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StarksEwing1
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10/6/2014  8:22 AM
In my opinion the best thing Phil has done so far is start to bring a good amount of youth or the team. Obviously Hardaway was here already and he has been a steal. I do think Larkin can develop into a good point guard he just has to learn a bit more since he missed time with injury his rookie year. The early pick was another steal in the second round. We also have out first round pick this coming draft which doesnt happen often for the Knicks lol. I like that Phil stresses the importanace of youth and drafting
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10/6/2014  9:02 AM
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10/6/2014  9:21 AM
Excited to see how Hardaway progresses. Since its only his second yr he can be built from the ground up under the triangle. Same with Early and Larkin. With our draft pick which the draft is heavy on bigs and cap space, we can add a few more solid players next offseason and build this thing brick by brick.
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10/6/2014  9:55 AM
Excited to see this preseason hope to see cole,early,Greek 2,thjr,Larkin ... I think thjr blows people out of the water and gets the starting nod sometime this season... I think jr and shump will be traded this season or jr goes back to 6th man role
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10/6/2014  10:06 AM
Yoots as tradable assets as well.
Its part of the process, as will be LOSING.
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10/6/2014  11:24 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/6/2014  11:24 AM
This looks more like the excitement surrounding Lampe, Mike Sweetney and Frank Williams future core.
We might get one or two nice role players out of our youth but we're well below average in youth development IMO.
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10/6/2014  1:05 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:This looks more like the excitement surrounding Lampe, Mike Sweetney and Frank Williams future core.
We might get one or two nice role players out of our youth but we're well below average in youth development IMO.

Gotta keep it in perspective. We are talking about late picks and not top 10 picks. In that light we have done very good drafting. Also it's so important to add high level role players to your team. It's so hard to draft top talent even when you have high draft picks.

I really like the youth Phil has added. I think Early is gonna be really good. He has all the tools and just needs to continue to develop. Larkin was a nice addition as was Acy. I can see all these guys getting some action. That's a good sign.
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nixluva wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:This looks more like the excitement surrounding Lampe, Mike Sweetney and Frank Williams future core.
We might get one or two nice role players out of our youth but we're well below average in youth development IMO.

Gotta keep it in perspective. We are talking about late picks and not top 10 picks. In that light we have done very good drafting. Also it's so important to add high level role players to your team. It's so hard to draft top talent even when you have high draft picks.

I really like the youth Phil has added. I think Early is gonna be really good. He has all the tools and just needs to continue to develop. Larkin was a nice addition as was Acy. I can see all these guys getting some action. That's a good sign.


That's reasonable. It's just not enough to excite me though.
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Bonn1997 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:This looks more like the excitement surrounding Lampe, Mike Sweetney and Frank Williams future core.
We might get one or two nice role players out of our youth but we're well below average in youth development IMO.

Gotta keep it in perspective. We are talking about late picks and not top 10 picks. In that light we have done very good drafting. Also it's so important to add high level role players to your team. It's so hard to draft top talent even when you have high draft picks.

I really like the youth Phil has added. I think Early is gonna be really good. He has all the tools and just needs to continue to develop. Larkin was a nice addition as was Acy. I can see all these guys getting some action. That's a good sign.


That's reasonable. It's just not enough to excite me though.

Well the chance exists that a player like Early could end up being almost as good as Kawhi some day. I see a ton of talent in this kid. His athletic ability and skill level is pretty high. In this system Early should be great with his sweet stroke and athletic ability.
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10/6/2014  2:07 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:This looks more like the excitement surrounding Lampe, Mike Sweetney and Frank Williams future core.
We might get one or two nice role players out of our youth but we're well below average in youth development IMO.

+1. Aside from Hardaway, I think we've got a fairly bland collection of young talent.
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10/6/2014  2:09 PM
nixluva wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:This looks more like the excitement surrounding Lampe, Mike Sweetney and Frank Williams future core.
We might get one or two nice role players out of our youth but we're well below average in youth development IMO.

Gotta keep it in perspective. We are talking about late picks and not top 10 picks. In that light we have done very good drafting. Also it's so important to add high level role players to your team. It's so hard to draft top talent even when you have high draft picks.

I really like the youth Phil has added. I think Early is gonna be really good. He has all the tools and just needs to continue to develop. Larkin was a nice addition as was Acy. I can see all these guys getting some action. That's a good sign.


