Every night we go into a game were at a disadvantage in the middle and PG--almost impossible to make up for it.

Briggs this team is in tank mode hence why they don't play Amare or when they do they direct away from him. Amare gives the Knicks the best chance to win so why isn't he getting the shots. To me writing is on the wall we are officially in tank mode. It's a strategy I'm down for.

BRIGGS wrote:

OasisBU wrote:Never trade a big for a small which is essentially what we did since Dalembert isn't even close to Tyson.

Well the last two moves we made (Tyson Chandler) or did not make(Kyle Lowry) is the difference why we are 2-6 headed for the lottery(maybe a best case scenario in any respect) and has Dolan's fingerprints on both.

In ten year's when Phil's memoir In The Knick of Time comes out and he reveals he did everything to ensure we tanked this season, will that feel better in hindsight?

Much as it is easy to assume Dolan's motives behind everything (and for good reason), perhaps there is some chance Phil really has a plan which is not so obvious now.

If we get a top pick, it might be a sign of some glimmer of genius behind the scenes after all, a method to this madness for once.

Don't know, just messing around, but we can't be certain either way. After all, Tyson was not part of the future plans, so even if he were here one last season as a rental, would it really matter that much?

It would only matter if you thought his rental status got us a playoff berth and you're happy we get bounced in the 1st round again. I'd rather see what is happening now frankly (with a few exceptions regarding individual play), but tanking is the only thing that gives a shot at some small miracle for next season. I'm going to have to side with the Angels on this one and bless this tank job.

Besides Tyson was a walking blowjob by the time he left. I'm glad he's gone. Anything he does better elsewhere means he was dogging it here so he can go do you know what to himself.

Splat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

OasisBU wrote:Never trade a big for a small which is essentially what we did since Dalembert isn't even close to Tyson.

Well the last two moves we made (Tyson Chandler) or did not make(Kyle Lowry) is the difference why we are 2-6 headed for the lottery(maybe a best case scenario in any respect) and has Dolan's fingerprints on both.

In ten year's when Phil's memoir In The Knick of Time comes out and he reveals he did everything to ensure we tanked this season, will that feel better in hindsight?

Much as it is easy to assume Dolan's motives behind everything (and for good reason), perhaps there is some chance Phil really has a plan which is not so obvious now.

If we get a top pick, it might be a sign of some glimmer of genius behind the scenes after all, a method to this madness for once.

Don't know, just messing around, but we can't be certain either way. After all, Tyson was not part of the future plans, so even if he were here one last season as a rental, would it really matter that much?

It would only matter if you thought his rental status got us a playoff berth and you're happy we get bounced in the 1st round again. I'd rather see what is happening now frankly (with a few exceptions regarding individual play), but tanking is the only thing that gives a shot at some small miracle for next season. I'm going to have to side with the Angels on this one and bless this tank job.

Besides Tyson was a walking blowjob by the time he left. I'm glad he's gone. Anything he does better elsewhere means he was dogging it here so he can go do you know what to himself.

Phil could be setting himself up for the Oky Doke

We're headed towards cataclysmic devastation

He said this team is a playoff team and the East Is Up For Grabs

I think if we kept Tyson and Felton we'd still be 2-6 but I don't think

We'd look as bad as we have, we'll probably go on some late season

Fake hustle run of wins and jack everything up anyway

And I have 0 cuff interest in paying Shumpert Lance Stephenson money

BRIGGS wrote:

fishmike wrote:yea...
I mean with Tyson we are a 54 win team. Oh wait... Briggs have you been sleeping for 2 year?

Werent you saying 2 days ago that we got young players for a guy who was 1000% gone at the end of the year so you needed to reserve judgement?

Also with Tyson we started 3-10 and 5-15 with Tyson last year.

Absolutely--I would not have made that particular trade essentially because we are taking on space and 2nd rounders couldve been purchased BUT I do not kill PJ for it. However I keep hearing how bad Melo is and it's become irritating. I have never bashed Melo although I felt it was best to trade him. Melo is NOT a reason we lose(although he has played down a in a few games) The reason why we lose is we are over matched in the frontcourt every night. Is Jose C and 2's the best we could do for Tyson? What the hll is his trade value now? The guy is going to be an all star or close to it.

