Outside of Detroit, all of these teams were playoff teams last season, and for the most part will likely make strides to start the season off good to try to ensure that same success.

So much can happen based off these games here for the Knicks...confidence can grow if they successfully win some or at best all of these, confidence can falter if they win none or very few....but here in lies the question....

2 questions...1) How would you feel as a fan if any these three scenarios happen and 2) which one do you expect to happen...

1) Knicks successful win the majority of these matchups and achieve .500 or better.

2) Knicks lose a few heartbreakers, but fall a little short of the .500 mark.

3) Knicks reallty dont look good in the majority of these squeak a win or two by some form of opponent mishaps or dont win any.

If #1 happens, I'm ecstatic, it would show they truly are ready to be a competitive team and are doing things by system and by virtue of talent.

If #2 happens, is the more likely scenario imo, it will show they arent too far away from actually turning competing into winning. This is the one I think likely may happen.

If #3 happens, the sky will fall and they may not recover.

The bottom line will be a small differencial in our league. We are going to win games simply because we have Melo and the other teams dont. IF JR Timmy Amare and Melo can all get a hot groove like they did end of last year--we'll be good. If JRs back is hurt Amare isnt the same and other role players dont shime then we are likely on the other side of .500. To sum it up--I think we are just fine and we will not be a team that comes out and loses 7 out of 8. This is a 500 club

CrushAlot wrote:

EnySpree wrote:That's why we play the games....go knicks

Yep. A lot of doom and gloom based on a preseason game. The season starts on Wednesday.

I don't want it if it's easy. Bring on the season

nixluva wrote:

Splat wrote:The season is dependent on how this team behaves after those first 10 games, not particularly how well they do out of the gate. They will likely have a losing record after ten games. How they handle that early adversity will be the difference between being a lottery team and and an overachiever.

We don't know how they'll come out of the gate. We can only assume that they will get better as the season progresses but they may not actually lose games even if they play up and down in games. We have to see how they respond. I don't see them as a lottery team. That would take major disfunction like we saw last year and I don't see that happening this time.

You keep telling people they don't get it. What I see is you conflating your enthusiasm for Phil and Fish and the ideal of a new culture and a better system as tantamount to current improvements.

What I don't think you are getting is that is all sugar and spice and oh so nice, but we don't have the personnel to match up to most clubs. Any club with proficient frontline players is going to eat us alive in the paint and we simply will not have the players to stop them. That's just one of many deficiencies we have.

The real bottom line is only Melo would start elsewhere and Jose would only be a starter on a handful of clubs at his age now. Most of our players would get cut from other teams' training camps.

You can buy into the dream, but that dream is a long-term one. Your over the top cheerleading for this current collection of players has been ridiculously imbalanced and overstated.

If Phil handles the cap space well and they draft well and Fish develops the slight amount of long-term talent we have now, then maybe in a year or two this club could be at a place commensurate with your present outlook. At this juncture, you're sounding like you can't help being enthusiastic constitutionally and that is just what you do, but it sure doesn't make you look like a person with much common sense.

Splat wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Splat wrote:The season is dependent on how this team behaves after those first 10 games, not particularly how well they do out of the gate. They will likely have a losing record after ten games. How they handle that early adversity will be the difference between being a lottery team and and an overachiever.

We don't know how they'll come out of the gate. We can only assume that they will get better as the season progresses but they may not actually lose games even if they play up and down in games. We have to see how they respond. I don't see them as a lottery team. That would take major disfunction like we saw last year and I don't see that happening this time.

You keep telling people they don't get it. What I see is you conflating your enthusiasm for Phil and Fish and the ideal of a new culture and a better system as tantamount to current improvements.

What I don't think you are getting is that is all sugar and spice and oh so nice, but we don't have the personnel to match up to most clubs. Any club with proficient frontline players is going to eat us alive in the paint and we simply will not have the players to stop them. That's just one of many deficiencies we have.

The real bottom line is only Melo would start elsewhere and Jose would only be a starter on a handful of clubs at his age now. Most of our players would get cut from other teams' training camps.

You can buy into the dream, but that dream is a long-term one. Your over the top cheerleading for this current collection of players has been ridiculously imbalanced and overstated.

