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Knicks1969
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11/26/2014  11:52 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/26/2014  11:58 AM
After 11 games this season, as well as, last season, one weakness remains very evident with our team, and that is our inability to defend the perimeter. I don't know if it is coaching, but we can no longer afford to allow opposing team to torch us from behind the 3 point line.

At this point, I can't even say that it is a personnel issue, because our coaches strategy (old and new) has been to dare the opposing teams to make perimeter shots; this was made very clear by our current coach. This strategy has allowed terrible 3 point shooting teams to look very good, because our defenders have been instructed not to challenge the shooters, or better yet, they are instructed to protect the paint and give up the outside shot.

I know the 3 point shot is not a very high percentage shot, but it is demoralizing to watch our team/defenders give up these wide open attempts night in, and night out. Shooting the ball requires rhythm, talent, and confidence. As such, I believe it is foolish by our coaches to continue to employ/encourage the current strategy of daring opposing teams to take "uncontested" perimeter shots. Last I checked, every NBA player is drafted with the premise of scoring the ball and help an organization to win ball games.

From this point forward, Our back court players should be instructed to focus on feeling the body of the opposing player. When we are playing a team with a potent stretch 4/5, our big must be able to follow that particular player outside of the paint. Furthermore, they should never/ever be asked to provide HELP DEFENSE.

Fisher must instruct our boys to utilize basic principals in DEFENSE.

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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11/26/2014  3:29 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/26/2014  3:37 PM
Why is it that the Spurs and bulls are not often killed from the perimeter? I watched Toronto the other night, I was pleasantly surprised by how well they guard the perimeter as well.
Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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11/26/2014  3:54 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/26/2014  3:56 PM
I just watched a couple of interviews of Amare And Shump about tonight's game. One said: as long as we play Knicks basketball, we will be ok. He further said: as long as we keep them out of our paint, we will be ok. What in the world is Knicks basketball? Furthermore, how many games have we lost in the paint this year? In the paint, one can only get two points if a shot is made; while in the perimeter it is three points.


The other dude talked about sharing the ball and defending; two of the things he is not known of doing.

I must say, our boys are FOS.

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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11/26/2014  4:14 PM
Knicks1969 wrote:I just watched a couple of interviews of Amare And Shump about tonight's game. One said: as long as we play Knicks basketball, we will be ok. He further said: as long as we keep them out of our paint, we will be ok. What in the world is Knicks basketball? Furthermore, how many games have we lost in the paint this year? In the paint, one can only get two points if a shot is made; while in the perimeter it is three points.


The other dude talked about sharing the ball and defending; two of the things he is not known of doing.

I must say, our boys are FOS.


thats the gameplan now...protect the rim, whereas when Tyson was here the team funneled offensive player towards it and away from the wing as much.

While I dont advocate blatantly leaving guys wide open I understand their thinking....they are challenging teams to shoot more threes banking that they go cold vs allowing constant drives into the paint which is a much higher % shot plus earning free throws.

Basically the Knicks defense stems from what their offense was in the 2012-2013 season....thats how teams defended the Knicks.

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11/26/2014  4:41 PM
knickscity wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:I just watched a couple of interviews of Amare And Shump about tonight's game. One said: as long as we play Knicks basketball, we will be ok. He further said: as long as we keep them out of our paint, we will be ok. What in the world is Knicks basketball? Furthermore, how many games have we lost in the paint this year? In the paint, one can only get two points if a shot is made; while in the perimeter it is three points.


The other dude talked about sharing the ball and defending; two of the things he is not known of doing.

I must say, our boys are FOS.


thats the gameplan now...protect the rim, whereas when Tyson was here the team funneled offensive player towards it and away from the wing as much.

While I dont advocate blatantly leaving guys wide open I understand their thinking....they are challenging teams to shoot more threes banking that they go cold vs allowing constant drives into the paint which is a much higher % shot plus earning free throws.

Basically the Knicks defense stems from what their offense was in the 2012-2013 season....thats how teams defended the Knicks.

That approach is horrendous. The only player who should not be guarding the perimeter is Carmelo, because he rebounds the ball at a high clip. The other two or three guards SHOULD NEVER be sagging off of the players they are defending to play matador defense. They should stay within their lanes and clog the vision of the shooters. Just allow one man to beat you Vs. Allowing Three or four players to reach double digit.

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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11/27/2014  8:55 PM
trade for defenders
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11/28/2014  10:47 AM
In my opinion, we are just two players away from contending. Purge JR, Amare, Bargnani, and we will be a decent squad.
Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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11/28/2014  10:46 PM
I am now convinced, we are a poorly coached team.
Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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11/29/2014  8:57 AM
TPercy wrote:trade for defenders

We drafted a solid defender.....but decided to keep offensive players on the roster. Now we cant score or defend.