Have you forgotten how opposing frontcourts abused Tyson like he was a two-bit cowboy on a whipping post last season? He was not stopping teams. Deflections are groovy and all, but he was not much of a post presence last year. And he sure bitched and moaned on and off the court a whole lot.

So a change of scenery helped him. So what? He really had become completely underwhelming here, so moving her and Felton was pretty much necessary to change the vibe of this team and get a cleaner slate for the new regime.

BRIGGS wrote:

fishmike wrote:yea...
I mean with Tyson we are a 54 win team. Oh wait... Briggs have you been sleeping for 2 year?

Werent you saying 2 days ago that we got young players for a guy who was 1000% gone at the end of the year so you needed to reserve judgement?

Also with Tyson we started 3-10 and 5-15 with Tyson last year.

Absolutely--I would not have made that particular trade essentially because we are taking on space and 2nd rounders couldve been purchased BUT I do not kill PJ for it. However I keep hearing how bad Melo is and it's become irritating. I have never bashed Melo although I felt it was best to trade him. Melo is NOT a reason we lose(although he has played down a in a few games) The reason why we lose is we are over matched in the frontcourt every night. Is Jose C and 2's the best we could do for Tyson? What the hll is his trade value now? The guy is going to be an all star or close to it.

This team was desperate, desperate to dump Felton. By using Tyson they accomplished that and got some young guys to look at in the meantime.

We have all seen Tyson play well and nobody can deny he's an impact player when he's at the high level. We also saw him used and abused by Hibbert after winning 54 in the regular season. Bottom line was he was not a part of the future. If you want to say we should have waited to get better value for him thats fair. I cant knock that one bit, but looking at what Tyson gave us last year, his health, his attitude.. he had to go. He didnt want to be here.

fishmike wrote:yea...
I mean with Tyson we are a 54 win team. Oh wait... Briggs have you been sleeping for 2 year?

Werent you saying 2 days ago that we got young players for a guy who was 1000% gone at the end of the year so you needed to reserve judgement?

Also with Tyson we started 3-10 and 5-15 with Tyson last year.

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:yea...
I mean with Tyson we are a 54 win team. Oh wait... Briggs have you been sleeping for 2 year?

Werent you saying 2 days ago that we got young players for a guy who was 1000% gone at the end of the year so you needed to reserve judgement?

Also with Tyson we started 3-10 and 5-15 with Tyson last year.

That doesn't sound right. He got injured in like the 3rd or 4th game. Anyway, you really need to look at the plus/minuses in games he played in rather than the overall record. Otherwise, the team may have won or lost games while he was off the court and you shouldn't be crediting him.

Our win streaks usually happened with Tyson out- K-Mart was great for this team.

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:yea...
I mean with Tyson we are a 54 win team. Oh wait... Briggs have you been sleeping for 2 year?

Werent you saying 2 days ago that we got young players for a guy who was 1000% gone at the end of the year so you needed to reserve judgement?

Also with Tyson we started 3-10 and 5-15 with Tyson last year.

That doesn't sound right. He got injured in like the 3rd or 4th game. Anyway, you really need to look at the plus/minuses in games he played in rather than the overall record. Otherwise, the team may have won or lost games while he was off the court and you shouldn't be crediting him.

Our win streaks usually happened with Tyson out- K-Mart was great for this team.

See highlighted bold
Even that year, he had a good +/-. K-Mart probably played the best ball of his life (shooting like 70%) during that stretch though.

I used to like Tyson- when he actually tries and isn't ill or dogging it he's good. Unfortunately it seemed to be 50/50 with him. He wasn't staying past this season so we had to move him anyways- if we left it until the trade deadline his value would be low. Plus we got rid of felton. Don't know what people honestly thought we should/could have traded Tyson and Felon for.

gunsnewing wrote:This thread forecasts what it will be like last year when Shumpert is gone and the perimeter defense of jr, thj and melo is a joke

I'm still dreaming of the day we get to see this defensive lineup:

PG- Calderon
SG- Tim Jr
SF- Melo
PF- Bargs
C- Amar'e