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F500ONE
Posts: 23899 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/28/2014 Member: #5844 |
9/30/2014 2:13 PM
mreinman wrote:F500ONE wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:knicks1248 wrote:mreinman wrote:knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:I accept that I will never like Carmelo Anthony. I will root for the team of course but I look forward to the day he is off the team. Hopefully before the 5yrs are upI like melo and i do defend him quite a bit i just dont think you can win a title with him as the main guy. This isnt a criticism because very few players can do that. I think Melo can be a big part of winning a title but he needs to play with someone who is a better overall player, im not talking about a better scorer just another guy who is very good at all phases of the game Okay Camby wasn't there Birdman was Camby was traded to Clippers right after
Billups = Not a Scrub Birdman = Not a Scrub Nene= Not a Scrub Martin= Not a Scrub
And what you're saying Billups
Makes sense he finished 6th in MVP voting that year
Good luck finding a prime, near prime Billups
Probably just above scrub levels |
mreinman
Posts: 37827 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/14/2010 Member: #3189 |
9/30/2014 2:35 PM
F500ONE wrote:mreinman wrote:F500ONE wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:knicks1248 wrote:mreinman wrote:knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:I accept that I will never like Carmelo Anthony. I will root for the team of course but I look forward to the day he is off the team. Hopefully before the 5yrs are upI like melo and i do defend him quite a bit i just dont think you can win a title with him as the main guy. This isnt a criticism because very few players can do that. I think Melo can be a big part of winning a title but he needs to play with someone who is a better overall player, im not talking about a better scorer just another guy who is very good at all phases of the game Not a great team yet Billups was enough to be the X Factor and they (finally) got pretty far. Very Few exceptions for teams that win with only one star. Billups was not a star though he was a pro and extremely efficient. And, Melo needed a leader and Billups was that leader. Without Billups Melo never really had that type of player that could help them get further in a tough conference, and, Melo was certainly not good enough or smart enough to do it alone. so here is what phil is thinking ....
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newyorknewyork
Posts: 29863 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #541 |
9/30/2014 6:04 PM
F500ONE wrote:mreinman wrote:F500ONE wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:knicks1248 wrote:mreinman wrote:knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:I accept that I will never like Carmelo Anthony. I will root for the team of course but I look forward to the day he is off the team. Hopefully before the 5yrs are upI like melo and i do defend him quite a bit i just dont think you can win a title with him as the main guy. This isnt a criticism because very few players can do that. I think Melo can be a big part of winning a title but he needs to play with someone who is a better overall player, im not talking about a better scorer just another guy who is very good at all phases of the game Melo had enough to win what exactly? They lost to a superior team, with a superior head coach, with a superior superstar. https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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F500ONE
Posts: 23899 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/28/2014 Member: #5844 |
9/30/2014 6:27 PM LAST EDITED: 9/30/2014 6:29 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:F500ONE wrote:mreinman wrote:F500ONE wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:knicks1248 wrote:mreinman wrote:knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:I accept that I will never like Carmelo Anthony. I will root for the team of course but I look forward to the day he is off the team. Hopefully before the 5yrs are upI like melo and i do defend him quite a bit i just dont think you can win a title with him as the main guy. This isnt a criticism because very few players can do that. I think Melo can be a big part of winning a title but he needs to play with someone who is a better overall player, im not talking about a better scorer just another guy who is very good at all phases of the game Whom Melo is often lumped in with Around these neck of the woods
Probably have more favorable outcomes
Dirk, Duncan, Kobe, Wade, Lebron, Durant, Paul George, probably Garnett
But is treated as if he's on a Super talent's level |
knickscity
Posts: 24533 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/2/2012 Member: #4241 USA |
9/30/2014 6:49 PM
F500ONE wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:F500ONE wrote:mreinman wrote:F500ONE wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:knicks1248 wrote:mreinman wrote:knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:I accept that I will never like Carmelo Anthony. I will root for the team of course but I look forward to the day he is off the team. Hopefully before the 5yrs are upI like melo and i do defend him quite a bit i just dont think you can win a title with him as the main guy. This isnt a criticism because very few players can do that. I think Melo can be a big part of winning a title but he needs to play with someone who is a better overall player, im not talking about a better scorer just another guy who is very good at all phases of the game While I am not of the belief that Melo can be the best player on a championship team, pretty much every champion has superior talent 1-8. Our second best player since Melo has been here has been JR Smith, barring the first season. You wont be winning much with that type of reliance or team makeup. |
F500ONE
Posts: 23899 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/28/2014 Member: #5844 |
9/30/2014 7:04 PM
knickscity wrote:F500ONE wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:F500ONE wrote:mreinman wrote:F500ONE wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:knicks1248 wrote:mreinman wrote:knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:I accept that I will never like Carmelo Anthony. I will root for the team of course but I look forward to the day he is off the team. Hopefully before the 5yrs are upI like melo and i do defend him quite a bit i just dont think you can win a title with him as the main guy. This isnt a criticism because very few players can do that. I think Melo can be a big part of winning a title but he needs to play with someone who is a better overall player, im not talking about a better scorer just another guy who is very good at all phases of the game I can agree to some extent This discussion always seems to
