newyorknewyork wrote:

knickscity wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

knickscity wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Splat wrote:

KEEPCAMBYNY wrote:I think we're in a win win situation this year. If the system takes off and the team plays well then GREAT! If the team bombs, we then use our lotto pick to add another piece before FA, GREAT!! No stress or pressure this year, whatever happens, happens. Let's just enjoy the ride!

Sure, but if the system bombs, will it be a judgment on lack of talent incapable of learning a system or a judgment of the system itself?

That is the question that will follow Melo then, because if the wheels come off during this season and he then says fukit and plays hero ball the rest of the season, then you have an overpaid star ego to deal with for the next few years.

Yes, I'd like it to be as simple as you put it, because me likey lottery pix too, but it ain't. If this combusts, Melo Era # 2 could be in trouble if Melo cannot adjust his game, because we are not going to attract Max # 2 if Melo remains in the "Uber talented, he's so gifted I could puke, but um something isn't all there" category.

For Melo to be perceived as a winner, he needs to keep his head in the game all season long despite boneheads like JR or Amare who can't get a system. Melo has to show the ability to change the momentum of games doing things other than chucking the ball. Because if he doesn't, then we're stuck with just another big ego and it makes it harder to build a winning culture or attract the next wave of talent to the club.

After all, Melo is the consummate blah, blah, blah kind of speaker who says a whole lot of nothing and it rarely means a damn thing. Talk is cheap and Melo has talked plenty in the past and not backed up his generic team rah rah blather before. Him shoot, him score. But this is the juncture in his career where he has to prove he's more than that.

All the excuses made that Melo's teammates can't hit the side of a barn, thus Melo must go into hero mode is the biggest load of crap of all time. If he uses that as his excuse this season, there's no hope for this guy. He'll just be another Bob McAdoo. A scoring champion who can't raise the level of his teammates.

Not enough talent? That's the point of this year. To finally eat crow and accept what it takes to rebuild. He said he recognized the need to rebuild. So act like your words mean something Melo. Play the game right regardless of winning or losing and start a new chapter. If he doesn't, then this club is screwed no matter who they get.

The system produced 11 championships. There can be no possible judgement on the system. If it don't work its because of the players.

It produced 11 championships with some of the best players to ever play them game. It didnt produce a chamipionship without Jordan for a full season. It didnt produce anything when Rambis tried to use in Minny. The fact reamins...without quality talent no system produces anything. This is worst cast Phil has ever been in charge of...the system wont make these guys champions until the players are upgraded.

I agree though I wasn't really speaking as if we were championship contenders. We don't need to win a championship this yr for it to prove its worth clearly. My point is basically the same thing u said. It comes down to the players. The system can't be at fault.

At the same time Jordan didn't win any championships before the triangle was installed either. Shaq lost in the finals in Orlando and got swept in the playoffs 3 yrs in a row in LA.

You're kinda establishing the basis of my point, these players were on the verge of winning anyway. The system merely provided a stable ground to do so. Nothing wrong in losing to the finalist that far in the rounds, it shows he didnt need the triangle to get there.

The beauty of the triangle and Phil is as u said about the stability and cohesion not just on the court either. No longer will we pair an Amare with a Melo and a Bargs or Francis with Marbury and Eddie Curry and say u have talent make now make it work. We will go after bigs wings guards who fit the triangle. They will maximize the triangle and the triangle will maximize them since there skills and the system will fit each other. Our drafting, trades, signings will all be in cohesion towards the triangle.

So when we add bigs that pass well and wings and guards that love to move without the ball. These players are maximizing there skill sets that already match the triangle. When we start getting consistent production from role players outside of Melo due to the system then we will be in a good place.