That's reasonable. It's just not enough to excite me though.

Well the chance exists that a player like Early could end up being almost as good as Kawhi some day. I see a ton of talent in this kid. His athletic ability and skill level is pretty high. In this system Early should be great with his sweet stroke and athletic ability.

Agree .. Early seems to have a nice stroke and can throw it down.. Nice defender as well... Needs to learn how to dribble seems very hesitant to put the ball on the floor with a defender on him ... If he can worn on that watch out
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NardDogNation wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:This looks more like the excitement surrounding Lampe, Mike Sweetney and Frank Williams future core.
We might get one or two nice role players out of our youth but we're well below average in youth development IMO.

+1. Aside from Hardaway, I think we've got a fairly bland collection of young talent.


True, but the potential is there for improvement. We've got our pick this year and it looks like it's going to be a solid draft. From what I've seen from Larkin and Early, I feel confident saying they'll be rotation players. I think there's enough here to have a measured degree of excitement.
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NardDogNation wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:This looks more like the excitement surrounding Lampe, Mike Sweetney and Frank Williams future core.
We might get one or two nice role players out of our youth but we're well below average in youth development IMO.

+1. Aside from Hardaway, I think we've got a fairly bland collection of young talent.

IMO Early is just as exciting a prospect as Hardaway. He's got defensive talent as well as great offensive talent. Early hasn't even gotten started yet in terms of developing his total game and from what I've seen he has already made some progress.

I also think Larkin and Acy have some potential to contribute down the line. Not every pick and addition you make is gonna be Elite. It's not even that way for MOST of the draft. So many top picks don't pan out.
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fitzfarm wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:This looks more like the excitement surrounding Lampe, Mike Sweetney and Frank Williams future core.
We might get one or two nice role players out of our youth but we're well below average in youth development IMO.

Gotta keep it in perspective. We are talking about late picks and not top 10 picks. In that light we have done very good drafting. Also it's so important to add high level role players to your team. It's so hard to draft top talent even when you have high draft picks.

I really like the youth Phil has added. I think Early is gonna be really good. He has all the tools and just needs to continue to develop. Larkin was a nice addition as was Acy. I can see all these guys getting some action. That's a good sign.


That's reasonable. It's just not enough to excite me though.

Well the chance exists that a player like Early could end up being almost as good as Kawhi some day. I see a ton of talent in this kid. His athletic ability and skill level is pretty high. In this system Early should be great with his sweet stroke and athletic ability.

Agree .. Early seems to have a nice stroke and can throw it down.. Nice defender as well... Needs to learn how to dribble seems very hesitant to put the ball on the floor with a defender on him ... If he can worn on that watch out

...or he could be Marvin Williams 2.0....
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BigDaddyG wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:This looks more like the excitement surrounding Lampe, Mike Sweetney and Frank Williams future core.
We might get one or two nice role players out of our youth but we're well below average in youth development IMO.

+1. Aside from Hardaway, I think we've got a fairly bland collection of young talent.


True, but the potential is there for improvement. We've got our pick this year and it looks like it's going to be a solid draft. From what I've seen from Larkin and Early, I feel confident saying they'll be rotation players. I think there's enough here to have a measured degree of excitement.

I'll give you Early as a rotation player but I'm highly skeptical of Larkin's ability to stick in this league. He seemed to have difficulty playing against length in the Summer League with D-League caliber talent. I can't imagine him operating in a league where he has Derrick Rose and John Wall D-ing up on him with Joakim Noah and Marcin Gortat ready to pounce if he gets past them. Larkin, however, HAS the talent and skill to play in this league BUT lacks the physicality for it to matter. Guys his size have historically been otherworldly athletes and possessed an elite skillset/skill. Larkin has demonstrated none of the above and I doubt he'll ever be as lightening quick as an A.I./TJ Ford or built like a running-back like CP3 or Nate Robinson. Because of that, I doubt he ever develops into a mainstay in this league like his predecessors have been.
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NardDogNation wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:This looks more like the excitement surrounding Lampe, Mike Sweetney and Frank Williams future core.
We might get one or two nice role players out of our youth but we're well below average in youth development IMO.

Gotta keep it in perspective. We are talking about late picks and not top 10 picks. In that light we have done very good drafting. Also it's so important to add high level role players to your team. It's so hard to draft top talent even when you have high draft picks.

