mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Splat wrote:

knickscity wrote:(A)Honestly I dont blame melo for these losses even though his shooting has been poor, but he cant claim he hasnt gotten help this year. Someone has hit those double figures with him in every games, most notably Shumpert.

(B) What I will blame him for is when quality free agents dont come here because of him.

If that is how you feel, then A precedes B. Seems like a disassociation going on between cause and effect. What he does now leads to what happens then.

He's never attracted top flight talent, no one is beating the door down to play with him.

when have the knicks had cap room to get top flight talent?

1996 & 2010 thats it

pretty pathetic

They always shoot their load prematurely

gunsnewing wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Splat wrote:

knickscity wrote:(A)Honestly I dont blame melo for these losses even though his shooting has been poor, but he cant claim he hasnt gotten help this year. Someone has hit those double figures with him in every games, most notably Shumpert.

(B) What I will blame him for is when quality free agents dont come here because of him.

If that is how you feel, then A precedes B. Seems like a disassociation going on between cause and effect. What he does now leads to what happens then.

He's never attracted top flight talent, no one is beating the door down to play with him.

when have the knicks had cap room to get top flight talent?

1996 & 2010 thats it

pretty pathetic

They always shoot their load prematurely

The Tyson move was an opening but the effed that up

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Splat wrote:

knickscity wrote:(A)Honestly I dont blame melo for these losses even though his shooting has been poor, but he cant claim he hasnt gotten help this year. Someone has hit those double figures with him in every games, most notably Shumpert.

(B) What I will blame him for is when quality free agents dont come here because of him.

If that is how you feel, then A precedes B. Seems like a disassociation going on between cause and effect. What he does now leads to what happens then.

He's never attracted top flight talent, no one is beating the door down to play with him.

when have the knicks had cap room to get top flight talent?

1996 & 2010 thats it

pretty pathetic

They always shoot their load prematurely

The Tyson move was an opening but the effed that up

yea picked up Billups option for some godforsaken reason

gunsnewing wrote:

Splat wrote:

nixluva wrote:PUTRID 2nd half. This team has a hard time playing well for 48minutes.

That's Knicks basketball sadly. I don't remember 4 consecutive quarters of quality execution for years now.

a few times when we had Kidd. the rest of the 15+ years have been a disaster

Makes me nostalgic for the JVG days when he benched the entire starting unit, and only let them return to the game gradually, one by one.

One thing I can never figure out with these inconsistent quarters- are we a bad team that manages to play above its abilities for a Q or two, or are we an okay team that has a meltdown for a Q or two?

smackeddog wrote:

knickscity wrote:How do you talk about losing confidence after 7 games? These mental mdgets.

Ha, are you talking about the players or the fans?

Splat wrote:

knickscity wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

knickscity wrote:How do you talk about losing confidence after 7 games? These mental mdgets.

Ha, are you talking about the players or the fans?

I'm talking about the underrated superstar.

That's why you need a better star to go next to Melo. But we spent the kind of money you do on a truly elite player, so it is hard to spend that money twice. Melo's chickens will come home to roost and he will start praying for a better player to join him, because his mind is not steady enough to handle the pressure of being the man. The fictional narrative of Melo the Superstar is coming to an end.

Sadly, for Knicks fans, that's not necessarily a good thing. It would probably be better than he was a little bit more delusional than he already is. But you can tell he knows in his heart he is not enough and he never will be.

I'm not gloating. It's kind of sad and I'm saying that when I find it hard to pity anyone with his income. But as a Knicks fan I know this is not a good storyline.

No way Melo should be hanging his head already. It is totally wack. His mind is weak. Sorry, its true. He is not a champion.

Seriously, you could be 0-7 right now and you should be skipping to work just for the opportunity to work on learning new things and showing your teammates you're all in.

But instead he mopes and mumbles if his shot doesn't fall. Who cares? Everybody has slumps. It's your attitude knucklehead! Melo needs to wake up.

Only if Phil can catch lightning and get some real studs will Melo be saved from himself. Good luck Phil. You're going to need it man.