And there he shouldn't have been getting
Considering who he did play with
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knicks1248
Posts: 42059 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 2/3/2004 Member: #582 |
9/30/2014 7:24 PM
knickscity wrote:F500ONE wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:F500ONE wrote:mreinman wrote:F500ONE wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:knicks1248 wrote:mreinman wrote:knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:I accept that I will never like Carmelo Anthony. I will root for the team of course but I look forward to the day he is off the team. Hopefully before the 5yrs are upI like melo and i do defend him quite a bit i just dont think you can win a title with him as the main guy. This isnt a criticism because very few players can do that. I think Melo can be a big part of winning a title but he needs to play with someone who is a better overall player, im not talking about a better scorer just another guy who is very good at all phases of the game your so wrong dude, you have players like JR and melo, what you need for them is the right guidance, the right culture, the right role players. Understand the history of the league. ES
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knickscity
Posts: 24533 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/2/2012 Member: #4241 USA |
9/30/2014 7:38 PM
knicks1248 wrote:knickscity wrote:F500ONE wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:F500ONE wrote:mreinman wrote:F500ONE wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:knicks1248 wrote:mreinman wrote:knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:I accept that I will never like Carmelo Anthony. I will root for the team of course but I look forward to the day he is off the team. Hopefully before the 5yrs are upI like melo and i do defend him quite a bit i just dont think you can win a title with him as the main guy. This isnt a criticism because very few players can do that. I think Melo can be a big part of winning a title but he needs to play with someone who is a better overall player, im not talking about a better scorer just another guy who is very good at all phases of the game if you need that many "rights" you just proved my point. |
newyorknewyork
Posts: 29863 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #541 |
9/30/2014 8:01 PM
F500ONE wrote:knickscity wrote:F500ONE wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:F500ONE wrote:mreinman wrote:F500ONE wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:knicks1248 wrote:mreinman wrote:knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:I accept that I will never like Carmelo Anthony. I will root for the team of course but I look forward to the day he is off the team. Hopefully before the 5yrs are upI like melo and i do defend him quite a bit i just dont think you can win a title with him as the main guy. This isnt a criticism because very few players can do that. I think Melo can be a big part of winning a title but he needs to play with someone who is a better overall player, im not talking about a better scorer just another guy who is very good at all phases of the game Jordan is greater then Dirk yet Jordan still played along side of better talent and coached by a better coach. Every superstar needs a ton of talent and great coaching to win championships. He had some good talent to in Denver on paper. The problem with that though is that the talent was often injured and the west was loaded during those times. Its not just about how good your team is but how tough the compition is as well. Those Denver teams were not on the level of there comp. If they played in the east then they would have made a couple of finals appearances. Those Eastern teams made the finals and got destroyed by the West mostly the same teams Denver lost to. If Melo was rightfully drafted by Detroit. Playing alongside of vets like Ben Wallace Billups Rasheed and Rip. Coached by HOF Larry Brown. Then he would have been in equal scenarios as most NBA champions. https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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knicks1248
Posts: 42059 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 2/3/2004 Member: #582 |
9/30/2014 8:20 PM
knickscity wrote:F500ONE wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:F500ONE wrote:mreinman wrote:F500ONE wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:knicks1248 wrote:mreinman wrote:knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:I accept that I will never like Carmelo Anthony. I will root for the team of course but I look forward to the day he is off the team. Hopefully before the 5yrs are upI like melo and i do defend him quite a bit i just dont think you can win a title with him as the main guy. This isnt a criticism because very few players can do that. I think Melo can be a big part of winning a title but he needs to play with someone who is a better overall player, im not talking about a better scorer just another guy who is very good at all phases of the game your so wrong dude, you have players like JR and melo, what you need for them is the right guidance, the right culture, the right role players. Understand the history of the league. ES
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knickscity
Posts: 24533 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/2/2012 Member: #4241 USA |
9/30/2014 8:35 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:F500ONE wrote:knickscity wrote:F500ONE wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:F500ONE wrote:mreinman wrote:F500ONE wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:knicks1248 wrote:mreinman wrote:knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:I accept that I will never like Carmelo Anthony. I will root for the team of course but I look forward to the day he is off the team. Hopefully before the 5yrs are upI like melo and i do defend him quite a bit i just dont think you can win a title with him as the main guy. This isnt a criticism because very few players can do that. I think Melo can be a big part of winning a title but he needs to play with someone who is a better overall player, im not talking about a better scorer just another guy who is very good at all phases of the game i agree with you here, but I put more of that on Karl than the team he had.they had. Denver iirc during Karl time there two twice to teams that won the title and the third time that team was the runner up. Also iirc, Denver was 1-3 when they had hca in the first round. |