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Very interesting article: Phil Jackson Scouts Knicks roster
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smackeddog
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10/22/2014  11:43 AM
Some very interesting and honest insight into how Phil sees every player, and hints about what the plan is for each:

http://espn.go.com/nba/preview2014/story/_/id/11654375/nba-phil-jackson-point-view-new-york-knicks

It's worth reading the whole thing, but here are a few snippets:

JACKSON ON: Tim Hardaway Jr., SG
"In most colleges, defense is not really emphasized and the idea is for your player to outscore his opponent. That's why playing defense in the NBA is such a challenge for a young player like Tim Hardaway Jr. He has the aptitude and the desire to be aggressive on defense, and during his rookie season he's gained a certain familiarity with the guys he has to guard, so we expect marked improvement from him in this area. Tim's shooting touch has never been questioned, but he has a tendency to stand around and wait for somebody to kick him the ball so he can launch 3-pointers. Tim also has trouble finishing with his left hand. Like Shane, Tim's summer-league experience gives him a head start on learning the offense, which is a significant advantage. Also, Tim is two inches taller than his listed 6-6, which also enables him to play some small forward. I expect that with his talents and his work ethic, sooner rather than later Tim will become an excellent all-around player in this league."

JACKSON ON: Travis Wear, SF
"Travis Wear is another impressive rookie. He's 6-10 with a terrific handle, outstanding athleticism and a nice touch from beyond the arc. He was overshadowed at UCLA, but has the skill set to play every position from 1 to 4. We'll eventually place him in the D-League, where his possible NBA future solely depends on his ability to learn how to defend."

JACKSON ON: Amar'e Stoudemire, PF/C"One of the keys to the season will be the play of Amar'e Stoudemire. Although his tender knees will require his playing time and his practice time to be carefully monitored, we hope he'll be able to play four rotations of eight minutes per game. That's because Stoudemire can still be a potent scorer. He can get to the middle when he's in the low post, and in screen-rolls he's a threat to either screen-and-pop or drive to the hoop. Playing adequate defense is a real challenge for him and he's also got to improve his rebounding. The preseason will also discover whether Amar'e is more effective playing the 4 or the 5 positions."

JACKSON ON: Andrea Bargnani, PF/C
"If Andrea Bargnani's initial season in New York was a disappointment, I believe he'll thrive in the triangle. The 3-point shot is a bit out of his range, but from 20 feet and in, Andrea is a deadly shooter. And those are the kinds of shots that the offense will generate for him. Still, there are two aspects of his offense that he has to work on. Because he only approaches the rim in straight lines, he needs to develop some kind of change-of-direction move with the ball -- perhaps a crossover dribble. Also, he's a finger-roller, not a dunker. Could he have small hands? Or does he just need to be more aggressive?

"Bargnani's defense likewise needs improvement. With his long arms, he can be an effective shot-blocker, but he's usually too reactive on defense. In the past, Andrea has been slow getting back in transition defense, and once there he's been unsure of what his rotation responsibilities have been. And like Amar'e, Andrea has to see which of the frontcourt positions suits him best."

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10/22/2014  11:55 AM
cool article, its interesting to see how far ahead Phil looks at a players potential, you can tell he's very confident in his staff's ability to develop young players and also to refine the skills of vets, I'm expecting to see every player on this team take a step forward in at least one area of their game this season.
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10/22/2014  12:00 PM
Doesn't sound as high on amare and bargnani as he is on THJ and wear
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10/22/2014  12:01 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Doesn't sound as high on amare and bargnani as he is on THJ and wear

Likely because he has no intention of having them on the team after this season!

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10/22/2014  12:11 PM
Here's the rest.....

If I were to guess....

Bargs (when he gets back) and JR will get longer looks.
Outlaw will be gone.
Gallaway and Wear to D league.
Cole / Early buried on the bench.
Amare will be a back-up with minute limitations.
Hardaway will get some burn at the 3
Acy and Iman will get burn due to defense
Pablo will start as the back-up and they will look to trade him if Larkin proves he can man the back-up point
Dalembert and Smith at Center


Jose Calderon, PG; Pablo Prigioni, PG


"Jose Calderon and Pablo Prigioni are heady and steady. Neither of them will have any trouble figuring out the triangle [offense]. Jose is a lights-out shooter and, like Pablo, rarely if ever takes a bad shot. Jose especially takes very good care of the ball. They're aggressive enough on offense to be a threat, but not nearly as aggressive on the other end of the court. The task for both of them is to be much better on-the-ball defenders."

