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10/21/2014  12:39 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/21/2014  12:40 PM
overall I've been vary happy with the hire of John Idzik. I like his philosophy of building lasting success through the draft rather then overspending in free agency. I liked him taking geno in the second round as well as all of his other draft picks with Sheldon and Amaro really looking good so far. Most recently I'm happy with the trade for Harvin. but is it too little too late? is he more of an upgrade over Kerley as a slot receiver rather then the true blue redzone threat the offense actually needed? I'm a big believer in the benefits of patience in every part of life but it seems when it comes to this season Idzik has been two things; too patient and too cheap. this offseason after we passed on revis and cut santonio and cromartie we had two major holes, CB and WR. possibly two of the most important positions in this pass first league now. It appears Idzik's strategy was to address the WR need via the draft and to address the CB position with conservative signings and in house potential. thats not a bad strategy. the only problem is the lack of insurance with that plan. the older corner we saved on because he was past his prime decided football wasn't his top priority anymore. in the draft, Idzik appears to have taken the quantity over quality approach passing on the top receiver prospects to bring a bus full of late rounders and undrafted wideouts to training camp. I know there's like a 50% chance that a first round talent doesn't pan out in the NFL but that percentage has to sky rocket up the further you go down the draft board. What Idzik has to learn is its great to save where ever we can in free agency and by drafting well but thats easier said then done. Thats why you take Luck number 1 overall or why you go ahead and pay Talib whatever he wants because although you may have paid a lot at least you get what you paid for. Thoughts?
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10/21/2014  1:40 PM
Idzik has a lot of work to do going forward. I think his plan of trying to build thru the draft is sound. Some of his picks haven't worked out but that's the case for every GM. I think there are some young guys we'll be developing who will step into some of the holes and next year is the big year IMO. Idzik won't likely be holding out next year. I can see him being much more aggressive in Free Agency and the draft.

I actually liked the deal for Harvin. Sure it could've come sooner but it did happen and he's young and talented. We need a player like him for now and the future if he works out. I think Idzik tries to get players on the cheap if he can and that came back to bite him this time. He's a smart guy and won't let that happen again. I think the future is bright for this team. Let's put things in perspective. The Jets had the 9th toughest schedule this year. They clearly are not the 9th best team so that really made this a tough year. Losing McDougle, Patterson and Milliner hurt. It's hard to account for injury or craziness like Patterson.

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10/21/2014  1:46 PM
Im all for building through the draft BUT to be honest Idzik hasn't been too good drafting. Sheldon Richardson was a home run but Dee Milliner is always hurt. This year we had 12 draft picks the most in the nfl and nobody has stepped up. I mean I like amaro and pryor but neither has been consistent
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10/21/2014  2:26 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:Im all for building through the draft BUT to be honest Idzik hasn't been too good drafting. Sheldon Richardson was a home run but Dee Milliner is always hurt. This year we had 12 draft picks the most in the nfl and nobody has stepped up. I mean I like amaro and pryor but neither has been consistent

To be fair, judging a draft within 7 games of the very 1st season can be premature. Not everyone can be a rookie of the year like Sheldon. Some players will take time to develop. I think time will tell the real deal about Idzik's drafting. Still early in that process. I wish we did have a couple more guys showing early from this draft but that's not the final verdict. We have to see over time how they pan out.

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10/21/2014  6:53 PM
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:Im all for building through the draft BUT to be honest Idzik hasn't been too good drafting. Sheldon Richardson was a home run but Dee Milliner is always hurt. This year we had 12 draft picks the most in the nfl and nobody has stepped up. I mean I like amaro and pryor but neither has been consistent

To be fair, judging a draft within 7 games of the very 1st season can be premature. Not everyone can be a rookie of the year like Sheldon. Some players will take time to develop. I think time will tell the real deal about Idzik's drafting. Still early in that process. I wish we did have a couple more guys showing early from this draft but that's not the final verdict. We have to see over time how they pan out.

i never said they were busts i simply said they havent jumped out yet. Amaro has started to a little
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10/21/2014  7:16 PM
The Jets had a lot of picks and should have packaged a couple to move up and get better players. it reminds me of a neighbor I have down the street from me. He talks alot about how many cars he has. What he doesnt say is that the majority are either old or broken down/unreliable.

Thats what i see with the Jets picks so far.

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10/22/2014  12:28 AM
Needed an experienced corner, and he pulled Patterson out of his hat. Did draft the kid from Maryland who was hurt in college and got hurt in pre-season, but even though he showed promise, he was not going to be a starter on a contending team this year.

Needed some receivers- picked up Decker, who is very good, but not a guy the opposing team plans a defense to stop. Amaro will be good, but is still a rookie. The fact that Idzik picked up Harvin tells you everything you need to know.

Chris Johnson didn't cost that much, but he isn't playing like he is worth that much. Rather have Powell playing- can't understand why he was marginalized this year.

