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11/1/2014  10:56 AM
Melo's advanced stats vs Cleveland(Lebron)

62% TS
59% EFG
33.6 Usage
34.4 Ast%
123 Offensive Rating

Higher Ast% then Usage %

The "magic fairy dust" worked for one game. Now Melo we just need 80 more like this.

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11/1/2014  11:04 AM
those are mvp numbers

frankly i would be overjoyed with

58%TS
30% USG
22% AST
4.5 assists

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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11/1/2014  11:28 AM
Great article.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/10/31/schmeelk-derek-fisher-was-the-difference-in-knicks-win-over-cavaliers/

Anthony’s late-game success actually started the night before, thanks to Fisher. When the Knicks were getting blown out by Chicago, Fisher limited Melo’s minutes to 29. Against the Cavaliers he only played 34, and in neither game was he working as the team’s offensive engine like he did in every game last year. Last season, Anthony played fewer than 35 minutes just 14 times (not counting games he left early due to injury). He was often exhausted at the end of games, which resulted in his 38 percent field-goal percentage in fourth quarters. On Thursday night he had fresh legs, and it showed.

Keep Melo's mins down, keep his legs, reduce his work load. Maybe he will be able to maintain his efficiency.

Looks like there are variables other then Melo being a low iq, shot happy, pos, douche that effect his efficiency.

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11/1/2014  11:30 AM
dk7th wrote:those are mvp numbers

frankly i would be overjoyed with

58%TS
30% USG
22% AST
4.5 assists

well he finished 3rd a few years ago. Considering how weak this team is he could be in the running. If we win the 45 I predict I would say he's n the running for sure, because without him this is a 15 win team
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11/1/2014  12:00 PM
http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2014/11/1/7138115/three-lovely-triangle-plays-from-the-knicks-win-over-the-cavaliers

The Knicks dished out thirty assists in Thursday night's win over Cleveland. While New York is plainly still getting used to running the Triangle offense, its implementation appears to have already resulted in more ball movement. Of the Knicks' thirty assists, ten appear to have been created as a direct result of a Triangle action. We aren't at peak triangularity yet, but it's a start. Here's what it looks like when the Knicks get the offense humming.

Our first example is a relatively simple action. Pablo Prigioni brings the ball up the floor with Iman Shumpert acting as the lag option. Because Cleveland decided to apply halfcourt pressure, Matthew Dellavedova is over-playing Shumpert at the top of the key.

10.30.14 Smith Backdoor Step

Jason Smith makes the right decision and flashes to the free throw line to potentially initiate the 'backdoor step' action. Prigioni enters the ball to Anthony on the wing and cuts to the corner. This is known as 'strong side entry, strong side fill' for those of you who love playcalling terminology. The triangle is formed with Anthony in the wing, Prigioni in the corner, and Amar'e Stoudemire in the post.

10.30.14 Melo Lob to STAT

Smith is moving towards Dellavedova to screen for Shumpert to cut to the rim, but take another look above at the paint. It's completely open. There literally isn't one player protecting the paint, because Tristan Thompson is fronting Stoudemire. Anthony recognizes this and throws a nice lob pass over the top to Stoudemire. Kevin Love realizes what's happening as the pass sails through the air, but is unable to stop Stoudemire from finishing the dunk over his head. Here is that play in GIF form, via Bronx Chica:

This is repeatable offense that does not require much spent energy on the part of the Knicks' leading scorer, Anthony. The Knicks struggled to create offense without Carmelo initiating plays last season under former coach Woodson, but the Triangle offense offers more opportunities for other scoring weapons to get involved without disempowering Anthony.

This next action is an example of how the Knicks can use Anthony's 'gravity' to create easy opportunities for his teammates. J.R. Smith brings the ball up the floor and enters to Quincy Acy at the wing. Prigioni fills the corner, and Anthony fills the post to complete the triangle.

