TripleThreat wrote:F500ONE wrote:You trade him to a team under the capYou ask for a pick[1st] or picks[2nd]
Shumpert is not worth a 1st round pick, nor likely a 2nd rounder, not in today's NBA marketplace, not under the current CBA conditions.
Why Shumpert MIGHT have been worth a 1st rounder to a team like OKC a few years ago, was that pre injury, you are looking at a young defensive stopper who players shooting guard ( it is very difficult to find good wings in the NBA) on a cost controlled rookie contract. For a team so nearly capped out and with few options to improve, and consider any surrendered pick that is their own ( and not another teams by trade via proxy) would likely be a low pick, in the late 20s. OKC would be gambling that Shumpert is better than what they could get with said future pick and could help them right now and for a FEW YEARS at a cost controlled level.
Now Shumpert is post injury. There are concerns if he will be able to fulfill his full potential. If you blow out your knee, you are never the same. How far from the same pre injury is the question. More questions, less value.
Shumpert is in a contract year. No more 2-3 season of cheap cost controlled labor. Now if you trade for him, you must make a long term decision on him very very quickly. It's not like you have 2-3 years like they did with Jeremy Lamb or Reggie Jackson to evaluate.
Shumpert has shown immaturity, despite the Knicks not doing him any favors with their management and development of him. On a veteran team, that's a red flag.
The OKC Thunder are still strong, but an injury or two ( Westbrook seems constantly hurt, Jackson becomes a contract question now, Ibaka is a big and bigs are always a risk to get injured from banging around in the post) could change the trajectory of what their potential pick might look like.
Phoenix got a first rounder for Gortat. Omer Asik moved for a first rounder. Spencer Hawes moved for a pair of 2nds. Evan Turner moved for 2nds. You can still get a first rounder in a trade, but odds are you need to be trading a big, a high value commodity. Teams are hoarding first rounders now because the current CBA incentivizes teams to build through the draft and seek young cost controlled labor who are outplaying said rookie contract.
Zen Master has openly pretty much tried to trade every single guy on the roster not named Melo. If he could have gotten a future first rounder or even a pair of 2nds for Shumpert, he would have traded him already.
The very same reason the Knicks will and should hesitate on an extension are the same core principles why other teams will hesitate to trade for him. Jackson and Fish have no choice but to let Shumpert play and put some distance between him and the stink of his feud with Woodson and his injury and his poor play last year and see if he can reassert some trade value. Even he does, we are looking at 2nd round picks, not a first rounder. The marketplace for NBA valuation on first round picks has changed.
Shump was worth a 1st to OKC
The past season deadline
They even showed interest
After he tweaked his knee
We showed little interest to move him there
They officially backed out when the Clippers
C-Blocked the deal by making an offer for him
The Clippers package was Collison-Barnes-Bullock and 2 picks
For Shumpert and Felton
Is he worth a 1st to OKC now
Probably not but you never know
If we dialed them up now or during the draft
Like Phil should have
Rumor has it he advised us not to
Trade Shumpert on a couple occasions last yr
As far as extensions go I'm happy
Shumpert isn't receiving one
I'm mad we've turned him into sunk cost