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BRIGGS
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11/3/2014  10:49 AM
He is usually talked about in a dogged way but he's played very well so far--he helped win that game last night. Hes still a 20-10 player given 32 minutes.
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11/3/2014  10:56 AM
BRIGGS wrote:He is usually talked about in a dogged way but he's played very well so far--he helped win that game last night. Hes still a 20-10 player given 32 minutes.

played well but the defense for the most part was brutal ... and another 0 assist night.

He refuses to pass the ball.

This is on Melo as well. 0 assists in the second half and a refusal to attempt to pass out of the double team.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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11/3/2014  10:56 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/3/2014  10:58 AM
We can use his points. He giveth and taketh though. He could be productive on offense and still have plays on defense where he is impersonating a maitre'd. For that reason, even 20 points from Stat sometimes feels like the equivalent of 12 points.

Mostly, with him you need floor balance, so Sam or Cole or Acy should be on the floor at the same time.

Him and Melo together is being given some time by Fish it seems and they've had a few good moments, but other times they still are not a good combo on the floor.

Stat should be coming off the bench as a 2nd unit player. That's his best role now.

That's all fine, but there will be some nights where teams run circles around him and his D becomes a real liability. But that's a situational thing for Fish to deal with. Other times, he can help us win games.

He still doesn't know his azz from his triangle though.

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11/3/2014  11:30 AM
people dont look at this guy objectively anymore. I get it.
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11/3/2014  11:31 AM
I love him in his role unless you are suggesting starting and playing him 32mins a night the. I don't think its good for our defense and chemistry
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11/3/2014  11:35 AM
Here's some props for Amare

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11/3/2014  11:51 AM
How many points did Jefferson have in the second half? Amar'e played a lot due to foul trouble. Did he improve in the second half?
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11/3/2014  11:52 AM
One thing we haven't seen so far is the turnovers. Last yea he was not passing and kicking the ball out of bounds. Baby steps.
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11/3/2014  11:58 AM
Amare was never a 20/10 player....

I give respect when is due. Amare had a good offensive game Last night. He went back and forth with al Jefferson in the post and it was fun to see. But the dude is either going to score or turn the ball over. He did both yesterday. He got rebound but he hardly was in the mix fighting for rebound. All of his boards came to him. He still will not secure rebounds in traffic and if we really need it.

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11/3/2014  12:07 PM
mreinman wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:He is usually talked about in a dogged way but he's played very well so far--he helped win that game last night. Hes still a 20-10 player given 32 minutes.

played well but the defense for the most part was brutal ... and another 0 assist night.

He refuses to pass the ball.

This is on Melo as well. 0 assists in the second half and a refusal to attempt to pass out of the double team.

Your point on not passing isn't accurate. Someone on twitter, I think Chris Herring, posted a number which showed that Amar'e has actually passed on the majority of touches he's had so far. They might not be resulting in assists, but the ball has been moving.

On defense, you are right. I think he's trying though. Jefferson scored on 3 straight touches on him in the 3rd, however, STAT made an effort to adjust and move him further from the paint. That helped.
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MSG3 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:He is usually talked about in a dogged way but he's played very well so far--he helped win that game last night. Hes still a 20-10 player given 32 minutes.

played well but the defense for the most part was brutal ... and another 0 assist night.

He refuses to pass the ball.

This is on Melo as well. 0 assists in the second half and a refusal to attempt to pass out of the double team.

Your point on not passing isn't accurate. Someone on twitter, I think Chris Herring, posted a number which showed that Amar'e has actually passed on the majority of touches he's had so far. They might not be resulting in assists, but the ball has been moving.

On defense, you are right. I think he's trying though. Jefferson scored on 3 straight touches on him in the 3rd, however, STAT made an effort to adjust and move him further from the paint. That helped.

Stat has has been moving the ball on the perimeter where he is just meant to flow and handoff (Melo too). However, once it goes into the post (ISO or with an intent to score) and they intend to shoot, there is very little chance that ball is being passed.

Amare does NOT pass once he decides that he is making a move to the hoop.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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11/3/2014  12:14 PM
Can we at least try to be reasonable when judging our own players??? STAT has been good considering the adjustment to the new style of play and his physical history. We NEED him.
The same goes for Melo n JR. we want perfect but that is only going to ignore the fact that all 3 have gotten better. So far they have made some improvement. The hope is they will get better with more time. STAT is still an effective player.
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11/3/2014  12:41 PM
Props to Amare. We won last nite.

Can he go 32 min a game?
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11/3/2014  12:44 PM
mreinman wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:He is usually talked about in a dogged way but he's played very well so far--he helped win that game last night. Hes still a 20-10 player given 32 minutes.

played well but the defense for the most part was brutal ... and another 0 assist night.

