mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:Clippers just don't have it...At best they are a second round and out team..They need to re-tool..They should make a run at Melo..If I were them, I'll offer Blake for Melo in a heartbeat..I think Melo would go to LA..

The clippers are not giving up blake for Melo ... c'mon man

Actually I have zero interest in Blake as a Knick..

regardless, his value his miles hire than melo's at this point.

We will disagree there..

yup ... and btw, I am not a big blake fan but the guy is up to 5 assists per game (I wish Melo would do this) and there is nothing really that Melo does better than him other than shoot more 3's.

Does Melo have the potential to be better than him? Probably. But he does not seem to want to take the next step ... maybe a few more zen dinners will change his mind.

Melo is a superior all round scorer, who can score from anywhere on the court..He would be a better fit on that current team..Just my view..Blake has a lot of talent around him and they are a second round and out team..I'm my humble opinion ..Melo/CP3 is more dangerous than CP3/Blake..

I think Melo is who is tho..Blake has upside..

I hate the term "scorer", its so old school. To me a superior scorer is one that shoots at a higher percentage and takes smarter shots.

I wish that Melo believed that he was less of a "scorer" and took smarter shots as well as passed the ball to his teammates.

Melo is a better shot creator but he also creates many horrible shots.

Blakes USG -> Assist rate destroys Carmelo's.

Melo is a much better FT shooter, yet Blake still has a higher TS.

If we are going by potential, Melo does not have anymore potential (barring a zen miracle brain intrusion), he is who he is (as you've stated).

Blake is probably better for the triangle as well.

Age, health, etc ... edge obviously Blake.

Tyson Chandler is a superior scorer??..He was shooting around 73% while here..

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:Clippers just don't have it...At best they are a second round and out team..They need to re-tool..They should make a run at Melo..If I were them, I'll offer Blake for Melo in a heartbeat..I think Melo would go to LA..

The clippers are not giving up blake for Melo ... c'mon man

Actually I have zero interest in Blake as a Knick..

regardless, his value his miles hire than melo's at this point.

We will disagree there..

yup ... and btw, I am not a big blake fan but the guy is up to 5 assists per game (I wish Melo would do this) and there is nothing really that Melo does better than him other than shoot more 3's.

Does Melo have the potential to be better than him? Probably. But he does not seem to want to take the next step ... maybe a few more zen dinners will change his mind.

Melo is a superior all round scorer, who can score from anywhere on the court..He would be a better fit on that current team..Just my view..Blake has a lot of talent around him and they are a second round and out team..I'm my humble opinion ..Melo/CP3 is more dangerous than CP3/Blake..

I think Melo is who is tho..Blake has upside..

I hate the term "scorer", its so old school. To me a superior scorer is one that shoots at a higher percentage and takes smarter shots.

I wish that Melo believed that he was less of a "scorer" and took smarter shots as well as passed the ball to his teammates.

Melo is a better shot creator but he also creates many horrible shots.

Blakes USG -> Assist rate destroys Carmelo's.

Melo is a much better FT shooter, yet Blake still has a higher TS.

If we are going by potential, Melo does not have anymore potential (barring a zen miracle brain intrusion), he is who he is (as you've stated).

Blake is probably better for the triangle as well.

Age, health, etc ... edge obviously Blake.

Tyson Chandler is a superior scorer??..He was shooting around 73% while here..

No, he doesn't shoot, he dunks. JR is a "scorer".

Let us stick to higher usage players who handle the ball and/or the offense needs to go through them.

Iverson was a scorer ... big whoop. I don't like scorers.

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:Clippers just don't have it...At best they are a second round and out team..They need to re-tool..They should make a run at Melo..If I were them, I'll offer Blake for Melo in a heartbeat..I think Melo would go to LA..

The clippers are not giving up blake for Melo ... c'mon man

Actually I have zero interest in Blake as a Knick..

regardless, his value his miles hire than melo's at this point.

We will disagree there..

yup ... and btw, I am not a big blake fan but the guy is up to 5 assists per game (I wish Melo would do this) and there is nothing really that Melo does better than him other than shoot more 3's.