Offensive line needs retooling. Mangold has not been the same since his injury a few years ago, and Ferguson is one of the most overrated players in the league. Colon in decline, the others too young at this point.

Geno needs everything perfect to succeed- have strong doubts about his ability to evolve to the next level of competency.

D Line has not lived up to its reputation, IMO, despite doing some good things. Of course they have to be demoralized with how their offense has played.

Hard to understand how Idzik, who is supposed to be managing the Jets to the playoffs, left so much money on the table in the offseason. Add this to a weak draft class, and you have a poor job that will probably cost Ryan his job.

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10/22/2014  12:55 AM
WaltLongmire wrote:Needed an experienced corner, and he pulled Patterson out of his hat. Did draft the kid from Maryland who was hurt in college and got hurt in pre-season, but even though he showed promise, he was not going to be a starter on a contending team this year.

Needed some receivers- picked up Decker, who is very good, but not a guy the opposing team plans a defense to stop. Amaro will be good, but is still a rookie. The fact that Idzik picked up Harvin tells you everything you need to know.

Chris Johnson didn't cost that much, but he isn't playing like he is worth that much. Rather have Powell playing- can't understand why he was marginalized this year.

Offensive line needs retooling. Mangold has not been the same since his injury a few years ago, and Ferguson is one of the most overrated players in the league. Colon in decline, the others too young at this point.

Geno needs everything perfect to succeed- have strong doubts about his ability to evolve to the next level of competency.

D Line has not lived up to its reputation, IMO, despite doing some good things. Of course they have to be demoralized with how their offense has played.

Hard to understand how Idzik, who is supposed to be managing the Jets to the playoffs, left so much money on the table in the offseason. Add this to a weak draft class, and you have a poor job that will probably cost Ryan his job.

The Jets D is one of the most predictable defenses in the NFL. 5 years of tape with the same schemes, same jail-break blitz on third down that they've been burned on numerous times. Safeties are out of position many times on big plays that kill them. The team D hasn't been the same after they lost Revis to injury.

We should've moved to a conventional 4-3 last year after drafting Richardson and moved Pace up to DE. While we have a good number of sacks, we don't get constant pressure with our front 3 and in big moments--the opposing QB always seems to have enough time to make a play.

When is the last time you have seen a Jet QB throw the ball 50 yards down the field? They don't have big play capabilities and worse they are horrible in the red zone. They've been able to move the ball with the exception of one game from the 20 to the 20 and then forced to settle for 3 points. This season would not be over IF they were able to pound it in.

I think Geno can be ok. IF they can upgrade the offensive line and give him more time, he's more than capable of playing a good game. He's not a tier 1 like an Elway Manning etc.. but you can win a Super Bowl with a good D and a QB that plays without making many mistakes(unfortunately his biggest problem)

So moving on from Rex is ok-it's run it's course. We need to open up the offense more--we need a legit 2nd string QB with a couple of WR who can get down-field and a couple of new OL's who can give Smith the time to do some things. We have one of the best RB's in the game and Powell is a good 2. our D needs some CB's some new schemes but overall the personnel is good.

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10/22/2014  1:01 AM
If Rex had any decent CB's he'd have won some of these games even with Geno and the offense. This D had held Manning and Brady down for a good while and the Secondary let them down. That's what i've seen repeatedly this year. It's a tough situation but thank goodness they've been able to start building for the future at some spots and if they have a good FA market and draft next year they should be able to fill the holes next year.
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10/22/2014  8:26 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/22/2014  8:26 AM
nixluva wrote:If Rex had any decent CB's he'd have won some of these games even with Geno and the offense. This D had held Manning and Brady down for a good while and the Secondary let them down. That's what i've seen repeatedly this year. It's a tough situation but thank goodness they've been able to start building for the future at some spots and if they have a good FA market and draft next year they should be able to fill the holes next year.
That i agree with. If we had at least some better CB's we would have been at least 3-4 or 4-3 which would have at least kept us afloat during the tough schedule. Idzik deserves a lot of blame because he put all of his faith in Milliner( injury prone, not proven) and Dexter Mcdougle(rookie and injury prone) and it cost the Jets bigtime
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10/22/2014  4:18 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:If Rex had any decent CB's he'd have won some of these games even with Geno and the offense. This D had held Manning and Brady down for a good while and the Secondary let them down. That's what i've seen repeatedly this year. It's a tough situation but thank goodness they've been able to start building for the future at some spots and if they have a good FA market and draft next year they should be able to fill the holes next year.
That i agree with. If we had at least some better CB's we would have been at least 3-4 or 4-3 which would have at least kept us afloat during the tough schedule. Idzik deserves a lot of blame because he put all of his faith in Milliner( injury prone, not proven) and Dexter Mcdougle(rookie and injury prone) and it cost the Jets bigtime

Idzik can fix this issue next year. I still think he should look to draft a WR and another QB just to provide some more cheap strength at those positions and insurance against failure or injury. I still think we could see some good things from WR Shaq Evans and Enunwa next year. They just need more time to develop. They have good size and speed.

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