should be traded but I dont think hes in the greatest trading value either. I hope we can develop williams a little more. He is still under contract for a couple years anyway. Lets let the market dictate the value and try to get something more for him. However, he is requested by another team to bring in a legit player especially a post precense, I would do probably do it. But that would be hard to say, but I wouldnt trade him for the sake of trading him or because we got marbary. I know the minutes mite be scarce with marbary at the 1. But I hope frank wiiliams can still play an avg of 10-15 min per game.
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6/9/2004  5:47 PM
I really like Frankie, he can score or he can dish out the ball and he is a good defender. He did a hell of a job guarding Kidd in the playoffs and I'm sure his trade value is high right now but I wouldn't trade him unless the right deal comes along. I think we should let Frankie play more in the rotation next year which should rise his trade value even more, then I think we make a deal if we want to. Frankie has good trade value but give him more minutes and he can increase it a lot more since good PGs are hard to come by. Ultimately I think we are going to have to trade Frankie (either this offseason or next year) because he just won't play to his potential backing up Stehpon. However, we can also keep him and have him come off the bench and play with Marbury in the backcourt (as we did in the playoffs) which will also be nice. Frank is one of my favorite players but he probably has more value to us as a trading chip than as a player.
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6/9/2004  7:32 PM
Posted by s3231:

I really like Frankie, he can score or he can dish out the ball and he is a good defender. He did a hell of a job guarding Kidd in the playoffs and I'm sure his trade value is high right now but I wouldn't trade him unless the right deal comes along. I think we should let Frankie play more in the rotation next year which should rise his trade value even more, then I think we make a deal if we want to. Frankie has good trade value but give him more minutes and he can increase it a lot more since good PGs are hard to come by. Ultimately I think we are going to have to trade Frankie (either this offseason or next year) because he just won't play to his potential backing up Stehpon. However, we can also keep him and have him come off the bench and play with Marbury in the backcourt (as we did in the playoffs) which will also be nice. Frank is one of my favorite players but he probably has more value to us as a trading chip than as a player.

I would definately love to see him getting a good portion of shandons minutes
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6/9/2004  7:55 PM
Posted by MaTT4281:
Posted by s3231:

I really like Frankie, he can score or he can dish out the ball and he is a good defender. He did a hell of a job guarding Kidd in the playoffs and I'm sure his trade value is high right now but I wouldn't trade him unless the right deal comes along. I think we should let Frankie play more in the rotation next year which should rise his trade value even more, then I think we make a deal if we want to. Frankie has good trade value but give him more minutes and he can increase it a lot more since good PGs are hard to come by. Ultimately I think we are going to have to trade Frankie (either this offseason or next year) because he just won't play to his potential backing up Stehpon. However, we can also keep him and have him come off the bench and play with Marbury in the backcourt (as we did in the playoffs) which will also be nice. Frank is one of my favorite players but he probably has more value to us as a trading chip than as a player.

I would definately love to see him getting a good portion of shandons minutes

AMEN!, i only got msg after marbury was acquired, so i didnt see frank start, i guess i did like his toughness against jason kidd, he did step up to him and has that quality that TT loves, i think we should leave our team be unless we can add on elton brand, kobe, dampier, or reef, which are all unlikey except for maybe dampier. im pretty confident with our group we should get 48+ wins, anyone know if were getting baker back? i liked how he played against portland
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6/9/2004  8:13 PM
Baker will probably be resigned for the LLE. He has already said that the Knicks will have the first shot to sign him so its all up to Isiah. If we get Dampier then Isiah might ponder not resigning Baker but I think there is a pretty good shot Baker will be in a Knick uniform next year.
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6/9/2004  8:19 PM
Posted by s3231:

Baker will probably be resigned for the LLE. He has already said that the Knicks will have the first shot to sign him so its all up to Isiah. If we get Dampier then Isiah might ponder not resigning Baker but I think there is a pretty good shot Baker will be in a Knick uniform next year.

It makes me mad to look at him right now since he was the only big man right there when Timmy got hammered.

He did show alot skill in the last game against the Nets. For a good clip in the game he was unguardable. I like him and Nazr as a platoon at center.

Well if Isiah can't get a real upgrade I guess you gotta keep Baker. Sweetney is the guy we wanna see start and Baker would be good to have on the bench.
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6/9/2004  8:30 PM
Frankie showed his worth even though his stats didn't really reflect.

Frank and Marbury in the backcourt will only work if Frank can be aggressive scoring the ball. He showed that he can't be kept out the lane. Frank just needs to be selfish and not be afraid to miss a shot or make a bad play. That will be the only way that would work.

I'd hate to see Frank go but I guess if a team wants him involved in a trade that really makes the Knicks better then you gotta do it.

On the flip side.....Marbury is getting Frank to play at the Rucker this year. That would be crazy to see. I wonder how many times a possible nba starting backcourt played together at a street ball tournament? Frank and Marbury seem to have connected. It would be really interesting to see what they could do together.
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6/9/2004  9:30 PM
Frankie needs to impove his jumper. It is the ONLY thing sepearting him from the bench and being a 18/10/5 PG in the NBA. He has the D, the size and can drive and dish.

Someone posted the idea of Kobe to NY and that it would require Marbury. Well, it could happen if Frankie could develop his jumper. Kobe handles the ball down the stretch of games anyway. You add Kobe as the SF, H20 and Frankie and you have a pretty lethal backcourt. Yes, it is a pipe dream, but Frankie give IT something to think about.
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