Dolan is to blame for that one

NardDogNation wrote:It was Dolan's fault for being unwilling to commit big dollars to Lin but it was Grunwald's fault for not getting anything for him. I could've cared less if Lin walked but we should never be in the business of surrendering assets without compensation.

Heading into that offseason, Grunwald should've approached the Rockets about a possible sign and trade, knowing that we'd NEVER match a contract for him. I still don't understand why we didn't elbow our way into that HOU-TOR deal that sent Lowry to Toronto and the Raptors pick to Houston. For the record, that pick got re-routed in the Harden deal and became Steven Adams. Had we gotten it though, we should've traded down (like the Wolves did) and picked up Dennis Schroeder and Gorgui Dieng instead. We definitely would not have missed the playoffs with those two.

The sad thing is if we knew we weren't going to keep Lin we could have traded him for Dragic or Lowry. What went wrong was that we intended to re-sign him, but then Dolan felt betrayed, and a s we all know with Dolan it was all about loyalty over everything else.

smackeddog wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:It was Dolan's fault for being unwilling to commit big dollars to Lin but it was Grunwald's fault for not getting anything for him. I could've cared less if Lin walked but we should never be in the business of surrendering assets without compensation.

Heading into that offseason, Grunwald should've approached the Rockets about a possible sign and trade, knowing that we'd NEVER match a contract for him. I still don't understand why we didn't elbow our way into that HOU-TOR deal that sent Lowry to Toronto and the Raptors pick to Houston. For the record, that pick got re-routed in the Harden deal and became Steven Adams. Had we gotten it though, we should've traded down (like the Wolves did) and picked up Dennis Schroeder and Gorgui Dieng instead. We definitely would not have missed the playoffs with those two.

The sad thing is if we knew we weren't going to keep Lin we could have traded him for Dragic or Lowry. What went wrong was that we intended to re-sign him, but then Dolan felt betrayed, and a s we all know with Dolan it was all about loyalty over everything else.

Exactly! You knew teams were growing to throw ridiculous money at him, so you should've turned the entire thing into a bidding war. We all knew that Toronto was wildly interested in him, particularly after losing out on Steve Nash. Why not approach them with a deal so that the Rockets would feel compelled to negotiate with us? Like you said, there was no reason we shouldn't have walked away with the Rocket PG's that they were actively trying to dump; or the Raptors pick, which we could've used as we saw fit.

TripleThreat wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:Kostas Papanikolaou, our 2nd round draft pick in 2011 that was traded for Raymond Felton, is looking pretty good. His stats won't bowl you over but he looks like a nice role player for the Rockets that doesn't have any glaring flaws aside from his shaky jumper. He seems to really have a nose for finding the ball off boards and in finding the open man. Haven't gotten a feel for his defense yet but the guy looks like he'll be a solid glue guy moving forward. It seems like Glen Grunwald's resume is looking worse and worse with time.

Houston is in a strange place. Their offseason hinged on getting Bosh or Lowry or Melo and then resigning Parsons, instead they ended up with Ariza and losing Parsons and trading of Asik and Lin. They lost a ton of depth. Though it's giving guys like Isaiah Canaan, Tarik Black and Kostas P a chance to play.

Euro draft stashes are big time lottery tickets. Many don't pan out. That being said, if Morey was interested in one, I'd be wary if I were the Knicks (Morey has a good eye for undervalued talent)

The Knicks however were in no position to keep tossing out even those long range lottery tickets.

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On an aside, I still don't get the Dolan Felt Betrayed narrative.

Melo wanted Lin off the roster. Pure and simple. Anything Linsanity related had to go, nothing could take Melo's spotlight from him. Pringles had to go. Fields had to go. Chandler had to go. Novak had to go. Jeffries had to go. Lin had to go.

Dolan wanted to keep his band opening for real musicians. CAA could make that happen. They made a big investment to get Melo to NY. They weren't going to let Lin take all their spotlight, so Lin had to go.

