NardDogNation wrote:He's a knucklehead but he plays within the team/himself AND his skillset fits our team like a glove. We would've had to trade Amar'e in a separate deal to try and get far enough below the luxury tax to do a sign and trade but wouldn't it have been worth it? I'd have to think that the Pacers would take JR Smith and Tim Hardaway JR, if the the alternative was to lose Lance for nothing.

I think he is the type of player who needs to be in the "right" situation, aka strong veteran personalities to keep him in line. We saw last year when the pacers collapsed he would go off and play like a complete moron and out of control. Stealing rebounds from teammates, etc.

I think Lance on this Knicks team would be a disaster.

Nalod wrote:We would have not developed him and he might have caved as immature NYC man about town.
Indy did a good job being patient.

would have ruined him for life.

Probably. But Rautins? No way that e gets drafted if the knicks don't take him. Also, I believe he was 24 by training camp.

H1AND1 wrote:Was listening to a podcast the other day, can't rememeber which but the host was alluding to the fact that Lance has been not too pleased with his role in Charlotte. That he's already starting to perhaps wear on teammates nerves, etc.

I think he is the type of player who needs to be in the "right" situation, aka strong veteran personalities to keep him in line. We saw last year when the pacers collapsed he would go off and play like a complete moron and out of control. Stealing rebounds from teammates, etc.

I think Lance on this Knicks team would be a disaster.

We could have JR, getting paid $6-$7 nillion/yr, coming off the bench and playing like a moron. Or, we could have Lance Stephenson, getting paid $2-$3 million and starting. The latter is far more appealing to me, since the latter posts nightly quasi triple doubles and can defend LeBron James, one on one.

BigDaddyG wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:He's a knucklehead but he plays within the team/himself AND his skillset fits our team like a glove. We would've had to trade Amar'e in a separate deal to try and get far enough below the luxury tax to do a sign and trade but wouldn't it have been worth it? I'd have to think that the Pacers would take JR Smith and Tim Hardaway JR, if the the alternative was to lose Lance for nothing.

Right now, i'd say no. He's having a hard enough time getting fourth quarter minutes for the Bobcats. I might change my mind in 20 games or so.

Is he any worse than the specter of JR for the next two years? If he continues to struggle, I'd consider moving JR and THJr for him.

Splat wrote:

Splat wrote:It cracks me up that a MDA icon actually exists. That's hilarous

Can we get potato head and fish icons too?

we've been asking management for a woodson icon for years.

Wouldn't a fish icon touch off your anti-faithhead nerve?

H1AND1 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:Was listening to a podcast the other day, can't rememeber which but the host was alluding to the fact that Lance has been not too pleased with his role in Charlotte. That he's already starting to perhaps wear on teammates nerves, etc.

I think he is the type of player who needs to be in the "right" situation, aka strong veteran personalities to keep him in line. We saw last year when the pacers collapsed he would go off and play like a complete moron and out of control. Stealing rebounds from teammates, etc.

I think Lance on this Knicks team would be a disaster.

We could have JR, getting paid $6-$7 nillion/yr, coming off the bench and playing like a moron. Or, we could have Lance Stephenson, getting paid $2-$3 million and starting. The latter is far more appealing to me, since the latter posts nightly quasi triple doubles and can defend LeBron James, one on one.

Wait, how do we get Lance for $2-3 million? Charlotte is paying him a lot more than that. If your original question was who would you rather have: Jr or Lance I'd also pick Lance (duh) but your question I thought was asking about whether we should've gone after him in the previous offseason.

I'm an idiot. I meant to say that Lance would only be "$2-$3 million MORE per year" than JR.

Given our cap situation, the only way we could've pursued Lance was via sign and trade. It's why I brought up JR and his contract. One knucklehead (and assets) for a better knucklehead, seemed reasonable to me.

NardDogNation wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:Was listening to a podcast the other day, can't rememeber which but the host was alluding to the fact that Lance has been not too pleased with his role in Charlotte. That he's already starting to perhaps wear on teammates nerves, etc.

I think he is the type of player who needs to be in the "right" situation, aka strong veteran personalities to keep him in line. We saw last year when the pacers collapsed he would go off and play like a complete moron and out of control. Stealing rebounds from teammates, etc.

I think Lance on this Knicks team would be a disaster.

We could have JR, getting paid $6-$7 nillion/yr, coming off the bench and playing like a moron. Or, we could have Lance Stephenson, getting paid $2-$3 million and starting. The latter is far more appealing to me, since the latter posts nightly quasi triple doubles and can defend LeBron James, one on one.

Wait, how do we get Lance for $2-3 million? Charlotte is paying him a lot more than that. If your original question was who would you rather have: Jr or Lance I'd also pick Lance (duh) but your question I thought was asking about whether we should've gone after him in the previous offseason.

I'm an idiot. I meant to say that Lance would only be "$2-$3 million MORE per year" than JR.

Given our cap situation, the only way we could've pursued Lance was via sign and trade. It's why I brought up JR and his contract. One knucklehead (and assets) for a better knucklehead, seemed reasonable to me.

Ah, OK, I see. I think Lance is incredibly talented, dont get me wrong. Im rooting for him to become a great player (he led the league in triple doubles last year!) and is a great defender, I do have serious doubts that he'll ever get his head straight.

Now as for the scenario you posed in your response to me: If the Pacers wanted JR Smith in a sign and trade for Lance? Sure, I'd get on board as long as it was a reasonable contract (like the one he took from Charlotte, though that was out of spite towards the Pacers not giving him a whole lot more). Id be very concerned though that he'd implode here in NY on this particular team. Carmelo isn't a strong lockerroom presence from what I can gather so who would keep this guy in line?

Another thing: I just don't think the Pacers would've ever taken JR Smith off our hands. And I also don't get the logic that just because we have JR playing like a dumbass that means we should jump at the opportunity to trade him for another player who tends to play like a dumbass way more often than he should. I know, I know any team taking JR isn't going to be giving up much, but still. Im most scenario's Id rather JR have a decent year here, decent enough to opt out and just be gone from NY.

Maybe the Knicks could've put together another package for Lance? Who knows. Again, I see Lance on the Knicks as a very risky proposition UNLESS, as you say, there was an opportunity to get him while jettisoning some of our "problems" and signing him at a discount. That's the only scenario in which it would have been a mistake IMHO.