Splat wrote:Triangle, Triangle, Triangle

Fairly easy to trade contract if better option arises

7.5mm per?

BRIGGS wrote:

Splat wrote:Triangle, Triangle, Triangle

Fairly easy to trade contract if better option arises

7.5mm per?

You're getting lost in minutiae

Phil is building a culture and wants the Triangle

Jose is here because he was the best available choice implement the system.

The next year or two requires someone to continually tell people where to be on the floor until we have solidified a core of players who know the Triangle cold and any new players will absorbed into the borg collective at that point.

Jose is a transitional player. He's here for 2-3 seasons specifically for this reason alone, because you cannot educate a whole team on the nuances of the triangle without a PG who understands it implicitly. And it doesn't require balls out speed to do it, but a steady, intelligent hand, a leader and an outside shooter, all of which Jose is.

If there were a Magic Johnson available at $7M would have grabbed himself one, but this is what you get if you want what Phil wants now.

If in the third year a better option than Jose is available, yes, Jose is tradeable in his final year because any contender who needs a veteran PG or has an injury at PG will pay up for a proven expiring PG like Calderon.

Then you also have to evaluate team defense in this Fisher system and can he do enough offensively and as a team defender to be a positive player.

EnySpree wrote:He's up in age so he's a good transition guy. He's gonna run the team and hit shots. His defense isn't completely horrible. This year we have better coaching and philosophy on defense.

Phil knows who he has at point. He was the first to say he sucks on defense and he's old. So I believe the Knicks have a plan for that.

Jose is going to be a test-case for the first usage of drones in the NBA. After plays are completed on offense, Jose will be airlifted to the defensive end of the court to minimize his energy expenditure. Phil knows how to maximize his talent.

able to control tempo
Play on and off the ball
Is a leader
Pass first point guard
capable of shooting at a high % all over the court while low TO/HIGH ASSIST

Really could argue both ways for Calderon and I get the point
If you think 7.5m is a lot, what do you think about 3-4x that?

Since we have our own pick this summer, CA and his salary puts us right in the middle (the worst possible spot to be in building a team)
I know, it takes all star's to attract other all star's

If CA is unable to do well in triangle, wonder if we can facilitate a trade with Sun's, with CA agreeing to a deal with a no trade clause
In the summer,

a sign and trade with Dragic, fill ins, maybe trade exemption, and 2 1st round picks, 1 2nd round pick (I like this coming draft as well, with many talented BIGS and some PG's)
A salary of 12m or so, maybe Gereld Green at 3.5m-4m, a Morris brother

Giving Sun's Bledsoe and CA, with some nice young talents around them

Would only send him out West though, give us a list

Portland

Battum
Mathewws if no Mathews, 2 1st round draft picks
Small Trade Exemption
1st round pick

Golden State

Lee
Iggy
2015 1st round pick

I just don't see how we can build a contender with the way Bulls and Cleveland are built, with their ability to continue to improve in the summer
Cleveland has the ability to still trade for another HIGH salary player in the summer and players will flock to Cleveland before going to NYK's, both Lebron and Love will OPT OUT, and they have Tristan Thompson/Waiters/ multiple picks, and trade exemptions to offer to starphuq like how The Net's did the past 2 years

Would Marc Gasol go to Cleveland or NYK? Cleveland has the ability to overpay for talent with the talent they already have and solid role players/ALL STAR's
While we cannot afford to overpay for him and we have HIGH TAX

B+ players like Millsap/Al Jefferson etc, or a risk in Horford if he recovers this year

Chicago
2 2015 1st round picks
2016 2nd round draft pick

Noah
Snell
Dunleavy as a fill in

Gasol
Gibson
Snell
McBuckets

for

CA
Pablo

Cleveland

Tristan Thompson
Waiters
fill ins/trade exemption

picks that Cleveland owns include

2015 first round draft pick from Memphis
Memphis' 1st round pick to Cleveland protected for selections 1-5 and 15-30 in 2015, 1-5 and 15-30 in 2016, 1-5 in 2017 and 1-5 in 2018 and unprotected in 2019 [Cleveland-Memphis, 1/22/2013]

2015 second round draft pick from Sacramento
Sacramento's 2015 2nd round pick to Cleveland (via Boston) protected for selections 31-55 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Sacramento's obligation to Cleveland will be extinguished) [Boston-Sacramento, 2/17/2009 then Boston-Cleveland, 9/25/2014]