10.30.14 Edited Acy-Anthony-Prigioni Triangle

Shawn Marion is pushing Anthony far from the basket, but Acy enters the ball into Anthony anyway. Keep an eye on LeBron James here. He is defending J.R. Smith, and cannot leave Smith too much space at the top of the three point arc. As Anthony prepares to work Marion over on the block, Varejao comes over to double him. Aldrich quickly reacts by executing the backdoor step and rubbing his defender off of a quick Acy screen. Anthony hits Aldrich with the pass, and after a slight fumble Aldrich gathers the ball and finishes the layup through two defenders.

The last action we look at here is a little more complicated, but it's an example of the Knicks trusting the system to generate a good shot. Shane Larkin begins here by bringing the ball up the floor and making the lag pass to Shumpert. He cuts to the strong side corner while Shumpert enters the ball to Anthony at the wing. Samuel Dalembert cuts across the lane in an action known as center opposite to form a triangle with Anthony and Larkin. Instead of feeding Dalembert in the post, Anthony makes the fourht-option pass to Larkin and cuts baseline while Larkin and Dalembert begin a side pick-and-roll.

10.30.14 Larkin Dalembert PnR

Larkin comes off the screen and passes to Shumpert at the top of the key, but Shump mishandles the pass and misses the opportunity to either pass to Acy by the rim or Anthony open in the corner. With the options now closed, Acy shapes up in the post and forms a new triangle with Shumpert and Anthony.

10.30.14 Acy-Anthony-Shumpert Triangle

Shumpert passes to Larkin at the top of the arc and Larkin initiates another pick-and-roll with Dalembert. While the defense (and most importantly: LeBron) is watching this action unfold, Shumpert sets a down screen for Anthony who comes up from the corner. James stands no chance at recovering in time and has to switch with Dion Waiters, who can only watch as Anthony drills the jumpshot off of the pass from Larkin.

These three examples show how many variations emerge from a well-run Triangle. Everybody on the floor becomes an active member of the offense, and there isn't as much ball-watching as we've previously seen with Carmelo Anthony-led teams. These aren't plays in the traditional sense; the Knicks merely follow the path of least resistance to an open shot. There is still a long way to go before the team fully buys in, but the very early returns are encouraging.

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11/1/2014  9:42 PM
good read
so here is what phil is thinking ....
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11/1/2014  9:44 PM
Do me a favor what were these numbers

5th game of the 2013-2014 season

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11/1/2014  10:12 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/1/2014  10:12 PM
F500ONE wrote:Do me a favor what were these numbers

5th game of the 2013-2014 season

Link if you want to look stuff up on your own.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anthoca01/gamelog/2014/

58 TS%
57 efg%
26.9 Ast%
31.4 Usage%
120 O-rating

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11/1/2014  10:45 PM
Also, Melo got a very even distribution of points quarterly, basically divvying up his 24 points almost evenly over 4 quarters. This is ideal and indicates how an efficient system can get him what is still close to a league-leading average with far less effort than in the past. Averaging six points in a quarter for him is 2 or three makes. It won't be even like that every game, but it does indicate already the offense is diversifying rapidly, which is awesome.
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11/1/2014  10:48 PM
Splat wrote:Also, Melo got a very even distribution of points quarterly, basically divvying up his 24 points almost evenly over 4 quarters. This is ideal and indicates how an efficient system can get him what is still close to a league-leading average with far less effort than in the past. Averaging six points in a quarter for him is 2 or three makes. It won't be even like that every game, but it does indicate already the offense is diversifying rapidly, which is awesome.