Iman Shumpert, SG


"Even though Iman Shumpert was in [former Knicks coach] Mike Woodson's dog house for much of last season, he's one of my favorites because he's simply our best on-ball defender at the 2 position and also against the bigger 1s. Once he learns the intricacies of the offense, Iman will be able to create scoring opportunities for his teammates and, unlike last season, he'll know where his own shots will come from. Iman is an excellent driver but his shooting mechanics are very inconsistent. Sometimes he jumps too high to release his shot and sometimes he doesn't jump high enough. As a result, he never shoots the same shot twice."

Carmelo Anthony, F


"Carmelo Anthony is obviously the team's only certified All-Star. It's also no secret that Melo has to keep the ball moving, but he's committed to doing this. Passing has never been a great strength of his, but in the triangle he'll be able to have check-off reads like a quarterback looking for his first-option receiver, then his second and then his third. There'll be plenty of iso opportunities for Melo, and in the triangle it'll be very difficult for defenses to double-team him. It won't be like last season where he had to take clutch shots with a gang of defenders in his face. Also look for Melo to get a bunch of post-up looks."

Amar'e Stoudemire, PF/C


"One of the keys to the season will be the play of Amar'e Stoudemire. Although his tender knees will require his playing time and his practice time to be carefully monitored, we hope he'll be able to play four rotations of eight minutes per game. That's because Stoudemire can still be a potent scorer. He can get to the middle when he's in the low post, and in screen-rolls he's a threat to either screen-and-pop or drive to the hoop. Playing adequate defense is a real challenge for him and he's also got to improve his rebounding. The preseason will also discover whether Amar'e is more effective playing the 4 or the 5 positions."

Andrea Bargnani, PF/C


"If Andrea Bargnani's initial season in New York was a disappointment, I believe he'll thrive in the triangle. The 3-point shot is a bit out of his range, but from 20 feet and in, Andrea is a deadly shooter. And those are the kinds of shots that the offense will generate for him. Still, there are two aspects of his offense that he has to work on. Because he only approaches the rim in straight lines, he needs to develop some kind of change-of-direction move with the ball -- perhaps a crossover dribble. Also, he's a finger-roller, not a dunker. Could he have small hands? Or does he just need to be more aggressive?

"Bargnani's defense likewise needs improvement. With his long arms, he can be an effective shot-blocker, but he's usually too reactive on defense. In the past, Andrea has been slow getting back in transition defense, and once there he's been unsure of what his rotation responsibilities have been. And like Amar'e, Andrea has to see which of the frontcourt positions suits him best."

Samuel Dalembert, C


"The only natural center among the potential starters is Samuel Dalembert. He's a proven commodity who's going to challenge shooters at the rim. Sam doesn't have a real massive body so he has trouble getting around bigger men who post him up. He's a good offensive rebounder and always plays hard. He has an effective short-range jumper and, in the past he's complained about not getting enough touches. But so does almost everybody else. What Sam needs to learn is how to be a scoring threat in the pivot.

"I'm encouraged by how well Dalembert played against the Spurs in the playoffs. However, throughout his career he's been very susceptible to foul trouble, so his floor-time will most likely be limited to about 26 minutes. Even so, we'd like him to be a 10-and-10 player."

J.R. Smith, SG


"The 2 position is our deepest, and J.R. Smith is easily the best athlete on the team. But J.R. has to learn the difference between a good shot and a bad shot. He has to trust that the triangle will create good shots and to avoid searching for his own shot. His defense also needs work because he tends to be a ball-watcher, and he's late in chasing his man around screens when he should be tailgating him. Defense is the key to any winning team, so Smith has to really work hard on his deficiencies in training camp."