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11/29/2014  12:44 PM
Knicks1969 wrote:After 11 games this season, as well as, last season, one weakness remains very evident with our team, and that is our inability to defend the perimeter. I don't know if it is coaching, but we can no longer afford to allow opposing team to torch us from behind the 3 point line.

At this point, I can't even say that it is a personnel issue, because our coaches strategy (old and new) has been to dare the opposing teams to make perimeter shots; this was made very clear by our current coach. This strategy has allowed terrible 3 point shooting teams to look very good, because our defenders have been instructed not to challenge the shooters, or better yet, they are instructed to protect the paint and give up the outside shot.

I know the 3 point shot is not a very high percentage shot, but it is demoralizing to watch our team/defenders give up these wide open attempts night in, and night out. Shooting the ball requires rhythm, talent, and confidence. As such, I believe it is foolish by our coaches to continue to employ/encourage the current strategy of daring opposing teams to take "uncontested" perimeter shots. Last I checked, every NBA player is drafted with the premise of scoring the ball and help an organization to win ball games.

From this point forward, Our back court players should be instructed to focus on feeling the body of the opposing player. When we are playing a team with a potent stretch 4/5, our big must be able to follow that particular player outside of the paint. Furthermore, they should never/ever be asked to provide HELP DEFENSE.

Fisher must instruct our boys to utilize basic principals in DEFENSE.



our knicks coaching staff and Phil, despite the many rings among them are very lucky to have you to dispense advice!
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11/29/2014  1:58 PM
TPercy wrote:trade for defenders

Nope--name 1 player on the spurs who is just a defender? You need 2 way players and a diversity of size speed length and athletic ability.

I wouldnt look at this team and say hey--we need perimeter defense or we need 3 pt shooting or guys who can handle et.. because the reality is we have 1 starter Carmelo and a whole lot of 2nd line players.

We need a lot of players--time to build chemistry--a system that fits the players we have--were very far away from this.

I think that one year we played very well was just an aberration. JR was 6th man of the year Ray Felton was really good. Jay Kidd was like an MVP the first 40 games---we have just tried to reconstruct that the last 2 years and we havent been close.

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11/29/2014  2:01 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
TPercy wrote:trade for defenders

Nope--name 1 player on the spurs who is just a defender? You need 2 way players and a diversity of size speed length and athletic ability.

I wouldnt look at this team and say hey--we need perimeter defense or we need 3 pt shooting or guys who can handle et.. because the reality is we have 1 starter Carmelo and a whole lot of 2nd line players.

We need a lot of players--time to build chemistry--a system that fits the players we have--were very far away from this.

I think that one year we played very well was just an aberration. JR was 6th man of the year Ray Felton was really good. Jay Kidd was like an MVP the first 40 games---we have just tried to reconstruct that the last 2 years and we havent been close.

TRUE....

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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11/29/2014  2:03 PM
Nalod wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:After 11 games this season, as well as, last season, one weakness remains very evident with our team, and that is our inability to defend the perimeter. I don't know if it is coaching, but we can no longer afford to allow opposing team to torch us from behind the 3 point line.

At this point, I can't even say that it is a personnel issue, because our coaches strategy (old and new) has been to dare the opposing teams to make perimeter shots; this was made very clear by our current coach. This strategy has allowed terrible 3 point shooting teams to look very good, because our defenders have been instructed not to challenge the shooters, or better yet, they are instructed to protect the paint and give up the outside shot.

I know the 3 point shot is not a very high percentage shot, but it is demoralizing to watch our team/defenders give up these wide open attempts night in, and night out. Shooting the ball requires rhythm, talent, and confidence. As such, I believe it is foolish by our coaches to continue to employ/encourage the current strategy of daring opposing teams to take "uncontested" perimeter shots. Last I checked, every NBA player is drafted with the premise of scoring the ball and help an organization to win ball games.

From this point forward, Our back court players should be instructed to focus on feeling the body of the opposing player. When we are playing a team with a potent stretch 4/5, our big must be able to follow that particular player outside of the paint. Furthermore, they should never/ever be asked to provide HELP DEFENSE.

Fisher must instruct our boys to utilize basic principals in DEFENSE.



our knicks coaching staff and Phil, despite the many rings among them are very lucky to have you to dispense advice!

What is your point? Are you trying to tell me that they know the game so well; thus, they can't be advised? Only a fool would think that he knows it all.

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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