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F500ONE
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11/6/2014  12:38 PM
I haven't watched them much

Saw some of the thrashing last night in parts


It still looks frenetic

What I do know Klay and Curry are both


Averaging 27ppg and 26ppg respectively

This is with no Lee in the lineup


Klay is 50/50 right now, I know some things

Will level off but has anyone seen them play

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11/6/2014  12:40 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/6/2014  12:41 PM
F500ONE wrote:I haven't watched them much

Saw some of the thrashing last night in parts


It still looks frenetic

What I do know Klay and Curry are both


Averaging 27ppg and 26ppg respectively

This is with no Lee in the lineup


Klay is 50/50 right now, I know some things

Will level off but has anyone seen them play

Its called "the talented guards" offense

so here is what phil is thinking ....
F500ONE
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11/6/2014  12:58 PM
mreinman wrote:
F500ONE wrote:I haven't watched them much

Saw some of the thrashing last night in parts


It still looks frenetic

What I do know Klay and Curry are both


Averaging 27ppg and 26ppg respectively

This is with no Lee in the lineup


Klay is 50/50 right now, I know some things

Will level off but has anyone seen them play

Its called "the talented guards" offense

So Kerr isn't running Triangle?

I thought he'd run a lot of it


Do they look out of sync with him there

Have you actually watched them

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11/6/2014  1:22 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/6/2014  1:23 PM
F500ONE wrote:
mreinman wrote:
F500ONE wrote:I haven't watched them much

Saw some of the thrashing last night in parts


It still looks frenetic

What I do know Klay and Curry are both


Averaging 27ppg and 26ppg respectively

This is with no Lee in the lineup


Klay is 50/50 right now, I know some things

Will level off but has anyone seen them play

Its called "the talented guards" offense

So Kerr isn't running Triangle?

I thought he'd run a lot of it


Do they look out of sync with him there

Have you actually watched them


I did watch them play a couple of times.

I myself have a hard time recognizing the triangle (aside from the high post / guard cuts).

I did not try to figure out their schemes.

Klay Thompson is playing far better than I thought he was capable of.

Curry's handle is plain crazy and they are very hard to defend since you can't give their guards an inch which opens everything else up.

They looked pretty in sync when I saw them thought their offense (to me) does not look that much different from last year.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
RonRon
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11/6/2014  1:38 PM
I don't see Triangles, I see plays that utilize double screens/floor spacing that make it impossible to defend the shooters that GS has
In a sense, Kerr has grabbed all the philosophies from all of his previous coaches in Poppavich/Phil Jackson/and Dantoni *when Kerr was the GM/President of Operation*
He has been absorbing all the knowledge as an analyst and waiting for the opporutity that he was thinking Phil Jackson would have gave him eventually
Instead he fell in love with Curry and how he see's a bit of himself with steriods and much more skills

Kerr is very smart and intelligent so as a student of the game, as an anaylst for TNT, he traveled in all the games, and play off series, seeing/learning/watching/observing everything in addition to what he has experienced with MJ/Pippen/Kukoc and PHil Jackson and Poppavich, Duncan/Robinson, and he has taken things that he has learned from X and O's and development/how to push buttons for different personalities

He has taken a page out of the entire NBA through different generations and put them all in 1
In a sense like turning a specific fighting style and not running just ONE philosophy but learning how to incorporate all strategies, turning it in to MMA than just 1 style
Fisher is a great leader and I like everything I have heard from him but the talent on GS cannot be even compared to the talent we have
On top of all that, Kerr has been preparing himself for years for this day, while Fisher just realized this summer he could mke over 3-4 times what he is making without going through the pain he goes through after each game in a 82 game season

Kerr also has YOUNG talent that do not have bad habits, while his team was already assembled
He realizes that Curry is 10x the player he was but now has the ability to use himself to his fullest potential in his supreme prime with another efficient shooter/scorer/and under rated defender in Klay Thompson
Marc Jackson also set the tone on DEFENSE and got them all to BUY IN on TEAM BASKETBALL, luckily for Kerr he inherited a team that is a contender with youth and fits his beliefs very well
Bogut has been the glue, along with Draymond Green at the 4 instead of Lee, with Iggy leading the bench as a 6th man
Lee is now expendable and with the development of Green being a RFA this summer *he will get paid* along with Harrison Barnes *who is also expendable*
There will be a lot of decisions to make in the off season and his past experiences as the GM of the Sun's gives him an edge in the perspective of being a coach and GM/president of operation, along with being a small market team that are contenders
They decided that having Klay Thompson's contract resovled would lead the better play so Klay wouldn't have to look to justify his contract and play TEAM Basketball, making Winning the priority and not contracts being a distraction for their core of duo's