Shane Larkin, PG


"I really like Shane Larkin. He's an energy player with great speed and quickness. He plays the passing lanes well and has a nose for steals. Because he played in the summer league, Shane's got a pretty good handle on the offense, and that's where he had the chance to prove that he's also a clutch shooter. However, at only 5-11 and 175 [pounds], Shane has trouble defending screen-rolls. Our philosophy is for the smalls to get over the screens, which is difficult for even bigger, stronger players because the refs allow the screeners to drop their hands and push the defenders in their backs. So, Shane needs a lot of help from his bigs to solve this problem. The best thing about Shane is that he's a winner."

Tim Hardaway Jr., SG


"In most colleges, defense is not really emphasized and the idea is for your player to outscore his opponent. That's why playing defense in the NBA is such a challenge for a young player like Tim Hardaway Jr. He has the aptitude and the desire to be aggressive on defense, and during his rookie season he's gained a certain familiarity with the guys he has to guard, so we expect marked improvement from him in this area. Tim's shooting touch has never been questioned, but he has a tendency to stand around and wait for somebody to kick him the ball so he can launch 3-pointers. Tim also has trouble finishing with his left hand. Like Shane, Tim's summer-league experience gives him a head start on learning the offense, which is a significant advantage. Also, Tim is two inches taller than his listed 6-6, which also enables him to play some small forward. I expect that with his talents and his work ethic, sooner rather than later Tim will become an excellent all-around player in this league."

Jason Smith, PF/C


"Jason Smith has certain similarities to Bargnani. Jason is a catch-and-shoot guy with 18-foot range and, like Andrea, needs work on his handle. Rebounding and defense are two more areas that need improvement. Otherwise, Jason is a bit tougher and meaner than he's given credit for. He's another player who has to determine whether he's a better fit at the 4 or the 5."

Cleanthony Early, SF


"Cleanthony Early is a rookie who has a lot to learn, but he's very athletic and is physically mature. Still, because he doesn't have a really big body, he's sure to get posted. On the plus side, he's very aggressive on defense and knows how to play the passing lanes. At the other end, he's good in the open court and has legitimate 3-point range, but his shot is a little flat. Like most rookies, he'll be a work in progress for a while."

Quincy Acy, SF


"I'm really enthusiastic about what Quincy Acy brings to the team. Denver was overloaded at his spot, so he didn't get much playing time last season. If Quincy is not always a stopper, we can count on him to always be tough, quick-footed and energetic on defense at both the 3 and 4 positions. Quincy also has the kind of tensile strength that surprises opponents. He's worked hard to become a threat from beyond the 3-point line, but he has a slow release because he has to have all his body parts perfectly lined up to make his shots. An outstanding offensive rebounder, Quincy has to learn how to make plays."

Travis Outlaw, SF


"Travis Outlaw is strictly a shooter, and a very good one. He lacks the quickness to play great defense, but he knows the league's personnel. Hopefully, playing in the triangle will give him a chance to regain his scoring touch and be a productive force off the bench."

Cole Aldrich, C


"Cole Aldrich is a blue-collar guy. He goes hard after rebounds, hustles around the hoop, knows his role, and can score with a jump hook. Last season, Cole played better the more he played. Right now, he's our emergency center, who'll probably get significant time only if somebody gets hurt or our other bigs suffer a plague of foul trouble."

Langston Galloway, PG


"Langston Galloway is destined for the D-League, but I have my eye on the rookie." He's long-armed and 6-2, with impressive elevation, "scoring range, sneaky quickness and sound fundamentals. Langston can play both backcourt positions and will eventually be ready to play in the NBA."

Travis Wear, SF


"Travis Wear is another impressive rookie. He's 6-10 with a terrific handle, outstanding athleticism and a nice touch from beyond the arc. He was overshadowed at UCLA, but has the skill set to play every position from 1 to 4. We'll eventually place him in the D-League, where his possible NBA future solely depends on his ability to learn how to defend."

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10/22/2014  12:21 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/22/2014  12:21 PM
I don't know how this will all turn out, but its awesome having someone in charge who knows the game and shares his views on the roster with fans. Especially after years of mgmt being forced to remain tight lipped.

It was cool reading that Jackson was saying some of the same things we have about certain players, like Bargs not being able to change directions when he runs into a defender

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10/22/2014  12:37 PM
His Shumlert accessment is Music to my ears
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10/22/2014  12:39 PM
foosballnick wrote:Here's the rest.....

If I were to guess....

