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Mission Against Tanking for the Draft: Not Accomlished
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PresIke
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10/22/2014  3:43 PM
Funny how the angle is against "Big market teams." How does that make sense other than propaganda? Oh, I get it, it means you don't have to try to put an attempt at a winning product on the court.

If that means big market teams get an advantage then sorry, this is what we call sports. At least try to win games with what you have.

What a joke.

Big market teams are also under more pressure to keep (i.e. overpay for) bigger stars because their fan bases tend to demand a winning product more so than small markets, which also puts them at risk for making big money decisions that go bad vs. small market teams (we've seen that movie before...ahem amar'e).

OKC got Durant via tanking and ruining an entire city's fans hearts by taking that money and running from Seattle with their assets.

So wack...

Boooooo.


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--nba-owners-nix-lottery-reform-plan-154009158.html

Sources: NBA owners nix lottery reform plan

The NBA’s draft lottery reform was voted down by the league’s owners Wednesday at the Board of Governors meetings in New York, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

The current lottery system – a weighted format in which the worst team has 25 percent of the pingpong balls for the No. 1 overall pick and a guarantee it'll drop no lower than fourth in the draft order – will remain as 13 teams voted against reform, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

"Several teams started to wonder about unintended consequences and voted ‘no’ to be able to do further study," one owner told Yahoo Sports.

Among the “no” votes were big-market teams Chicago and Washington, a source said, with small-market Sacramento, in a strange twist, voting for lottery reform.

The remaining teams that voted no were Phoenix, Philadelphia, Oklahoma City, New Orleans, Detroit, Miami, Milwaukee, San Antonio, Utah, Washington and Atlanta, sources said.

On Tuesday, it appeared likely that the reform would pass, with opponents Philadelphia and Oklahoma City seemingly struggling to get the support of six more teams to block the movement.

Under the proposal, the worst four teams would have had a 12 percent chance at the first pick, No. 5 would have had an 11.5 percent chance, No. 6, 10 percent, and on down. What's more, the worst team could have dropped as far as seventh in the draft order, the second worst could drop to No. 8, and so on.

With the current system, the bottom three teams have 64 percent, 56 percent and 47 percent chances of getting top-three picks. Under the proposal, that would have changed to 35 percent.

Thunder general manager Sam Presti had campaigned against the reform, thinking it would give big-market franchises another advantage over small markets. Big-market teams have an advantage signing superstar free agents and an advantage trading for them because those players are far more apt to agree to sign a contract extension. The lottery proposal created some concern that big-market teams would also get better access to top players higher in the draft.

Wednesday’s development obviously didn’t leave everyone thrilled. One glum general manager told Yahoo Sports: "Well, we still have the 'be-as-[expletive]-as-humanly-possible' strategy available in the future if we need it."

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10/22/2014  4:34 PM
The league should reward all the teams in the draft by placing a ping pong ball for all the teams. Worst team gets 32 ping pong balls all the way to one for the best team. Let the ping pongs balls roll in a barrel first ball out is the number one overall pick and so on.
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10/23/2014  11:29 AM
big market teams have more bullets in the chamber in trying to build a quality team - that's just the way it is. making it harder for non big market teams to draft better players takes away the one real shot they have at building a winner.
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10/23/2014  12:54 PM
I don't see how this is about small vs. large market teams.

For the longest time, Sterling & his clippers were in the lottery, picked up top tier talent, were in a large market, and still never retained talent or improved.

Given that we have our own pick this year, I'm not sure I would want to change the lottery this year.

After 20 games, I might change my mind depending on how bad we are or aren't playing.

VCoug
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10/23/2014  2:30 PM
franco12 wrote:I don't see how this is about small vs. large market teams.

For the longest time, Sterling & his clippers were in the lottery, picked up top tier talent, were in a large market, and still never retained talent or improved.

Given that we have our own pick this year, I'm not sure I would want to change the lottery this year.

After 20 games, I might change my mind depending on how bad we are or aren't playing.

That's not because the Clippers couldn't retain their talent, they didn't want to pay.