Does Melo have the potential to be better than him? Probably. But he does not seem to want to take the next step ... maybe a few more zen dinners will change his mind.

Melo is a superior all round scorer, who can score from anywhere on the court..He would be a better fit on that current team..Just my view..Blake has a lot of talent around him and they are a second round and out team..I'm my humble opinion ..Melo/CP3 is more dangerous than CP3/Blake..

I think Melo is who is tho..Blake has upside..

I hate the term "scorer", its so old school. To me a superior scorer is one that shoots at a higher percentage and takes smarter shots.

I wish that Melo believed that he was less of a "scorer" and took smarter shots as well as passed the ball to his teammates.

Melo is a better shot creator but he also creates many horrible shots.

Blakes USG -> Assist rate destroys Carmelo's.

Melo is a much better FT shooter, yet Blake still has a higher TS.

If we are going by potential, Melo does not have anymore potential (barring a zen miracle brain intrusion), he is who he is (as you've stated).

Blake is probably better for the triangle as well.

Age, health, etc ... edge obviously Blake.

Tyson Chandler is a superior scorer??..He was shooting around 73% while here..

No, he doesn't shoot, he dunks. JR is a "scorer".

Let us stick to higher usage players who handle the ball and/or the offense needs to go through them.

Iverson was a scorer ... big whoop. I don't like scorers.

U not like scorers or the term doesn't deminish their talent or their impact on the game..

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

holfresh wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

holfresh wrote:JR playing great ball in his role..

Let's see how he does in the playoffs. Lebron is there so JR might deliver for a change. Shump is making the ESPN highlight reels tonight, not the first time since the trade. He's also benefiting from LeBron's leadership IMO.

The important thing for Cleveland is that JR is their 4th option not their second..JR can now spot up for a shot..He doesn't have to bring the ball up and create..Huge, huge difference..I don't think LeBron is a leader either..Another topic tho..

I don't believe JR's playoff performances as a Knick can be blamed on his role on the team. He's had different roles on this team in the playoffs and he's failed pretty much every time. From Cleveland's standpoint it is a big difference, you're right. I didnt believe that Lebron was a leader his first time in Cleveland, but I do believed that changed by the time he left Miami.

Catch and shoot JR is actually excellent. Maybe that is who they got and he could help them (now that he is focused and clean)

JR does a lot of things well when he's focused. He was a pretty good defacto PG at times when he won 6th man of the year, he has some sick spin moves to the rim, the talent is there and then some, just cant keep it together long enough to be elite.

GustavBahler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

holfresh wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

holfresh wrote:JR playing great ball in his role..

Let's see how he does in the playoffs. Lebron is there so JR might deliver for a change. Shump is making the ESPN highlight reels tonight, not the first time since the trade. He's also benefiting from LeBron's leadership IMO.

The important thing for Cleveland is that JR is their 4th option not their second..JR can now spot up for a shot..He doesn't have to bring the ball up and create..Huge, huge difference..I don't think LeBron is a leader either..Another topic tho..

I don't believe JR's playoff performances as a Knick can be blamed on his role on the team. He's had different roles on this team in the playoffs and he's failed pretty much every time. From Cleveland's standpoint it is a big difference, you're right. I didnt believe that Lebron was a leader his first time in Cleveland, but I do believed that changed by the time he left Miami.

Catch and shoot JR is actually excellent. Maybe that is who they got and he could help them (now that he is focused and clean)

JR does a lot of things well when he's focused. He was a pretty good defacto PG at times when he won 6th man of the year, he has some sick spin moves to the rim, the talent is there and then some, just cant keep it together long enough to be elite.

too stupid to be elite. talent is all there, brain is not.

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:Clippers just don't have it...At best they are a second round and out team..They need to re-tool..They should make a run at Melo..If I were them, I'll offer Blake for Melo in a heartbeat..I think Melo would go to LA..

The clippers are not giving up blake for Melo ... c'mon man

Actually I have zero interest in Blake as a Knick..

regardless, his value his miles hire than melo's at this point.

