The issues the players have are spacing. Guys aren't standing or getting to the spots they are supposed to be. Screens and cuts aren't sharp yet.

Outside of that I had a walking hard on all day just watching the potential of this team.

Bargnani looked fantastic to me. He looked sharp and he improved his defense and positioning. That's coaching and shows that he is coachable. His body language and facial expression looked more engaged. I think he might be our starting 4. I was highly impressed with his effort.

Dalembert was fantastic too. He defended the paint well from the team concept and he secured the rebounds in his area. He did get abused by that big fella in the post, but I think that is not a fluke. He's going to do that to everyone this year.

Calderon looked in control. His defense was great from the team stand point. He's a good point guard.

Thjr is a scorer. His defense had improved in the team concept. I think he should be our starter. We need his heart and energy from the start. Jr Smith showed his frustration and it trickled on to his teammates. He was confused. Thjr had his frustrations but he never takes himself mentally it off the game. That is a starters mentality. He's a winner.

I thought Travis outlaw was trash. He was horrible all around. He needs to be cut/bought out.

Travis Wear on the other hand needs to make the roster. He looks like he could be a godsend. Very skilled and he has swagger.

Early is the real deal as well. His boy Larkin also deserves his shot and should beat Priggy Eventually at the back up pg.

Quincy Acy is who he is. Undersized and energetic. Not a rotation guy, but we need him as a glue guy in practice and just in case of injuries.

I did not like Amare. When he makes his moves to score he looks majestic. But the man doesn't know how to play. He's trying to lead too and he himself is doing the wrong thing just about every play. Then he likes to let other guys know about it but doesn't take criticism well. I do not like him on this team.

Melo.... well when this thing gets cleaned up.... this mofo is going to have the best season of his career. Scary how open he was all game. You can't guard him one on one. This offense gets him open. Once he understands when he can shoot man oh man..... he was very engaged yesterday. I'm impressed with him

EnySpree wrote:I literally watched the game all day yesterday since I was off from work.

The issues the players have are spacing. Guys aren't standing or getting to the spots they are supposed to be. Screens and cuts aren't sharp yet.

Outside of that I had a walking hard on all day just watching the potential of this team.

Bargnani looked fantastic to me. He looked sharp and he improved his defense and positioning. That's coaching and shows that he is coachable. His body language and facial expression looked more engaged. I think he might be our starting 4. I was highly impressed with his effort.

Dalembert was fantastic too. He defended the paint well from the team concept and he secured the rebounds in his area. He did get abused by that big fella in the post, but I think that is not a fluke. He's going to do that to everyone this year.

Calderon looked in control. His defense was great from the team stand point. He's a good point guard.

Thjr is a scorer. His defense had improved in the team concept. I think he should be our starter. We need his heart and energy from the start. Jr Smith showed his frustration and it trickled on to his teammates. He was confused. Thjr had his frustrations but he never takes himself mentally it off the game. That is a starters mentality. He's a winner.

I thought Travis outlaw was trash. He was horrible all around. He needs to be cut/bought out.

Travis Wear on the other hand needs to make the roster. He looks like he could be a godsend. Very skilled and he has swagger.

Early is the real deal as well. His boy Larkin also deserves his shot and should beat Priggy Eventually at the back up pg.

Quincy Acy is who he is. Undersized and energetic. Not a rotation guy, but we need him as a glue guy in practice and just in case of injuries.

I did not like Amare. When he makes his moves to score he looks majestic. But the man doesn't know how to play. He's trying to lead too and he himself is doing the wrong thing just about every play. Then he likes to let other guys know about it but doesn't take criticism well. I do not like him on this team.

Melo.... well when this thing gets cleaned up.... this mofo is going to have the best season of his career. Scary how open he was all game. You can't guard him one on one. This offense gets him open. Once he understands when he can shoot man oh man..... he was very engaged yesterday. I'm impressed with him

I wasn't able to watch the game at all so big thanks for the detailed break down of each player. And I like these so hopefully you continue to do so.

Bargs and Amare have to work more on creating for others. They had I think 1 ast between them. Melo had 4 in 20mins which was very good.