Bargs (when he gets back) and JR will get longer looks.
Outlaw will be gone.
Gallaway and Wear to D league.
Cole / Early buried on the bench.
Amare will be a back-up with minute limitations.
Hardaway will get some burn at the 3
Acy and Iman will get burn due to defense
Pablo will start as the back-up and they will look to trade him if Larkin proves he can man the back-up point
Dalembert and Smith at Center



Impressive...

I'd say that he's saying that Acy is not a starter and that Dalembert and Smith are 5's and the 4 is up for grabs between Jason Smith and Amare.

Also, i'd say that eventually THjr is our starting 2.

He love Iman and takes some good honest jabs at Woodson's coaching inability.

I'd say that JR is a lost cause, he's had the same thing said about him for years and believe it or not, he has a very friendly contract...so I suspect he is on his way out with Amare or Bargs for picks and a body.

Can anybody use a JR? maybe OKC or Indiana?

Let's go Knicks. That's amare
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10/22/2014  12:44 PM
Also his comments on JR who everyone wants to start at SG is on the money
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10/22/2014  12:46 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Also his comments on JR who everyone wants to start at SG is on the money

Spot on, it's like a sign from above that JR has back spasms...no controversy over him not starting. and even not playing much.

Let's go Knicks. That's amare
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10/22/2014  12:48 PM
i know we have like 6 threads on starters, but i'm gonna go again...

PG: Calderone
SG: Shump
SF: Melo
PF: Amare
C: Dalembert

First big off the bench: Jason Smith
First small off the bench: THJr

One key was the mention of THJr backing up the 3, so that gives room for JR Smith to join the party.
Also Acy is another 3/4 plug, so depends on the direction he takes.

So i have a 9 man playoff rotation with no back up PG, which makes me think that would be Shump or THjr.

Let's go Knicks. That's amare
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10/22/2014  12:59 PM
babyKnicks wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Also his comments on JR who everyone wants to start at SG is on the money

Spot on, it's like a sign from above that JR has back spasms...no controversy over him not starting. and even not playing much.

It's like Bargnani's "Hamstring" or Rasheed Wallace "Sore Foot"

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10/22/2014  1:01 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
babyKnicks wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Also his comments on JR who everyone wants to start at SG is on the money

Spot on, it's like a sign from above that JR has back spasms...no controversy over him not starting. and even not playing much.

It's like Bargnani's "Hamstring" or Rasheed Wallace "Sore Foot"

Jason Smith's injury is a bit of a bummer, but once again, another sign.

Let's go Knicks. That's amare
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10/22/2014  1:01 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Also his comments on JR who everyone wants to start at SG is on the money

Actually I thought his assessment on the entire roster was accurate.

This roster has the pieces to be a pretty good team this season, 2nd rnd at least, but if fish doesn't find the right rotation, we can easily be a lottery team (which i seriously doubt)

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10/22/2014  1:04 PM
i like the future of the team tbh...lots of kids 25 and under.
Let's go Knicks. That's amare
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10/22/2014  1:09 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/22/2014  1:10 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Also his comments on JR who everyone wants to start at SG is on the money

Actually I thought his assessment on the entire roster was accurate.

This roster has the pieces to be a pretty good team this season, 2nd rnd at least, but if fish doesn't find the right rotation, we can easily be a lottery team (which i seriously doubt)

It really is

It's nice to finally have a front office that is in lock step with my viewpoints. That is a good sign because it's n lever happened before. All they've done is lose by doing the exact opposite

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10/22/2014  1:37 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/22/2014  1:41 PM
Iman is an excellent driver


Also, Tim is two inches taller than his listed 6-6,

I just don't believe that.

Travis Outlaw is strictly a shooter, and a very good one.

Okay, Phil now you're officially lying.

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10/22/2014  1:41 PM
Maybe he's a late bloomer. Have to see him next to MELO and Shumpert
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10/22/2014  1:54 PM
The most interesting reports were for the last four - Outlaw, Aldrich, Galloway, and Wear
DLeethal wrote: Lol Rick needs a safe space
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10/22/2014  1:55 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:
Iman is an excellent driver

you don't buy that?

DLeethal wrote: Lol Rick needs a safe space
Very interesting article: Phil Jackson Scouts Knicks roster

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