He refuses to pass the ball.

This is on Melo as well. 0 assists in the second half and a refusal to attempt to pass out of the double team.

Your point on not passing isn't accurate. Someone on twitter, I think Chris Herring, posted a number which showed that Amar'e has actually passed on the majority of touches he's had so far. They might not be resulting in assists, but the ball has been moving.

On defense, you are right. I think he's trying though. Jefferson scored on 3 straight touches on him in the 3rd, however, STAT made an effort to adjust and move him further from the paint. That helped.

Stat has has been moving the ball on the perimeter where he is just meant to flow and handoff (Melo too). However, once it goes into the post (ISO or with an intent to score) and they intend to shoot, there is very little chance that ball is being passed.

Amare does NOT pass once he decides that he is making a move to the hoop.

agree and thank god for that
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11/3/2014  12:48 PM
I like Amar'e- he seems more committed to rebounding so far this season- I hope he keeps it up!
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11/3/2014  1:26 PM
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:He is usually talked about in a dogged way but he's played very well so far--he helped win that game last night. Hes still a 20-10 player given 32 minutes.

played well but the defense for the most part was brutal ... and another 0 assist night.

He refuses to pass the ball.

This is on Melo as well. 0 assists in the second half and a refusal to attempt to pass out of the double team.

Your point on not passing isn't accurate. Someone on twitter, I think Chris Herring, posted a number which showed that Amar'e has actually passed on the majority of touches he's had so far. They might not be resulting in assists, but the ball has been moving.

On defense, you are right. I think he's trying though. Jefferson scored on 3 straight touches on him in the 3rd, however, STAT made an effort to adjust and move him further from the paint. That helped.

Stat has has been moving the ball on the perimeter where he is just meant to flow and handoff (Melo too). However, once it goes into the post (ISO or with an intent to score) and they intend to shoot, there is very little chance that ball is being passed.

Amare does NOT pass once he decides that he is making a move to the hoop.

agree and thank god for that

STAT is a scorer and not a playmaker. We have to temper our expectation of how much passing he should do. Just to underscore that we only had 12 TO's and 23 assists. That's a great balance for this team. PLUS it's still early in the process. People need to get off his back really.
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nixluva wrote:
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:He is usually talked about in a dogged way but he's played very well so far--he helped win that game last night. Hes still a 20-10 player given 32 minutes.

played well but the defense for the most part was brutal ... and another 0 assist night.

He refuses to pass the ball.

This is on Melo as well. 0 assists in the second half and a refusal to attempt to pass out of the double team.

Your point on not passing isn't accurate. Someone on twitter, I think Chris Herring, posted a number which showed that Amar'e has actually passed on the majority of touches he's had so far. They might not be resulting in assists, but the ball has been moving.

On defense, you are right. I think he's trying though. Jefferson scored on 3 straight touches on him in the 3rd, however, STAT made an effort to adjust and move him further from the paint. That helped.

Stat has has been moving the ball on the perimeter where he is just meant to flow and handoff (Melo too). However, once it goes into the post (ISO or with an intent to score) and they intend to shoot, there is very little chance that ball is being passed.

Amare does NOT pass once he decides that he is making a move to the hoop.

agree and thank god for that

STAT is a scorer and not a playmaker. We have to temper our expectation of how much passing he should do. Just to underscore that we only had 12 TO's and 23 assists. That's a great balance for this team. PLUS it's still early in the process. People need to get off his back really.

so its okay to have one of the worst usg : assist ratio's in history?

"STAT is a scorer and not a playmaker" ???

Hot Air.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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11/3/2014  1:58 PM
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:He is usually talked about in a dogged way but he's played very well so far--he helped win that game last night. Hes still a 20-10 player given 32 minutes.

played well but the defense for the most part was brutal ... and another 0 assist night.

He refuses to pass the ball.

This is on Melo as well. 0 assists in the second half and a refusal to attempt to pass out of the double team.

Your point on not passing isn't accurate. Someone on twitter, I think Chris Herring, posted a number which showed that Amar'e has actually passed on the majority of touches he's had so far. They might not be resulting in assists, but the ball has been moving.

On defense, you are right. I think he's trying though. Jefferson scored on 3 straight touches on him in the 3rd, however, STAT made an effort to adjust and move him further from the paint. That helped.

Stat has has been moving the ball on the perimeter where he is just meant to flow and handoff (Melo too). However, once it goes into the post (ISO or with an intent to score) and they intend to shoot, there is very little chance that ball is being passed.

