knicks1248 wrote:He said on a few occasions that most of the players don't ask, and he's never been approach by anyone in the organization to it.

This is probably why the Knicks have been bad for so long. It is vital for an Organization to embrace players who were part of its success. Maybe with Phil at the helm, all of that will soon change. THJ could benefit greatly from Clyde's tutelage.

knicks1248 wrote:He said on a few occasions that most of the players don't ask

FireWoodson wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:He said on a few occasions that most of the players don't ask

Clyde and Breen talked about how it is sad that no player in all these years asks Clyde for anything, yet Amar'e will pay $100,000 for lessons from Olajuwon.

Amare paid Olajuwan? Nice, what did he learn? Olajuwan sure as hell did not coach this dude to be as selfish as is. This dude did not pay to learn defense, that is for sure. He paid to Learn what?

FireWoodson wrote:

Nalod wrote:But lets be real, players get a ton of coaching and support and just because its "clyde" don't mean he can really add anymore than what they get

So Clyde, you know, Hall Of Famer, one of the sport's 50 greatest players that ever played, can not add anything more than what Jim Cleamons, Rasheed Hazzard, and Kurt Rambis can give these players.
Got it.

Dude, it's not about the organization's use of Clyde. It's about today's players utter lack of the sport's history and their "I-know-it-all" attitude. You can hear it in Cyde's voice when he talks about this topic. He's genuinely saddened by the change in athletes. All the old time players looked for help from the older guys on the team and past players. They wanted schooling, mentoring. Today's guys just want a new shoe deal.

How can one not ask Clyde for any advice or tip? It is astounding.

Agree....

FireWoodson wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:Amare paid Olajuwan? Nice, what did he learn? Olajuwan sure as hell did not coach this dude to be as selfish as is. This dude did not pay to learn defense, that is for sure. He paid to Learn what?

Come on, you could see what he worked on with Hakeem. You're right, it wasn't defense. But watch Amare's current moves to the basket. They are text book Hakeem.

Look at Amar'e two years ago and his play today. Two years ago Amar'e was ready for the retirement home. Two years later and Amar'e is playing far better, far more aggressive, offense. That's what he paid for.

There is no Olajuwan finess in his ofensive game. He gets the ball and bullrush his way to the basket. Dude never look to pass and repost. That is not Olajuwan style my friend.

FireWoodson wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:Amare paid Olajuwan? Nice, what did he learn? Olajuwan sure as hell did not coach this dude to be as selfish as is. This dude did not pay to learn defense, that is for sure. He paid to Learn what?

Come on, you could see what he worked on with Hakeem. You're right, it wasn't defense. But watch Amare's current moves to the basket. They are text book Hakeem.

Look at Amar'e two years ago and his play today. Two years ago Amar'e was ready for the retirement home. Two years later and Amar'e is playing far better, far more aggressive, offense. That's what he paid for.

The only thing Amare has not taken from hakeem was the dream shake, other than that,most of his post moves are vintage Hakeem.

He may not be a smooth as hakeem was, but he definitely got the foot work down pat

1) It started when Pat Riley took over and did not want ex-knicks around the team. Building an us against the world mentality.

2)players don't like when broadcasters and former player critique their games
See Keith Hernandez and the backlash he gets from Mets players.

Now with Phil in charge you are seeing a reembergance of the 70s knicks like Reed. You could see the excitement in clyde's face once we netted Phil.

However it doesn't mean Clyde will over step his boundaries unless asked to.

Quite honestly this team is such a clusterfck that I don't think anything Clyde has to offer will make a difference.

Maybe when we get closer to contending if ever then he can offer up a few suggestions

gunsnewing wrote:2 things

1) It started when Pat Riley took over and did not want ex-knicks around the team. Building an us against the world mentality.

2)players don't like when broadcasters and former player critique their games
See Keith Hernandez and the backlash he gets from Mets players.

Now with Phil in charge you are seeing a reembergance of the 70s knicks like Reed. You could see the excitement in clyde's face once we netted Phil.

However it doesn't mean Clyde will over step his boundaries unless asked to.

Quite honestly this team is such a clusterfck that I don't think anything Clyde has to offer will make a difference.

Maybe when we get closer to contending if ever then he can offer up a few suggestions

Well maybe Clyde can help by suiting up and running the point