gunsnewing wrote:

Splat wrote:Because Zeke advised Phil it was a good move

lol

I'm with Yellow. Peanuts and he can be a valuable trade piece if he doesn't pan out

So Melo's $1.4mil give back was huge

but

Larkin's $1.6mil was a push chips raise on Melo's $1.4mil

There was absolutely no need right now

To pick his option up whatsoever

F500ONE wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Splat wrote:Because Zeke advised Phil it was a good move

lol

I'm with Yellow. Peanuts and he can be a valuable trade piece if he doesn't pan out

So Melo's $1.4mil give back was huge but Larkin's $1.6mil was a push chips raise on Melo's $1.4mil
There was absolutely no need right now to pick his option up whatsoever

WOW!!! LOL.

gunsnewing wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Splat wrote:Because Zeke advised Phil it was a good move

lol

I'm with Yellow. Peanuts and he can be a valuable trade piece if he doesn't pan out

So Melo's $1.4mil give back was huge

but

Larkin's $1.6mil was a push chips raise on Melo's $1.4mil

There was absolutely no need right now

To pick his option up whatsoever

I don't get your point. I think its ridiculous that Melo was praised for taking only $1mil less

Okay maybe you were 10 out of 7mil+ who

Thought otherwise, the point why exercise it now

Why add salary to 2015 if you don't

Have to until you absolutely have to

I mean is Larkin going to get

Paid more than $2mil on the open market

I doubt it

Yes, development, learn the word.

It is part of this strange new world called long-term vision where management grooms and educates their personnel so they can either become integral parts of their system or grow in value as an asset.

I know kids, its a strange new feeling, sort of like sex was for you that first time, but get used to it.

nixluva wrote:

Splat wrote:I know it is a strange new feeling for many Knicks fans, sort of like that first touch on your quivering man flesh by the girl you had a crush on who agreed to deflower you, but this is called DEVELOPMENT.

Yes, development, learn the word.

It is part of this strange new world called long-term vision where management grooms and educates their personnel so they can either become integral parts of their system or grow in value as an asset.

I know kids, its a strange new feeling, sort of like sex was for you that first time, but get used to it.

The Reason some are having a problem with the idea of development is cuz they don't value any of the young people we have. WHY? Cuz they're on the Knicks and they weren't high draft picks, so how could they ever be worth anything? See to some they won't be happy with anything unless we get the absolute top prospect or sign one of the top 5 players in the league. The truth is we have a good group of young players that need to be developed and they have talent.

Then you have the fact that we have a better leadership team here now. These men have seen it all and know how to teach and how to work with each other. They've been to the mountain top together many times but some fans don't value that at all. WHY? Cuz they're here in NY. If we suddenly brought in the Spurs coaching staff some would be ecstatic but there would be those who still were griping about it. The thing is we are a team with a coaching staff full of men with multiple rings as a group.

There have been so many Knicks who thrived after leaving the team. It has gone on for a long time. Before last year, before Zeke. Larry Brown called Ariza delusional, but Brown was suffering from acid reflux and another Knicks roster without a PG so I forgave him.

The key thing for me though is not whether we keep players, but whether we make them better. If we do that, they either help us or they build our trading power. Good management can build their trading assets in as little as a single season this way and pull off bigger trades.

Asides from that, many fans are attention deficit disordered immediate gratification junkies hopped up on slurpees and cheesy bread. Those types judge everything immediately and label players before they know what they really are and how they fit. I could forgive that before because fans were cursed by bad management, but now I hope people develop more patience in assessing players knowing they've been recruited by Phil and Co. for a reason.

It is worth noting the Knicks have gone forever without NBA starting quality PG talent aside from the brief Lin thingy. And the first thing Phil did was get our first decent PG in a while. Its a start. We will upgrade Jose later.

This franchise made me want to commit hara kiri after they gave up half the team to get Melo and then what did they do? They brought back Raymond frigging Felton. Jesus H. Christ. If you're going to spend the GDP of Rwanda on one player, then at least make an effort to pair them with a competent PG. So Phil did the first good move with the Dallas trade.

The Knicks have had some good scouting during these many bad years. I'd like to see that maximized finally.

TripleThreat wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Its possible Phil isn't focused on using the 2015 cap space on signing max players, but plans to keep cap flexibility for trades for assets and smaller signings.

Shane Larkin's agent is Happy Walters of Rogue Sports. He also represents, IIRC, Stoudamire and Shumpert.

I read a pretty interesting article in The Sporting News, years and years ago ( sorry to see TSN fold) about Michael Jordan and his agent, IIRC, David Falk. And how the Bulls would draft consistently at the end of the first round because they were perennial contenders, the front office knew that a pick in the 30s would not likely crack an established and veteran rotation, so they drafted Falk clients that he wanted drafted, and ( at that time during that CBA), those players got that guaranteed three year deal at minimum for that rookie slotting for salary.

It was generally treated as a goodwill gesture from the franchise to the agent to keep things smooth with Jordan ( who at the end was basically working on year to year deals)

This might be an indicator of players that the Knicks are preemptively looking at and interested in. ( i.e. part of Chandler Parsons not getting a QO was based on an agreement made during the Dwight Howard signing, who was a free agent, it's all of course "illegal" but we all know the rules are broken in private over stuff like this)

Walters also represents

Rubio, who might be a free agent after this season if Minny doesn't extend him a QO

Dwight Howard, who has a player option in 2016, so next season he's essentially an expiring deal and Morey might end up feeling that trading him is the better move than risking him walking like Parsons.

Monta Ellis has a player option for next year, so technically ,he could be considered an expiring this year.

Jimmy Butler will be a restricted next year, and it's likely the Bulls will extend him a QO, but maybe Zen Master wants to ink him to a big offer sheet.

I'm not saying any or all of these guys are a great fit for the Knicks, but Larkin might be a cheap cost controlled sweetener to extend goodwill to an agent for a bigger fish the Knicks want to land.

Out of that list, Jimmy Butler is a legit two way wing, who is young and been playing in a positive controlled team environment, also he has playoff experience and is a plus defender ( maybe one of the best defensive young wings right now in the game) Butler is exactly, IMHO, the kind of tough saavy competitor type that I hope the Knicks consistently try to draft and acquire for the future.

As a fan, I enjoy Larkin. He might not end up fulfilling all the hopes and needs that Knick fans want from him, but he's a grinder and he plays the game the right way. One Knick I don't see get much mention is Hubert Davis, who was a steady solid professional. I think all teams need Hubert Davis types, solid hardworking steady guys who are willing to grind and play the right way ( as much as their talent, experience and IQ allow)

Interesting, thanks for the info.