Knicks1969 wrote:I am not saying Hardaway is Kobe, but judging by how irrational some of you are, you probably would want to trade Kobe as well when he was in his second year in the league. The kid is suffering just like all other young players in his second season in the league, which requires for this organization to be patient with him.

Bryant averaged 15/3/2 with .9 steals a game his second season which was a marked improvement over his rookie campaign. Hardaway, with known weaknesses in defense, rebounding, and basically every category except shooting 3's has shown not 1 iota of improvement in any category and has regressed in some of them including scoring (which by the way is nuts to think he could actually rebound LESS than last season).

While I don't advocate giving up on the kid so soon it certainly DOES NOT LOOK GOOD that he is regressing like this. It's a terrible sign. That is something that can't be ignored so if someone came knocking with a trade you'd have to think about it.

Thats why when you talk about trading for draft picks, I'm thinking, we're going to have to wait 3 to 4 yrs for this kid to develop. If you are going to trade a player like THJ,and your talking about contending while melo is in his prime, I'm going to get a young establish player, a player thats been in the league 3 to 5 yrs.

Get back a large trade exemption that we can use next season
Either use players to match Wroten's contract or even our 3.6m trade exemption that we attained from the Tyson Chandler trade

We need speed/quickness/ability to penetrate/finsh/and facilitate
More importantly, we have many roster positions to fill and will need to find cheap but productive players
KJ McDaniels signed a 1 year deal that will make him a UFA in the end of the year, he is one of the leaders in steals/blocks has the ability to spread the floor, and will likely improve much in the next 2 years
We also need a G/F that has the ability to defend/block shots that CA does not offer at SF, so we need to make up for that in other positions and he would fit in with Adektenkmpo

Tim Hardawy JR can flat out shoot and score, while MCW is the franchise of the team while Wroten needs the ball in his hands to be a productive player
With Tim Hardaway JR and their stash in Dario Saric Philly can have a lineup of

MCW
Tim Hardaway JR
Saric
Noel
Embid

ALL of these players will be locked in rookie contracts, while they can concentrate on the recovery and development of their young high ceiling talents
They are planning to tank till at least 2017, while adding as many assets as they can in the mean time, when their young talents show some promise, by 2017 they will the ability to sign/trade for 3 ALL STAR's in the near max to pair with their young talented core

Wroten has great size and speed/quickness/athleticism/strength, and could play both PG and SG
He is one of the leaders in the NBA in points *at about 20pts*, steals, getting to the FT line, and rebounds for a PG, averaging
The combination of talents that Wroten and ability to penetrate/finish with contact is very comparable to ALL STARs like

John Wall
James Harden
Ginobili (a young one)
Lance Stephenson
Tyreke Evans

He has to work on his shooting for more consistency but somewhere down the line Philly likely will have to choose between MCW or Wroten as both players needs the ball in their hands to be effective and are not the best shooters, while Tim Hardawy JR is the opposite, with Embid in the post, MCW having a great size advantage, Noel's athleticism/length, they need shooters to spread the floor to operate with good floor spacing

So he can play with Calderon and Calderon has the ability to mentor him in to being a better facilitator and shooter

H1AND1 wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:I am not saying Hardaway is Kobe, but judging by how irrational some of you are, you probably would want to trade Kobe as well when he was in his second year in the league. The kid is suffering just like all other young players in his second season in the league, which requires for this organization to be patient with him.

Bryant averaged 15/3/2 with .9 steals a game his second season which was a marked improvement over his rookie campaign. Hardaway, with known weaknesses in defense, rebounding, and basically every category except shooting 3's has shown not 1 iota of improvement in any category and has regressed in some of them including scoring (which by the way is nuts to think he could actually rebound LESS than last season).

While I don't advocate giving up on the kid so soon it certainly DOES NOT LOOK GOOD that he is regressing like this. It's a terrible sign. That is something that can't be ignored so if someone came knocking with a trade you'd have to think about it.

It has only been 9 games so far this season, through which he played very well in at least two of the nine games when he gets consistent minutes. The kid has been inconsistent, because he received inconsistent minutes from his coach; One day he is the starter, the next game he doesn't see the court due to "alleged" matchup issues. Fisher is a rookie coach who is learning on the fly; as a result is hurting Tim's development.

The problem is coaching and Tim's inability to take it upon himself to use the same energy he uses to easily shoot the ball to go after rebounds and defend. He has all of the abilities in the world to be a special player, but lacks the initiative to use his talents to do other things to help his team. He always park behind the three point line instead of putting himself in motion a la RAY ALLEN.

Furthermore, once the ball is released, he is often backpedaling instead of using his agility and quickness to attack the basket for rebounds. his issues are nothing that a good coach can't correct. He also needs good veteran leadership around him to guide him as a player. Something we don't have here in NY.

Give Tim time and good coaching, he will be fine.

F500ONE wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I don't like this backwards projectile that I'm seeing I expected more of an all around game. I would take nothing less than a 2015 first rounder

And because other teams may see what

You see they won't give you anything but a couple second rounders

He looked better under Woodson which is an

Indictment on Fisher, as this offense[triangle]

Is tailor made for THJR

I find it ironic THJR was Fisher's primary gun

In Preseason and he delivered but once he

Came around all these veteran player

Fisher is selling his soul like most coaches do

To them and caves in to the pressure to play vets

Or, maybe it's the more obvious explanation: That Hardaway has played badly and hasn't earned more time. He literally had 1 rebound over the course of a couple games for example.

Him playing badly as a function of the "vets" and bad coaching seems like an overwrought way to fit it into your narrative of Knicks=Bad, Phil=Fraud, Melo=Horrible Player. and hey I agree with some of your opinions and assertions but in the case of Hardaway I think it's more simple: He is a project and not as far along as a lot of people seem to have thought.