I want to see fourth quarter assists which was always his problem

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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11/1/2014  10:51 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/1/2014  10:52 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
F500ONE wrote:Do me a favor what were these numbers

5th game of the 2013-2014 season

Link if you want to look stuff up on your own.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anthoca01/gamelog/2014/

58 TS%
57 efg%
26.9 Ast%
31.4 Usage%
120 O-rating


Okay so obviously he's been close

To those initial numbers in first post last year and early last year


Which would be the case probably for his career

But here's a funny little tidbit


In games where Carmelo's TS was 57% or better[43gms]

Knicks record was 24-19


In games where Carmelo's FG% was 47% or higher[39gms]

Knicks record was 22-17


22-17>24-19 by %[slimmest of margin]


Like I said just highlight his FG% and maybe his ast, ast/to

That's all we really need to know, the advanced stats are


For extra entertainment to kill time and alleviate boredom


What we need is for him to shoot 47-50% or better

In more than half the games on the schedule


Fill up the box scores as best he can elsewhere

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11/1/2014  10:54 PM
we need a TS of 58+ as all the cool/smart/non-hasbeens people keep saying.
so here is what phil is thinking ....
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11/1/2014  11:02 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/1/2014  11:06 PM
mreinman wrote:we need a TS of 58+ as all the cool/smart/non-hasbeens people keep saying.


Consistently being 56% or above is better than league average

But according to last year 58%+ TS[35gms] produced results of


20-15 record 20-15>22-17[slimmest of margin]


Advanced stats are cute but Hella aren't they

My point is if TS% was a huge barometer


We should see a greater disparage of distance correlation

TS% in comparison to FG%

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11/1/2014  11:13 PM
mreinman wrote:
Splat wrote:Also, Melo got a very even distribution of points quarterly, basically divvying up his 24 points almost evenly over 4 quarters. This is ideal and indicates how an efficient system can get him what is still close to a league-leading average with far less effort than in the past. Averaging six points in a quarter for him is 2 or three makes. It won't be even like that every game, but it does indicate already the offense is diversifying rapidly, which is awesome.

I want to see fourth quarter assists which was always his problem

For starters, just being able to shoot more than crunch time bricks is satisfying. Leading the league in minutes killed his clutchness. If he can play team ball at crunch time, get assists and do it regularly, I'll massage his damn feet.

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11/1/2014  11:16 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/1/2014  11:18 PM
F500ONE wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
F500ONE wrote:Do me a favor what were these numbers

5th game of the 2013-2014 season

Link if you want to look stuff up on your own.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anthoca01/gamelog/2014/

58 TS%
57 efg%
26.9 Ast%
31.4 Usage%
120 O-rating


Okay so obviously he's been close

To those initial numbers in first post last year and early last year


Which would be the case probably for his career

But here's a funny little tidbit


In games where Carmelo's TS was 57% or better[43gms]

Knicks record was 24-19


In games where Carmelo's FG% was 47% or higher[39gms]

Knicks record was 22-17


22-17>24-19 by %[slimmest of margin]


Like I said just highlight his FG% and maybe his ast, ast/to

That's all we really need to know, the advanced stats are


For extra entertainment to kill time and alleviate boredom


What we need is for him to shoot 47-50% or better

In more than half the games on the schedule


Fill up the box scores as best he can elsewhere

there's a somewhat hidden salutary effect to a higher TS% which is that it ultimately contributes better to offensive cohesion and morale. in other words dudes will enjoy playing with you more when you score efficiently and less selfishly.

excelling at defense can have a similar effect.

the positivity of this increases over time.

TS% becomes vitally important come playoff time because you need increased trips to the line.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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11/1/2014  11:24 PM
dk7th wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
F500ONE wrote:Do me a favor what were these numbers

5th game of the 2013-2014 season

Link if you want to look stuff up on your own.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anthoca01/gamelog/2014/

58 TS%
57 efg%
26.9 Ast%
31.4 Usage%
120 O-rating


Okay so obviously he's been close

To those initial numbers in first post last year and early last year


Which would be the case probably for his career

But here's a funny little tidbit


In games where Carmelo's TS was 57% or better[43gms]

Knicks record was 24-19


In games where Carmelo's FG% was 47% or higher[39gms]

Knicks record was 22-17


22-17>24-19 by %[slimmest of margin]


Like I said just highlight his FG% and maybe his ast, ast/to

That's all we really need to know, the advanced stats are


For extra entertainment to kill time and alleviate boredom


What we need is for him to shoot 47-50% or better

In more than half the games on the schedule


Fill up the box scores as best he can elsewhere

there's a somewhat hidden salutary effect to a higher TS% which is that it ultimately contributes better to offensive cohesion and morale. in other words dudes will enjoy playing with you more when you score efficiently and less selfishly.

excelling at defense can have a similar effect.

the positivity of this increases over time.