Spending max money twice on just a shooter is crazy. I said it in the game thread that Jamal Crawford is just as good as Melo really. And he is used correctly. He's a sixth man. Scores like he is expected to. No confusion and false expectations. Melo is so inaccurately represented its ludicrous, but still most fans think he's the foundation.

Do something magical Phil. Really, please.

I do agree fans think more of Melo than they should and he certainly isnt worth his dollars from a team perspective. Jamal Crawford isnt just as good though. J is a reserve, thats his role, he should never start. Melo is a complementary piece and shouldnt be a first option...but he certainly is a starter.

At this point Melo cannot carry a franchise, but he's definitely better than a sixth man.

Splat wrote:Yeah, I wouldn't get caught up into a debate about the Jamal comment. In terms of relative value you got my point. Sure, Melo is a starter.

I think Melo is like a girl who is already very pretty in 6th grade and who goes through HS coasting on their looks. Then the rest of their life happens and they eventually feel lost.

Melo really would have benefitted early in his career playing next to someone just as good as him offensively, but with a more complete game so he could get play 2nd banana to someone better and smarter than him and have the right cues instilled in him properly.

But he plays like the hot chick who expects things to just work out if throws his boobs around and bats his eyelashes.

She aint what they think she is....same with melo.

knickscity wrote:Melo is basically the chick that has had 4 husbands and they all are worse with her.

But the last two husbands were named Jimmy and they were loaded as hell, so she got paid.

This is Melo..... “I felt great,” Anthony said of the start. “Coming into the game, I felt good. First quarter, I felt good. I just kind of cooled down from there. I can’t really put a finger on what happened.

“I thought they made an adjustment. They looked at the first half, just like any team would, [and] they made an adjustment. I don’t think we did a good job at adjusting or keeping the same energy and focus up that we had in that first half.”

This is Shumpert....“I don’t think their defense affected us at all,” Shumpert said. “I think offensively we just got stagnant, [and] stopped doing what was working. That was reversing the ball side to side. The ball got stuck on one side and after that we weren’t evenly balanced coming back on defense. They got going.”

I'm not gonna comment on who is right or wrong in this, we all watch the games, we can see for ourselves, but you can tell there is very little unity on this team.

Splat wrote:

knickscity wrote:You can always tell when a team has no unity, the player comments on games are usually different.....

This is Melo..... “I felt great,” Anthony said of the start. “Coming into the game, I felt good. First quarter, I felt good. I just kind of cooled down from there. I can’t really put a finger on what happened.

“I thought they made an adjustment. They looked at the first half, just like any team would, [and] they made an adjustment. I don’t think we did a good job at adjusting or keeping the same energy and focus up that we had in that first half.”

This is Shumpert....“I don’t think their defense affected us at all,” Shumpert said. “I think offensively we just got stagnant, [and] stopped doing what was working. That was reversing the ball side to side. The ball got stuck on one side and after that we weren’t evenly balanced coming back on defense. They got going.”

I'm not gonna comment on who is right or wrong in this, we all watch the games, we can see for ourselves, but you can tell there is very little unity on this team.

This is precisely why I was joking on the game thread that Melo and Shump should make hot monkey love and have a whirlwind romance. They had a nice play where Melo hit Shump cutting to the basket for an easy layup. They've played together a long time. Stuff like that should happen all the time. I'm not saying I know Shump to be some kind of angel, but I've often felt Melo disregard him on the floor and Shump being the sensitive broad he is probably built up some serious resentments. They just need to do the deed and start over.

Very true, outside of that half season, melo and Shump has been together a long time.

Splat wrote:

knickscity wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

knickscity wrote:How do you talk about losing confidence after 7 games? These mental mdgets.

Ha, are you talking about the players or the fans?

I'm talking about the underrated superstar.

That's why you need a better star to go next to Melo. But we spent the kind of money you do on a truly elite player, so it is hard to spend that money twice. Melo's chickens will come home to roost and he will start praying for a better player to join him, because his mind is not steady enough to handle the pressure of being the man. The fictional narrative of Melo the Superstar is coming to an end.

Not really- we have space to sign another max player next year, then the cap increases. The problem is that it's so hard to sign superstars as free agents- in fact it's now becoming difficult to sign upper tier players and even young players with potential as outright free agents.