I really like the youth Phil has added. I think Early is gonna be really good. He has all the tools and just needs to continue to develop. Larkin was a nice addition as was Acy. I can see all these guys getting some action. That's a good sign.


That's reasonable. It's just not enough to excite me though.

Well the chance exists that a player like Early could end up being almost as good as Kawhi some day. I see a ton of talent in this kid. His athletic ability and skill level is pretty high. In this system Early should be great with his sweet stroke and athletic ability.

Agree .. Early seems to have a nice stroke and can throw it down.. Nice defender as well... Needs to learn how to dribble seems very hesitant to put the ball on the floor with a defender on him ... If he can worn on that watch out

...or he could be Marvin Williams 2.0....

Early is already not the same limited player as Marvin Williams. I really don't think you've taken a good look at this kid and his talent level. He's got flaws but he's also got plenty of ability already. Marvin is just OK and he was expected to be very good. If Early can be a solid defensive player that would be great. Marvin is not a very good defender. This is the area where Early has a chance to be much better. In the end Marvin has been an avg. NBA player which is underachieving given his draft position. If Early is avg. that won't be a disaster given when he was picked.

I like Early's energy more than Marvin's. I think Early could really be more productive if he can maintain a high energy level and if he does in fact improve his handle that would only make him even more dangerous.
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nixluva wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:This looks more like the excitement surrounding Lampe, Mike Sweetney and Frank Williams future core.
We might get one or two nice role players out of our youth but we're well below average in youth development IMO.

Gotta keep it in perspective. We are talking about late picks and not top 10 picks. In that light we have done very good drafting. Also it's so important to add high level role players to your team. It's so hard to draft top talent even when you have high draft picks.

I really like the youth Phil has added. I think Early is gonna be really good. He has all the tools and just needs to continue to develop. Larkin was a nice addition as was Acy. I can see all these guys getting some action. That's a good sign.


That's reasonable. It's just not enough to excite me though.

Well the chance exists that a player like Early could end up being almost as good as Kawhi some day. I see a ton of talent in this kid. His athletic ability and skill level is pretty high. In this system Early should be great with his sweet stroke and athletic ability.

Agree .. Early seems to have a nice stroke and can throw it down.. Nice defender as well... Needs to learn how to dribble seems very hesitant to put the ball on the floor with a defender on him ... If he can worn on that watch out

...or he could be Marvin Williams 2.0....

Early is already not the same limited player as Marvin Williams. I really don't think you've taken a good look at this kid and his talent level. He's got flaws but he's also got plenty of ability already. Marvin is just OK and he was expected to be very good. If Early can be a solid defensive player that would be great. Marvin is not a very good defender. This is the area where Early has a chance to be much better. In the end Marvin has been an avg. NBA player which is underachieving given his draft position. If Early is avg. that won't be a disaster given when he was picked.

I like Early's energy more than Marvin's. I think Early could really be more productive if he can maintain a high energy level and if he does in fact improve his handle that would only make him even more dangerous.

Marvin Williams went ahead of guys like CP3, Deron Williams, Danny Granger, Monta Ellis, David Lee and probably some other star player I'm forgetting. He could do everything Early could do in college and more. But circumstance and the NBA game itself does not always allow for that promise to translate to this level. I like Early but he hasn't shown to be anything more than a "catch and shoot" player that is also a willing defender, which is the same thing Marvin Williams has been since he's been in the league. If he doesn't improve his handle, I'm not sure if he can be anything better than what Marvin has been.
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I think currently the best comparion would be James Posey
Of course it depends on how he develops, how much work he puts in, and his trainer

If he is looking to be able to defend which position, SF, SG or PF
If he can become a good defender or lock down defender, or 1v1 defender or help defender
On OFF can be improve his handle, ability to create his own shot, can he hit the 3pt shot in the NBA level, and create for others

only time will tell
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I think currently the best comparion would be James Posey
Of course it depends on how he develops, how much work he puts in, and his trainer

If he is looking to be able to defend which position, SF, SG or PF
If he can become a good defender or lock down defender, or 1v1 defender or help defender
On OFF can be improve his handle, ability to create his own shot, can he hit the 3pt shot in the NBA level, and create for others

only time will tell
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