djsunyc wrote:in terms of the knicks - they take most of their shots from long 2...which is probably the dumbest thing to do. whereas analytic team darlings houston refuse to take the long 2.

thats correct. long 2's are they worst shots in basketball.

djsunyc wrote:in terms of the knicks - they take most of their shots from long 2...which is probably the dumbest thing to do. whereas analytic team darlings houston refuse to take the long 2.

I miss the midrange game in basketball, so I hope the Knicks can make it effective again. 3s and drives I find boring.

smackeddog wrote:

djsunyc wrote:in terms of the knicks - they take most of their shots from long 2...which is probably the dumbest thing to do. whereas analytic team darlings houston refuse to take the long 2.

I miss the midrange game in basketball, so I hope the Knicks can make it effective again. 3s and drives I find boring.

Thats would be great if every other was also just taking stupid long 2's and not the higher percentage boring shots.

nixluva wrote:I think the ratios will change in time. These players have had a lot to process and it's really messed with their heads. They have turned down a lot of open 3's. Jose should help that a little since he's such a good 3pt shooter. The Knicks have run at the slowest pace in the league. I think that will slowly creep up as they get more comfortable. Last year they made 9.3 3pt on 24.9 attempts and this year so far 6.8 makes on 17.4 attempts.

This system doesn't use the PnR or drive and kick as much as other systems. They instead use the post feeds and cuts, but we don't see the Knicks using the cut and slash to the basket as much as they probably could. Part of that is teams are going to allow the Knicks to take the 2's. They will overplay JR when he PnR with Jason. So Jason has to hit his shots. If that is Bargs in the same role he may drive a bit more than Jason since he has that ability. Either way I don't see this team changing completely away from the midrange game. My guess is that they'll simply get more efficient at it.

You post as if our players wear

Bibs and have Pacifiers in their mouths all game

Get real, there's no reason whatsoever to pacify them

While wiping their mouths off because they dribbled milk on their chins

I guess by game 60 they will have worked their way from

Similac-to-Gerber-to-Lunchables therefore we can go Goo-Goo Ga-Ga over them

Pom Pom Nixy

I believe the triangle was invented in the days of no 3 point line, thats why it creates so many wide open mid range jump shots, which is why when jordan came back for his 2nd stint with the bulls, his mid range game was deadly... but you can't fall in love with those shots, it's fools gold.

The knicks have got to take it to the hole, and I think thats whats holding them back (and the rotation), fouling too much, and not getting foul themselves.

nixluva wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

nixluva wrote:I think the ratios will change in time. These players have had a lot to process and it's really messed with their heads. They have turned down a lot of open 3's. Jose should help that a little since he's such a good 3pt shooter. The Knicks have run at the slowest pace in the league. I think that will slowly creep up as they get more comfortable. Last year they made 9.3 3pt on 24.9 attempts and this year so far 6.8 makes on 17.4 attempts.

This system doesn't use the PnR or drive and kick as much as other systems. They instead use the post feeds and cuts, but we don't see the Knicks using the cut and slash to the basket as much as they probably could. Part of that is teams are going to allow the Knicks to take the 2's. They will overplay JR when he PnR with Jason. So Jason has to hit his shots. If that is Bargs in the same role he may drive a bit more than Jason since he has that ability. Either way I don't see this team changing completely away from the midrange game. My guess is that they'll simply get more efficient at it.

You post as if our players wear

Bibs and have Pacifiers in their mouths all game

Get real, there's no reason whatsoever to pacify them

While wiping their mouths off because they dribbled milk on their chins

I guess by game 60 they will have worked their way from

Similac-to-Gerber-to-Lunchables therefore we can go Goo-Goo Ga-Ga over them

Pom Pom Nixy

Why are you even posting if you have nothing to contribute other than a critique on my posting style? How about some substance regarding the point of the thread?

Well it obvious how both teams

Should game plan from each other

If our offense proves to be too much a matrix

We should at least focus on keeping The Bucks out of the paint

Force them to shoot deep 2s, contested and as many 3s as possible//// then maybe

We'll have a better understanding of what not to do

On offense, it's like DK tried to encourage

the 50win crowd in that if 50wins are attainable with this squad

As currently constructed, the defense would have to be light yrs

Ahead of the offense, we want Pacer-Bullike linear-graphed results defensively

TripleThreat wrote:

djsunyc wrote:in terms of the knicks - they take most of their shots from long 2...which is probably the dumbest thing to do. whereas analytic team darlings houston refuse to take the long 2.

Long 2's aren't bad if you are already efficient at shooting threes and near the rim. In playoff basketball, long 2s are often what the defense gives you, as you progressively see better defenses the further you go ( if you can go) in the playoffs.

You can't make long 2's in the playoffs unless you are hitting them in the regular season.

The danger is if you get a specific player who carries so many limitations and tradeoffs, that a long 2 ball is all he has to offer.

Relentlessly bombarding the other team with the three ball is a way to overcome a team that is clearly more talented than you are. Also it helps your floor spacing if you have players that simply don't move well off the ball or don't move well at all.

For example, I don't think a long 2 is a bad thing for LaMarcus Aldridge, who is a pretty good mid range jump shooter. However for a guy like STAT, who offers you so little everywhere else, having an effective three ball would create some solutions for the tradeoffs he presents when he's on the floor.

Absolutely!

If Milsap can add it to his game then why can't/shouldn't stat?

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

djsunyc wrote:in terms of the knicks - they take most of their shots from long 2...which is probably the dumbest thing to do. whereas analytic team darlings houston refuse to take the long 2.

thats correct. long 2's are the worst shots in basketball.

I think half-court and beyond are worse

good one