And mixed it in with how he thought he could have been utilized better as a ROLE PLAYER, in a sense extending his career to Curry who has even more skills/athleticism and Klay Thompson

He is maximizing the floor spacing provided by those 2 and the open lanes that they create in addition to the PnR's that force an OPEN SHOT or if the BIG comes out, the screener rolls for the basket
If there is someone else that helps as the BIG gets the ball, the ball goes right back out for a wide open 3

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11/6/2014  1:44 PM
mreinman wrote:
F500ONE wrote:I haven't watched them much

Saw some of the thrashing last night in parts


It still looks frenetic

What I do know Klay and Curry are both


Averaging 27ppg and 26ppg respectively

This is with no Lee in the lineup


Klay is 50/50 right now, I know some things

Will level off but has anyone seen them play

Its called "the talented guards" offense

Yep, basically. Klay is dominating. Curry remains silky smooth. Most offensively gifted backcourt in the league.

I've got a fever and the only prescription is more cowbell!
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11/6/2014  1:53 PM
The most 3 most important things that maker Kerr a good coach

1- he was a role player throughout his career but he knows how to motivate and make all role players maximized and stayed focus
Basketball is a team sport and he needs all players 1-12 to be ready when called upon, he is able to get them all to buy in and continue to improve

2- his experience with The Sun's, unlike most coaches, he knows exactly what his boss/the owner, and he has a great relationship with, is exactly thinking
He is able to translate his experiences throughout his entire career in all stages, watching all generations of talents, as the game continues to evolve

3- he is extremely smart and like a sponge absorbed all the knowledge throughout his entire career as a player, playing with the GOAT and multiple different talents both on the court and in practices
As an anylyst, he was able to watch the game evolve and learn through the good and bad, especially how and why certian things work and not work
He is able to translate everything he has learned from players and coaches
Let's not forget that many of the greatest coaches like Poppavich and coaches like Jeff Van Gundy were, Phil Jackson, all were once role players and Poppavich looks for coaches that had to work hard to make up for their lack of physical talents
So he played with GOAT of both players and Coaches, along with experience to his supervisors

Jordan
Pippen
Kukoc
Rodman

Duncan
Robinson
Ginobili

Poppavich/Phil Jackson

EXPERIENCE with The Sun's and Dantoni, how they clashed in personalties/system
How Dantoni was able to win with his OFFENSE

along with all the experience watching from the sidelines as an anylyst and watching the x and o's of playoff basketball for contenders/champions throughout his career and after he retired
Using all experiences and being able to translate it into a very talented and young team like GS

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11/6/2014  1:59 PM
They are running SSOL.
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11/6/2014  3:13 PM
mreinman wrote:
F500ONE wrote:I haven't watched them much

Saw some of the thrashing last night in parts


It still looks frenetic

What I do know Klay and Curry are both


Averaging 27ppg and 26ppg respectively

This is with no Lee in the lineup


Klay is 50/50 right now, I know some things

Will level off but has anyone seen them play

Its called "the talented guards" offense

haha.

I have to agree...that is, by far, the most talented back court in the NBA. At this pace, could go down as one of the best ever.

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11/6/2014  3:30 PM
they are running a mish mash of different philosophies. They play some of the triangle and also MDA SSOL with a lot of high PnR.
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11/7/2014  9:05 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/7/2014  9:07 PM
I've watched a few GS games. They look more SAS right now, than Triangle, to me. The biggest change I see is that Curry is running the team and manning the PG position (for the most part) but the ball movement is more complex, frequently running through Iggy, Bogut, Green and Curry drawing defenders as the receiver, not the passer. In the same way that certain SASs plays are built around Duncan and Leonard, while Parker is running to get open/distract, GS's new offense swaps traditional roles around in ways that (hopefully) take advantage of mismatches/mismatched skills/etc. Parts of the offense are clearly still a work in progress. And that's scary. Not everything quite works yet, David Lee has been hurt (say what you want about his skills, he's more useful healthy than hurt), Ezeli and Livingston are coming off injuries, and there are a lot of sloppy turnovers/plays . . . so, barring injury, GS is likely to get better.

Amazingly, they are still playing great defense. Thompson is clearly better than he was last year and Curry has made further changes to his defense--mostly his footwork and off-ball movement--that create more steals/disrupted plays/etc. Oddly, they seem so focused on defense that some of their transition offense seems to be suffering. Again, once they work that out, they will get better.

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