TS% becomes vitally important come playoff time because you need increased trips to the line.

+1

three point shooting is also crucial. He is an excellent three point shooter when he shoots them off kick outs.

3's and 2's are valued equally with FG% which is very misleading.

I don't want him taking bad threes but he needs to take advantage of the efficient ones.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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11/1/2014  11:25 PM
I like any post that contains the phrase "salutary effect" in it.
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11/1/2014  11:41 PM
mreinman wrote:
dk7th wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
F500ONE wrote:Do me a favor what were these numbers

5th game of the 2013-2014 season

Link if you want to look stuff up on your own.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anthoca01/gamelog/2014/

58 TS%
57 efg%
26.9 Ast%
31.4 Usage%
120 O-rating


Okay so obviously he's been close

To those initial numbers in first post last year and early last year


Which would be the case probably for his career

But here's a funny little tidbit


In games where Carmelo's TS was 57% or better[43gms]

Knicks record was 24-19


In games where Carmelo's FG% was 47% or higher[39gms]

Knicks record was 22-17


22-17>24-19 by %[slimmest of margin]


Like I said just highlight his FG% and maybe his ast, ast/to

That's all we really need to know, the advanced stats are


For extra entertainment to kill time and alleviate boredom


What we need is for him to shoot 47-50% or better

In more than half the games on the schedule


Fill up the box scores as best he can elsewhere

there's a somewhat hidden salutary effect to a higher TS% which is that it ultimately contributes better to offensive cohesion and morale. in other words dudes will enjoy playing with you more when you score efficiently and less selfishly.

excelling at defense can have a similar effect.

the positivity of this increases over time.

TS% becomes vitally important come playoff time because you need increased trips to the line.

+1

three point shooting is also crucial. He is an excellent three point shooter when he shoots them off kick outs.

3's and 2's are valued equally with FG% which is very misleading.

I don't want him taking bad threes but he needs to take advantage of the efficient ones.

there is no doubt that he has a beautiful shot just as there is no doubt he is in love with himself. a good coach and a good system to boot should "force" better shots his way. catch and shoots are not as glamorous but he is far more effective at them than many other shots he e unfortunate habit of taking, with the notable exception of his right baseline fadeaway. that is a shot he should be taking late in games especially. don't think we will see too many elbow-range shots off two screens going right to left this season, but that too was an effective shot for him.

one other thing i'd love to see him develop if an old dog can be taught a new trick is NOT leaving his feet on every damned drive and finding some pocket pass opportunities.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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11/2/2014  1:33 AM
this guy is really good,

phil jax turns really good players into great ones, minus kobe because he always sucks

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11/2/2014  9:13 AM
F500ONE wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
F500ONE wrote:Do me a favor what were these numbers

5th game of the 2013-2014 season

Link if you want to look stuff up on your own.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anthoca01/gamelog/2014/

58 TS%
57 efg%
26.9 Ast%
31.4 Usage%
120 O-rating


Okay so obviously he's been close

To those initial numbers in first post last year and early last year


Which would be the case probably for his career

But here's a funny little tidbit


In games where Carmelo's TS was 57% or better[43gms]

Knicks record was 24-19


In games where Carmelo's FG% was 47% or higher[39gms]

Knicks record was 22-17


22-17>24-19 by %[slimmest of margin]


Like I said just highlight his FG% and maybe his ast, ast/to

That's all we really need to know, the advanced stats are


For extra entertainment to kill time and alleviate boredom


What we need is for him to shoot 47-50% or better

In more than half the games on the schedule


Fill up the box scores as best he can elsewhere

Good info.

My thing is it isn't just about him magically shooting better and passing more. There are variables that contribute to him being efficient and clutch. Just like there are variables that contribute to him not being so.

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