Amare does NOT pass once he decides that he is making a move to the hoop.

agree and thank god for that

STAT is a scorer and not a playmaker. We have to temper our expectation of how much passing he should do. Just to underscore that we only had 12 TO's and 23 assists. That's a great balance for this team. PLUS it's still early in the process. People need to get off his back really.

so its okay to have one of the worst usg : assist ratio's in history?

"STAT is a scorer and not a playmaker" ???

Hot Air.

Hot air is asking a guy who scores at 55% or where ever he is these days to pass when he should be looking to score. Yea.. thats not hot air its good basketball.
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11/3/2014  2:01 PM
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:He is usually talked about in a dogged way but he's played very well so far--he helped win that game last night. Hes still a 20-10 player given 32 minutes.

played well but the defense for the most part was brutal ... and another 0 assist night.

He refuses to pass the ball.

This is on Melo as well. 0 assists in the second half and a refusal to attempt to pass out of the double team.

Your point on not passing isn't accurate. Someone on twitter, I think Chris Herring, posted a number which showed that Amar'e has actually passed on the majority of touches he's had so far. They might not be resulting in assists, but the ball has been moving.

On defense, you are right. I think he's trying though. Jefferson scored on 3 straight touches on him in the 3rd, however, STAT made an effort to adjust and move him further from the paint. That helped.

Stat has has been moving the ball on the perimeter where he is just meant to flow and handoff (Melo too). However, once it goes into the post (ISO or with an intent to score) and they intend to shoot, there is very little chance that ball is being passed.

Amare does NOT pass once he decides that he is making a move to the hoop.

agree and thank god for that

STAT is a scorer and not a playmaker. We have to temper our expectation of how much passing he should do. Just to underscore that we only had 12 TO's and 23 assists. That's a great balance for this team. PLUS it's still early in the process. People need to get off his back really.

so its okay to have one of the worst usg : assist ratio's in history?

"STAT is a scorer and not a playmaker" ???

Hot Air.

Hot air is asking a guy who scores at 55% or where ever he is these days to pass when he should be looking to score. Yea.. thats not hot air its good basketball.

so guys who generally shoot > 55% percent should not pass?

And all the great ones who did were idiots?

Do you proofread what you write?

Lets just find silly excuses for our allies so that we / they will not / cannot be held accountable .... for anything

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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11/3/2014  2:12 PM
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:He is usually talked about in a dogged way but he's played very well so far--he helped win that game last night. Hes still a 20-10 player given 32 minutes.

played well but the defense for the most part was brutal ... and another 0 assist night.

He refuses to pass the ball.

This is on Melo as well. 0 assists in the second half and a refusal to attempt to pass out of the double team.

Your point on not passing isn't accurate. Someone on twitter, I think Chris Herring, posted a number which showed that Amar'e has actually passed on the majority of touches he's had so far. They might not be resulting in assists, but the ball has been moving.

On defense, you are right. I think he's trying though. Jefferson scored on 3 straight touches on him in the 3rd, however, STAT made an effort to adjust and move him further from the paint. That helped.

Stat has has been moving the ball on the perimeter where he is just meant to flow and handoff (Melo too). However, once it goes into the post (ISO or with an intent to score) and they intend to shoot, there is very little chance that ball is being passed.

Amare does NOT pass once he decides that he is making a move to the hoop.

agree and thank god for that

STAT is a scorer and not a playmaker. We have to temper our expectation of how much passing he should do. Just to underscore that we only had 12 TO's and 23 assists. That's a great balance for this team. PLUS it's still early in the process. People need to get off his back really.

so its okay to have one of the worst usg : assist ratio's in history?

"STAT is a scorer and not a playmaker" ???

Hot Air.

Hot air is asking a guy who scores at 55% or where ever he is these days to pass when he should be looking to score. Yea.. thats not hot air its good basketball.

so guys who generally shoot > 55% percent should not pass?

And all the great ones who did were idiots?

Do you proofread what you write?

Lets just find silly excuses for our allies so that we / they will not / cannot be held accountable .... for anything

Its a stupid point. Im sorry. Do you want to compare Amare to "the great ones." If you do go ahead.

Whats your point? Amare isnt a good passer. You win. Who cares. He's here for one more year *maybe*

He's a great scorer. His scoring impacts the game. Passing to the ball to JR, Shump, Larkin, Prigs (like he would shoot it anyway) instead of attacking and scoring is NOT going to impact the game.

The best thing Amare can do for the Knicks is score the ball at that rate. You want him to pass more? Please tell you think Amare is hurting the Knicks because he should be passing more and shooting less.

What is it your looking to hold Amare accountable for after last night's game? Please elaborate.

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