I did say he looked majestic when he made some individual moves. He just doesn't know how to pay basketball. He needs the ball and we're not playing that way. The amazement of seeing Amare scoring the ball clouds everyone's minds. I wish could get rid of him as soon as possible.

I do hate Amare but I'm consistent with it. Plus or minus doesn't explain what he's doing in the court. It doesn't explain his poor leadership. It doesn't show him missing assignments and ridiculing his teammates for doing the same thing he's doing. It didn't show him taking himself out of the game by getting into a shoving match running up the court with a Celtics big man and complaining to the refs. It didn't show him disregarding Larkin trying to explain the play to him that he screwed up.

EnySpree wrote:Knicks1248

I did say he looked majestic when he made some individual moves. He just doesn't know how to pay basketball. He needs the ball and we're not playing that way. The amazement of seeing Amare scoring the ball clouds everyone's minds. I wish could get rid of him as soon as possible.

I do hate Amare but I'm consistent with it. Plus or minus doesn't explain what he's doing in the court. It doesn't explain his poor leadership. It doesn't show him missing assignments and ridiculing his teammates for doing the same thing he's doing. It didn't show him taking himself out of the game by getting into a shoving match running up the court with a Celtics big man and complaining to the refs. It didn't show him disregarding Larkin trying to explain the play to him that he screwed up.

Ever player on this roster has their flaws,and are guilty of making lame plays. But if your going to keep singling out one player so much, your credibility is shot. If your going to say things like "Amare mans scored on him, he's the worst defender in the league" and then say "Dalembert mans scored on him, where was the help defense" (and i'm speaking hypothetically)how are people going to respect your opinion.

Fair is fair dude, everyone on the roster has talent, can score and have the ability to defend. It's up to Fisher and his staff to combine each players strength, amare is a solid weak side defender, he has the ability to come from behind and block shots, bargiani is a solid one on one defender, Samual is a good paint protector and so forth. Put the players in a position to have an impact.

The fact that Fisher said he has no interest in running PnR in a PnR league has me concern. You have larkin and calderon, Barginai and Amare, and you have no interest in running the PnR..Somebody help me try to understand this philosophy. Thats bread and Butter all day for those 4 players, I would think thats something that should be used frequently until we can master the triangle.

I mostly agree with Enyspree about the signs you could see of good things developing. I too noted that Bargs energy and awareness on D was improved. We have to allow time for repetition to take hold. The hours of work and detailed instruction will eventually take hold and some players will excel faster than others. This doesn't mean it will take forever either. You can't know when it finally clicks with a player and they get it. The trick is not to get frustrated and stick with it.

I loved the speed of the young guys. It's clear Fish likes the change of pace they bring. Contrary to some opinion I like the young talent we have. I think we have a good quality level of young talent. They don't have to be individual superstars to succeed in a team concept.

EnySpree wrote:you cant watch the game expecting something that happened in the past....you have to watch what actually is happening and make an assessment rather than an assumption....

you guys don't understand what you are looking at. Amare himself scored twice on a pick and roll. the triangle always has a pick and roll option. when the ball is swung to the opposite side of the triangle, or when the corner guy goes through...you run the two man game. that's what was happening throughout the game.

I thought the defense was improved drastically as a team...that's from everyone. saying that amare is a good weakside defender or bargs is a good one on one defender doesn't describe anything that happed yesterday.

credibility is only valid if people are watching the game for what it is and what they are trying to do...credibility is lost when guys start talking about the past. what does that have to do with what the knicks are doing today? we are running the triangle and we are also running a light zone defense pushing guys away from the paint. the knicks haven't played this way since red holtzman was coach.

The recent past is relevant, as the main core of the team is the same as last years- the key question is can they change their ways. Hopefully they can, but they showed plenty of the same habits. Still, nearly everyone looked pretty sharp on offence, from an individual point of view, which is a good sign.

smackeddog wrote:

EnySpree wrote:you cant watch the game expecting something that happened in the past....you have to watch what actually is happening and make an assessment rather than an assumption....

you guys don't understand what you are looking at. Amare himself scored twice on a pick and roll. the triangle always has a pick and roll option. when the ball is swung to the opposite side of the triangle, or when the corner guy goes through...you run the two man game. that's what was happening throughout the game.

