F500ONE wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:That would make sense if Brand & Dwill weren't also both capable of being difference makers to go along with higher level of talent along side of them at the times they played Denver.
Clippers ran into a Denver team that had Greg Buckner and Eduardo Najara as heavy rotation players which is why they were a better team then the Nuggets. I see when they win and go to the WCF its a Billups led team. When they lose it becomes a Melo led team.
Rather then admitting that Clippers and Utah were better teams then you initially thought and or Denver didn't hold as much talent as you initially thought you decide to go on a meaningless rant about the Clippers organization. Denver wasn't as good a team as you portray them to be and they face tougher comp then you want to admit. Claiming there was no excuse for them to lose to those teams is a false premise.
Of course you will hold on to it though with the sole purpose of using the false premise to show Melo is a failure.
This is a real slow quiet training camp. I was expecting more updates and excitement. When is the first preseason game?
You're the one trying to have it both ways
For the record against Utah Billups put up good numbers
When they lose it's because Melo didn't have Camby
When they win it's because Melo carried them on his back no Billups credit
The reason Billups is the true factor because
Every Denver team compares to the one who went to the WCF
Except every team prior to never went as far
You wanna go through playoff rosters yr by yr and see if this is true?
Oh wait I can guess what one of your retorts will be
You'll look at the opponent and say stuff like
Well Melo ran into the Spurs or Lakers yada yada juggernauts
Go look at how Melo performed in 2007-2008 against the Lakers
Go look at how Melo performed in 2008-2009 against the Lakers
You can't be high volume and have numbers 40 or sub 40
Good grief he attempted 21fga/gm across 2 series and shot 36/25 and 40/25
The Grizzlies a few yrs back they erased the Spurs
Yes Ginobli wasn't as healthy but the Grizzlies weren't proven
Why were they able to do so
Because they have a balanced team
Clippers came back and erased Grizzlies following yr
With Nick Young playing huge X factor that series
Same token 3yrs later the same Spurs much much older
Went to back-to-back Finals, largely because of a role player and not a Superstar
Isn't this the crux of the argument?
Melo is being paid to be a difference maker
Not a player to fall into the mix of role players
He's also being sold as DA MAN
Give Melo a running mate like Iverson[go look at his numbers they were nasty]
Melo flopped even when he had someone to run with
lol he played with Iverson and Camby unified and still flopped
With Billups Denver was a more complete balanced team which is why they had more success. Billups brought a leader, high IQ floor general and big shots which was what Denver & Melo needed. They even faced a weaker team then normal in the Hornets to get that first round bug out the way.
Lakers were the #1 team in the West both yrs and went to the finals both yrs. They crushed SA 4-1 in the WCF and only lost 3 games in in the Western conference playoffs. Then won the finals as the best team in the NBA the next 2 yrs. Melo shooting poorly is only one variable you try to make it as if its the reason.
My argument is based on what it takes to be a championship contender and win championships, not to prove Melo IS DA MAN. I accept your criticism of Melo's game, but it goes hand in hand. Speaking specifically on Melo. When on his game he can be the most dominant scorer in the NBA(with Kobe getting older). Which holds value and is probably why he gets max contracts. Hopefully the Triangle presents him the easy looks to allow him to be so, efficiently. Denver was never a complete enough basketball team to win a championship and faced more complete basketball teams then themselves which is why they lost no matter if Melo shot poorly or very well. They came together one yr as a more complete basketball team when they acquired Billups and made a run to the WCF. Probably lacking an upgrade at PF/C from pushing them over the top. For some reason its more important for you and other anit-Melo posters to establish that Billups was greater then Melo and made the team win. Or when Knicks were winning 54 games that Kidd was the reason. Does it really matter? Asking for Melo to play alongside of a Billups, and an impact post player like say a P.Gasol, with complimentary role players around them. Making Melo uncoverable thus looking like the teams best player is no less then what majority of championship teams have had to work with with 3-4 high level players consistently make you pay. No less then what KG had to work with along side of Rondo, Allen & Pierce. Or Kobe along side of Gasol, Odom, Bynum/Artest.
