TripleThreat wrote:nixluva wrote:Guys I'm not saying anything positive. I just said you have to keep perspective and how is that not true? This was a bad game but you can't get carried away by this one game. I'm pretty sure for some here it's just what you wanted to see. This team is going to have better nights than this so why get crazy after one game?
Because the mechanisms of change don't work in the NBA like they do in the NFL and MLB. In the NFL, you can turn your team around in two offseasons. You can truly try to win and still get incrementally better. You can find value all over the draft board, even if you aren't picking in the first few picks. In MLB, their draft is gigantic. Players move through the pipeline to your team in waves. You can get a team like the Royals, due to changes in competitive balancing ( revenue sharing, extra picks, compensation picks, etc) in the system.
The Knicks, for the next three seasons, the reasons for hope aren't all that great. It's not just "one night", it's the prospect of treadmilling for three years. And it's not like the decline of the Suns, where even in decline, even losing Marion and STAT, that Nash was able to give the fans a fun product on the court. The Suns were a fun team to watch.
The Knicks can't offer even that. They aren't even a throwback Don Nelson " Will Never Survive The Playoffs But Let's Fun And Gun Anyway " type of team.
Look at the division, Boston and Philly can offer their fans hope and young budding talent. Raptors can offer hope of a team on the rise. Brooklyn might be stagnant, but the talent disparity is huge compared the the Knicks, even if they have the same issues of limited future draft options and being at the tax line.
In pro sports, you can market WINNING/GOING FOR IT or you can market HOPE FOR THE FUTURE. That's it The Knicks currently offer NEITHER. I mean this is some dark Pittsburgh Pirates post Barry Bonds era territory here.
The issue isn't "one game", it's the prospect of three more years of this THEN having to do a full on rebuild at that point.
To me, the Knicks franchise is like a middle age guy with a rotting tooth. No, no, I WON'T GO TO THE MOTHER FUCKING DENTIST NOW. I'm going to suffer for THREE YEARS WITH THIS ROTTING TOOTH. Only to end up three years later having to get done what he should have done THREE YEARS BEFORE ANYWAY. We are all waiting for the full franchise reboot that Dolan should be doing now, but probably can't stand the media scrutiny anymore, so he hired a 60 million dollar aging babysitter.
What you are saying is definitely true but I think the Knicks situation _can_ turn out a bit different if a couple things break the teams way. Now, I know we are talking the Knicks here so if luck goes their way management will somehow find a way to **** it up and vice versa HOWEVER if the team continues to play as spectacularly bad as they did last night (and I think they will, this team is not a good one) then they have a chance to land a top pick in the upcoming draft.
If that happens the Knicks have a chance to get a young stud to add to a basically clean roster when 3/4 of the team is outta here next offseason. Some smart spending in free agency plus this pick plus Fisher getting his sea legs under him could have the team on a much, much better footing starting in 2015. Add to this the very real likelihood of the cap jumping as much as $20 million in 2016 and now we have a cap where Carmelo Anthony's gimundo contract is not even a concern in terms of acquiring more talent. Another plus.
Now you nor anyone else needs to remind me that again, we are talking the Knicks here who are seemingly constantly snakebitten since Dolan took over. That they will manage to **** it up. That Jackson is at heart a huckster looking for one last giant payday and/or his zen/triangle spiel is bull**** and will never work nor will he ever get through to Anthony. OK. I can totally see all that clear as can be.
Im just saying: If we get some breaks for once, the situation is not as dire as you laid out. It's possible that we are screwed for years, yeah, but Im hoping for once things go our way. Otherwise Ill just go insane.