2015 second round draft pick from Philadelphia
Philadelphia's 2015 2nd round pick to Cleveland provided it has not been conveyed to Boston (see Philadelphia Debits) and protected for selections 31-50 and 56-60 (if Philadelphia conveys this pick to Boston or it falls within either of its protected ranges and is therefore not conveyed to Cleveland, then Philadelphia's obligation to Cleveland will be extinguished) [Cleveland-Philadelphia, 9/27/2014]

2015 second round draft pick from Boston
Boston's 2015 2nd round pick to Cleveland protected for selections 31-55 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Boston's obligation to Cleveland will be extinguished) [Boston-Brooklyn-Cleveland, 7/10/2014]

2016 second round draft pick from L.A. Clippers
L.A. Clippers' 2016 2nd round pick to Cleveland (via New Orleans) protected for selections 31-55 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then the L.A. Clippers' obligation to Cleveland will be extinguished) [L.A. Clippers-New Orleans, 8/12/2009 then Cleveland-New Orleans, 7/11/2014]

2017 second round draft pick from Sacramento
Sacramento's 2017 2nd round pick to Cleveland (via Boston) protected for selections 31-55 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Sacramento's obligation to Cleveland will be extinguished) [Boston-Sacramento, 2/24/2011 then Boston-Cleveland, 9/25/2014]

Cleveland traded their 2016 draft pick, so we could only trade with them in the summer to attain their 1st round pick if we wanted 2 1st round picks,
Memphis's and Clevelands own pick (the draft rights) on draft night

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

Bulls picks owns include

2015 first round draft pick from Sacramento
Sacramento's 1st round pick to Chicago (via Cleveland) protected for selections 1-10 in 2015, 1-10 in 2016 and 1-10 in 2017; if Sacramento has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Chicago by 2017, then Sacramento will instead convey its 2017 2nd round pick to Chicago protected for selections 56-60 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Sacramento's obligation to Chicago will be extinguished) [Cleveland-Sacramento, 6/30/2011 then Chicago-Cleveland, 1/7/2014]

2015 first round draft pick from Cleveland
Chicago has the right to swap its 2015 1st round pick for Cleveland's 2015 1st round pick protected for selections 1-14 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Cleveland's obligation to Chicago will be extinguished) [Chicago-Cleveland, 1/7/2014]

2016 second round draft pick from Portland
Portland's 2016 2nd round pick to Chicago (via Cleveland) [Cleveland-Portland, 6/27/2013 then Chicago-Cleveland, 1/7/2014]; Chicago may convey this pick to Orlando (see Chicago Debits)

Houston picks owned
Get back all of our picks and more, with some fill ins

2015 first round draft pick from New Orleans
New Orleans' 1st round pick to Houston protected for selections 1-3 and 20-30 in 2015, 1-3 and 20-30 in 2016, 1-3 and 20-30 in 2017, 1-3 and 20-30 in 2018, 1-3 and 25-30 in 2019 and 1-3 and 25-30 in 2020; if New Orleans has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Houston by 2020, then New Orleans will instead convey its 2020 2nd round pick and 2021 2nd round pick to Houston [Houston-New Orleans-Washington, 7/15/2014]

2015 second round draft pick from New York
New York's 2015 2nd round pick to Houston [Houston-New York, 7/11/2012]

2015 second round draft pick from Minnesota
Minnesota will convey the less favorable of its 2015 2nd round pick and Denver's 2015 2nd round pick to Houston (via Portland) [Denver-Minnesota-New York, 2/22/2011 then Minnesota-Portland, 6/27/2011 then Houston-Portland, 7/10/2013]

2015 second round draft pick from Sacramento
Sacramento's 2015 2nd round pick to Houston protected for selections 50-60 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Sacramento's obligation to Houston will be extinguished) [Houston-Sacramento, 9/17/2014]

2016 second round draft pick from New York
New York's 2016 2nd round pick to Houston (via Portland to Sacramento then removal of protection from New York) [New York-Portland, 7/15/2012 then New Orleans-Portland-Sacramento, 7/10/2013 then New York-Sacramento, 8/6/2014 then Houston-Sacramento, 9/17/2014]

2017 second round draft pick from Portland
Portland's 2017 2nd round pick to Houston [Houston-Portland, 7/10/2013]