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10/23/2014  2:41 PM
VCoug wrote:
franco12 wrote:I don't see how this is about small vs. large market teams.

For the longest time, Sterling & his clippers were in the lottery, picked up top tier talent, were in a large market, and still never retained talent or improved.

Given that we have our own pick this year, I'm not sure I would want to change the lottery this year.

After 20 games, I might change my mind depending on how bad we are or aren't playing.

That's not because the Clippers couldn't retain their talent, they didn't want to pay.

Sort of like Philly getting MCW and getting ready to trade him away before they have to pay him.

I've never understood the ping pong concept. You want reform, go back to the original format -- nobody gets sheehit for tanking. And stop the whiney conspiracy theory crap. It's the 21st century. You can fix bingo as easily as you can fix envelopes.

Suhucking big time isn't helping Milwaukee or Utah or Orlando. For every SanTone, you have three Boston, Miami and Cleveland.

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10/23/2014  8:05 PM
jrodmc wrote:
VCoug wrote:
franco12 wrote:I don't see how this is about small vs. large market teams.

For the longest time, Sterling & his clippers were in the lottery, picked up top tier talent, were in a large market, and still never retained talent or improved.

Given that we have our own pick this year, I'm not sure I would want to change the lottery this year.

After 20 games, I might change my mind depending on how bad we are or aren't playing.

That's not because the Clippers couldn't retain their talent, they didn't want to pay.

Sort of like Philly getting MCW and getting ready to trade him away before they have to pay him.

I've never understood the ping pong concept. You want reform, go back to the original format -- nobody gets sheehit for tanking. And stop the whiney conspiracy theory crap. It's the 21st century. You can fix bingo as easily as you can fix envelopes.

Suhucking big time isn't helping Milwaukee or Utah or Orlando. For every SanTone, you have three Boston, Miami and Cleveland.

I've always argued the best way to stop tanking is to reverse the order of the lottery and give the best team to miss the playoffs the #1 pick and so on. Those teams that are currently at the bottom of the lottery are in the worst position. They're not good enough to compete for a title, it's very difficult to get a truly game-changing player where they're drafting, and the best players in the league generally wouldn't want to sign there.

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knickscity
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10/23/2014  8:23 PM
The best way to truly elimnate tanking is to eliminate the draft lottery altogether. I was reading from grantland that a proposal was out in the mix to have a one time draft position lottery, where no matter what the team did that year, they would still know their pick.

The wheel like this......

The system is designed to eliminate the link between being very bad and getting a high draft pick. There is no benefit at all to being bad under a wheel system like this. If you believe tanking is morally wrong, or that it hurts business by alienating fans and cutting into attendance, this is a system you could get behind.


Then reopen the draft eleigibility back to 18.

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10/23/2014  8:32 PM
I think what some of the owners citing

Unattended consequences has to do with


A team like the Cavs in 2-3yrs could

Hit the jackpot again and prolong a potential Dynasty to no end


You'd also have tank yrs by teams

Knowing what they have coming to them


Also fans may budget to support the team

Based on their lottery lot


What could be done is change the % chances

Based on how teams finish last 15-20gms of the season


Like reward the teams with highest winning %

The last month or so of the season, who wind up in the lottery

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10/23/2014  8:37 PM
Tanking is eliminated with the wheel, it doesnt improve your position as that position is set. What it does do is provide teams with amazing leverage in trades and forces teams to build actual teams and not rely soley on the lottery.
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10/23/2014  10:23 PM
knickscity wrote:Tanking is eliminated with the wheel, it doesnt improve your position as that position is set. What it does do is provide teams with amazing leverage in trades and forces teams to build actual teams and not rely soley on the lottery.


I said tank yrs but what I meant

If I know I have picks 7 and 6


Coming to me in consecutive yrs

And my team isn't that good


I may pass loading to team up with J.R. Smith type of salary

A year or two prior, let the cap lie and or bottom out


Make sure the slate is clean the yrs the picks come

Then spend like a banji going forward

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