I thought the defense was improved drastically as a team...that's from everyone. saying that amare is a good weakside defender or bargs is a good one on one defender doesn't describe anything that happed yesterday.

credibility is only valid if people are watching the game for what it is and what they are trying to do...credibility is lost when guys start talking about the past. what does that have to do with what the knicks are doing today? we are running the triangle and we are also running a light zone defense pushing guys away from the paint. the knicks haven't played this way since red holtzman was coach.

The recent past is relevant, as the main core of the team is the same as last years- the key question is can they change their ways. Hopefully they can, but they showed plenty of the same habits. Still, nearly everyone looked pretty sharp on offence, from an individual point of view, which is a good sign.

100% agree, you definitely seen some players giving up on the play and resorting back to their old ways.

I didn't see much pick and roll, what i saw was botched high post pinch play at the top of the key (which is a staple in the triangle) that turned into pick and roll, by habit. Thats what i saw for most of the game. We were setting up as a triangle, and players were kind of lost after the first pass.

To me the game look like one long practice, only you couldn't blow the whistle and start the play all over.

This group fits well to start a game
jason smith
Amare
Melo
Jr
calderone

This unit off the bench is deep and versatile for the triangle
Samual
Bargi
early
THJ
Shump

In case of emergency crack rotation
larkin
priggs
acy
Wear/outlaw

But either way, it's one preseason game, the only thing learned is what the players and coaches said.....it's gonna take time.

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

EnySpree wrote:you cant watch the game expecting something that happened in the past....you have to watch what actually is happening and make an assessment rather than an assumption....

you guys don't understand what you are looking at. Amare himself scored twice on a pick and roll. the triangle always has a pick and roll option. when the ball is swung to the opposite side of the triangle, or when the corner guy goes through...you run the two man game. that's what was happening throughout the game.

I thought the defense was improved drastically as a team...that's from everyone. saying that amare is a good weakside defender or bargs is a good one on one defender doesn't describe anything that happed yesterday.

credibility is only valid if people are watching the game for what it is and what they are trying to do...credibility is lost when guys start talking about the past. what does that have to do with what the knicks are doing today? we are running the triangle and we are also running a light zone defense pushing guys away from the paint. the knicks haven't played this way since red holtzman was coach.

The recent past is relevant, as the main core of the team is the same as last years- the key question is can they change their ways. Hopefully they can, but they showed plenty of the same habits. Still, nearly everyone looked pretty sharp on offence, from an individual point of view, which is a good sign.

100% agree, you definitely seen some players giving up on the play and resorting back to their old ways.

I didn't see much pick and roll, what i saw was botched high post pinch play at the top of the key (which is a staple in the triangle) that turned into pick and roll, by habit. Thats what i saw for most of the game. We were setting up as a triangle, and players were kind of lost after the first pass.

To me the game look like one long practice, only you couldn't blow the whistle and start the play all over.

This group fits well to start a game
jason smith
Amare
Melo
Jr
calderone

This unit off the bench is deep and versatile for the triangle
Samual
Bargi
early
THJ
Shump

In case of emergency crack rotation
larkin
priggs
acy
Wear/outlaw

Jason Smith has yet to play a game as a Knick....you can only comment on stuff you see. How can you say Jason Smith fits well if you never seen him play a real game with the Knicks or in the triangle? you talk about credibility? what is that?

EnySpree wrote:Knicks1248

I did say he looked majestic when he made some individual moves. He just doesn't know how to pay basketball. He needs the ball and we're not playing that way. The amazement of seeing Amare scoring the ball clouds everyone's minds. I wish could get rid of him as soon as possible.

I do hate Amare but I'm consistent with it. Plus or minus doesn't explain what he's doing in the court. It doesn't explain his poor leadership. It doesn't show him missing assignments and ridiculing his teammates for doing the same thing he's doing. It didn't show him taking himself out of the game by getting into a shoving match running up the court with a Celtics big man and complaining to the refs. It didn't show him disregarding Larkin trying to explain the play to him that he screwed up.