I do wonder how much of this is Dolan and how much of this was Grunwald. We consistently make ill-fated decisions to move draft picks for marginal players. Our ineptitude in that regard is truely remarkable especially when you consider that we consistently manage to keep the ****tier of our draft picks, irrespective of who the GM is (e.g. Toney Douglas and Landry Fields) but trade the higher impact ones (e.g. Jordan Hill). One of the major silverlines of having Phil Jackson here is that Dolan is no longer a common denominator in all of this (hopefully).

As for Melo contributing to the departure of the marginal players you listed, I doubt it. He doesn't seem to be a manelovent kind of guy. And even if he did, who cares? Landry Fields hasn't been seen or heard of in years. The same guys for Steve Novak and Jared Jefferies. And what has Lin proven other than he is Exceptionally good at getting injuried and committing unforced turnovers?

newyorknewyork wrote:It turned out the way it did because Knicks had every intention of keeping Lin. It wasn't until Lin went back for the 2nd contract that turned Dolan off. If Lin signed the poison pill contact up front with first offer then we probably keep him.

Rockets ended up losing a first round pick to dump the contract.

Then they should've matched him and traded him December 15th to the Rockets.

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:It turned out the way it did because Knicks had every intention of keeping Lin. It wasn't until Lin went back for the 2nd contract that turned Dolan off. If Lin signed the poison pill contact up front with first offer then we probably keep him.

Rockets ended up losing a first round pick to dump the contract.

Then they should've matched him and traded him December 15th to the Rockets.

Hard to match when you're playing hide and go seek

Grunwald moved from the bleachers, to the hallways,

To the janitor closet, to the clothes hamper, to inside

The double stacked washing machine dryer, to the HVAC crawl space

Up the elevator shaft, to inside the power generator cabinet

Scaled a ladder to the roof, down the construction shoot into the dumpster

Hid better than Osama ever could

newyorknewyork wrote:It turned out the way it did because Knicks had every intention of keeping Lin. It wasn't until Lin went back for the 2nd contract that turned Dolan off. If Lin signed the poison pill contact up front with first offer then we probably keep him.

Rockets ended up losing a first round pick to dump the contract.

Lin was never allowed to sign the first contract. At the beginning of free agency, like the first 3 to 5 days, other teams are only allowed to offer contracts but the players can only sign after the 3 to 5 day waiting period is over. Houston offered Lin the first contract, certain members of our team's administration ran their mouth about matching that deal, and Houston offered the second contract which Lin was then able to sign. Lin signed the only contract that was offered to him that he could sign; the first contract he couldn't until after the waiting period and we never offered him a contract.

freeskier wrote:

VCoug wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:It turned out the way it did because Knicks had every intention of keeping Lin. It wasn't until Lin went back for the 2nd contract that turned Dolan off. If Lin signed the poison pill contact up front with first offer then we probably keep him.

Rockets ended up losing a first round pick to dump the contract.

Lin was never allowed to sign the first contract. At the beginning of free agency, like the first 3 to 5 days, other teams are only allowed to offer contracts but the players can only sign after the 3 to 5 day waiting period is over. Houston offered Lin the first contract, certain members of our team's administration ran their mouth about matching that deal, and Houston offered the second contract which Lin was then able to sign. Lin signed the only contract that was offered to him that he could sign; the first contract he couldn't until after the waiting period and we never offered him a contract.

this is the most accurate statement on this thread

Yea there's been some wild accounts of what actually happened here over the years. I'm glad some are still able to call things as it was

RonRon wrote:Remember when Lin was listed as day to day, among with JR Smith/STAT/CA/IMAN/Camby/Wallace/Ronnie Brewer having much more serious injuries than reported

I wonder if Calderon and AB's injuries are a lot more serious than reported, it is the MSG way

You mean Rasheed Wallace's "Sore Left Foot"