We will disagree there..

yup ... and btw, I am not a big blake fan but the guy is up to 5 assists per game (I wish Melo would do this) and there is nothing really that Melo does better than him other than shoot more 3's.

Does Melo have the potential to be better than him? Probably. But he does not seem to want to take the next step ... maybe a few more zen dinners will change his mind.

Melo is a superior all round scorer, who can score from anywhere on the court..He would be a better fit on that current team..Just my view..Blake has a lot of talent around him and they are a second round and out team..I'm my humble opinion ..Melo/CP3 is more dangerous than CP3/Blake..

I think Melo is who is tho..Blake has upside..

I hate the term "scorer", its so old school. To me a superior scorer is one that shoots at a higher percentage and takes smarter shots.

I wish that Melo believed that he was less of a "scorer" and took smarter shots as well as passed the ball to his teammates.

Melo is a better shot creator but he also creates many horrible shots.

Blakes USG -> Assist rate destroys Carmelo's.

Melo is a much better FT shooter, yet Blake still has a higher TS.

If we are going by potential, Melo does not have anymore potential (barring a zen miracle brain intrusion), he is who he is (as you've stated).

Blake is probably better for the triangle as well.

Age, health, etc ... edge obviously Blake.

Tyson Chandler is a superior scorer??..He was shooting around 73% while here..

No, he doesn't shoot, he dunks. JR is a "scorer".

Let us stick to higher usage players who handle the ball and/or the offense needs to go through them.

Iverson was a scorer ... big whoop. I don't like scorers.

U not like scorers or the term doesn't deminish their talent or their impact on the game..

not sure I understand the question.

I like Harden, you don't. I like guys who are efficient not guys who volume shoot teams out of games.

Creating shots is a talent, its only beneficial if the player uses it wisely.

Haden and Melo have identical percentages..Melo shoots a better 3 ball...Harden is a flopper who gets calls..I guess that's a talent..His playoff heart is in question..

35 points on 18 shots! Thats all you need to look at. How many shots does Melo need to get 35 points? Like 35?

mreinman wrote:Harden so far tonight;

35 points on 18 shots! Thats all you need to look at. How many shots does Melo need to get 35 points? Like 35?

It's not magic..Means he shoots more ft..don't even have to look it up..also..u can take 36 shots to score 36 points and still shoot 50%..

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:Harden so far tonight;

35 points on 18 shots! Thats all you need to look at. How many shots does Melo need to get 35 points? Like 35?

It's not magic..Means he shoots more ft..don't even have to look it up..also..u can take 36 shots to score 36 points and still shoot 50%..

yeah ... thats exactly the point. FT's, 3's, who cares how.

50% is irrelevant.

The dude shot 23 free throws tonight! Again, who cares how he scores his points? The point is that he does it without jacking up equal shots to points.

Jason Smith can shoot the same stupid FG that Harden does yet for some reason Harden is an MVP candidate.

Do you really think that 36 points on 36 shots is good? Of course you don't, even if that gets you to your magic 50%.

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mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:Harden so far tonight;

35 points on 18 shots! Thats all you need to look at. How many shots does Melo need to get 35 points? Like 35?

It's not magic..Means he shoots more ft..don't even have to look it up..also..u can take 36 shots to score 36 points and still shoot 50%..

yeah ... thats exactly the point. FT's, 3's, who cares how.

50% is irrelevant.

The dude shot 23 free throws tonight! Again, who cares how he scores his points? The point is that he does it without jacking up equal shots to points.

Jason Smith can shoot the same stupid FG that Harden does yet for some reason Harden is an MVP candidate.

Do you really think that 36 points on 36 shots is good? Of course you don't, even if that gets you to your magic 50%.

40 points on ONLY 23 shots tonight!

12 rebounds

9 assists

yeah ... melo and him are about equal

lol I wonder if people would still take Melo over Harden.

Melo diehards can't stant Harden, Griffin & Love because they know they are better. Production & valuewise