If Phil handles the cap space well and they draft well and Fish develops the slight amount of long-term talent we have now, then maybe in a year or two this club could be at a place commensurate with your present outlook. At this juncture, you're sounding like you can't help being enthusiastic constitutionally and that is just what you do, but it sure doesn't make you look like a person with much common sense.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Splat wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Splat wrote:The season is dependent on how this team behaves after those first 10 games, not particularly how well they do out of the gate. They will likely have a losing record after ten games. How they handle that early adversity will be the difference between being a lottery team and and an overachiever.

We don't know how they'll come out of the gate. We can only assume that they will get better as the season progresses but they may not actually lose games even if they play up and down in games. We have to see how they respond. I don't see them as a lottery team. That would take major disfunction like we saw last year and I don't see that happening this time.

You keep telling people they don't get it. What I see is you conflating your enthusiasm for Phil and Fish and the ideal of a new culture and a better system as tantamount to current improvements.

What I don't think you are getting is that is all sugar and spice and oh so nice, but we don't have the personnel to match up to most clubs. Any club with proficient frontline players is going to eat us alive in the paint and we simply will not have the players to stop them. That's just one of many deficiencies we have.

The real bottom line is only Melo would start elsewhere and Jose would only be a starter on a handful of clubs at his age now. Most of our players would get cut from other teams' training camps.

You can buy into the dream, but that dream is a long-term one. Your over the top cheerleading for this current collection of players has been ridiculously imbalanced and overstated.

If Phil handles the cap space well and they draft well and Fish develops the slight amount of long-term talent we have now, then maybe in a year or two this club could be at a place commensurate with your present outlook. At this juncture, you're sounding like you can't help being enthusiastic constitutionally and that is just what you do, but it sure doesn't make you look like a person with much common sense.

I honestly thinks he believes this team is a championship team, dont know why he wont just say it and get it out the way.

he is 100% positive which is fine but its not objective. The knicks are my favorite sports team but i know this year will be a transition up and down year

I'd love for them to win these first 8 games in particular, nixluva knows they will, no chance the lose, no chance at at all, even if they struggle they'll still win. It would as he say take a "major disfunction"....when it reality just a talent difference vs their nightly opponent will be enough to do the trick.

knickscity wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Splat wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Splat wrote:The season is dependent on how this team behaves after those first 10 games, not particularly how well they do out of the gate. They will likely have a losing record after ten games. How they handle that early adversity will be the difference between being a lottery team and and an overachiever.

We don't know how they'll come out of the gate. We can only assume that they will get better as the season progresses but they may not actually lose games even if they play up and down in games. We have to see how they respond. I don't see them as a lottery team. That would take major disfunction like we saw last year and I don't see that happening this time.

You keep telling people they don't get it. What I see is you conflating your enthusiasm for Phil and Fish and the ideal of a new culture and a better system as tantamount to current improvements.

What I don't think you are getting is that is all sugar and spice and oh so nice, but we don't have the personnel to match up to most clubs. Any club with proficient frontline players is going to eat us alive in the paint and we simply will not have the players to stop them. That's just one of many deficiencies we have.

The real bottom line is only Melo would start elsewhere and Jose would only be a starter on a handful of clubs at his age now. Most of our players would get cut from other teams' training camps.

You can buy into the dream, but that dream is a long-term one. Your over the top cheerleading for this current collection of players has been ridiculously imbalanced and overstated.

If Phil handles the cap space well and they draft well and Fish develops the slight amount of long-term talent we have now, then maybe in a year or two this club could be at a place commensurate with your present outlook. At this juncture, you're sounding like you can't help being enthusiastic constitutionally and that is just what you do, but it sure doesn't make you look like a person with much common sense.

I honestly thinks he believes this team is a championship team, dont know why he wont just say it and get it out the way.

he is 100% positive which is fine but its not objective. The knicks are my favorite sports team but i know this year will be a transition up and down year

Being positive is fine, he actually sees nothing wrong with the team, which is delusion. A fan can have a positive outlook and be realistic.

I'd love for them to win these first 8 games in particular, nixluva knows they will, no chance the lose, no chance at at all, even if they struggle they'll still win. It would as he say take a "major disfunction"....when it reality just a talent difference vs their nightly opponent will be enough to do the trick.