Posted by BRIGGS:

hes not better than big Z and my bet is eddie curry will be the best C this year in the east. but dampier would easily be top 4

Oops forgot about big Z. Anyway Dampier would still make this Knicks team a lot better. If we keep KT (which I don't mind doing unless we can get someone better) then we would have a nice defensive lineup.

Dampier
K. Thomas
T. Thomas
H20
Marbury

Posted by BRIGGS:

hes not better than big Z and my bet is eddie curry will be the best C this year in the east. but dampier would easily be top 4

He's ten times the defensive player big Z is

Bit Z is pretty bad himself. If he was a good center there is no way the Cavs would not make the playoffs in the East. Dampier just might be better from a team standpoint of view as he plays much much better defense simply because he is much more mobile. Put together, the +/- ratios of offene and defense of the two guys just might show that Dampier is better. That's pretty sad though. Whatever happened to all the great centers of the past. Can you beleave that at one time, Ewing, Olajuwon, Robinson, Shaq, Divac, Rick Smith, just of the top of my head, all played at the same time. Now you have Shaq, Yao, and Duncan at C, and Duncan doesnt even play C. The rest of the guys would not even start back in the old days. The likes of Dampier, Big Z and the rest of them would be carrier backups. The NBA def got worse.

Dampier is no bum, but he has been a very lazy player in the past and only really came close to living up to his potential this past season, his contract year. He still hasn't fully developed on offense. Still, the man did some work on the defense and rebounding side and would make us a 100% in that department if he came here. He's not without risk, but in our position, we can only make risky moves.

Posted by simrud:

A bum who is better then 2/3 of the centers in the NBA. Man, you don't know that much about bball do you? You watched this guy right? So what exactly did you expected to see? A Shaq like dominance? Are you out of your mind? They guy gets 12 12 and 2+ blocks, what more do you want? That's about as good as it gets at C this side of Shaq. Both Wallace and O'Neal play PF. Foster and Ben Wallace play center. On the pistons Sheed never ever plays center. Okur, even Cambell play at the 5 ahead of him. Hell, they put the big nasty at the 5 before Wallace, as they usually slide him down to the 3. Learn somethign about bball before posting garbage. Like BRIGGS said, gettin Dampier for nothing is a steal that makes us one of the best ind East right away.

Listen man, I forgot more basketball than you will ever know. I watched a dozen warriors games on satellite this year, they guy is nothing special, if he is that good then why are the warriors such a mediocre team, I mean it is not like they don't have talent on that team, the reason is because Dampier is not a difference maker. Watch the games and stop quoting facts, the guy has done nothing of significance over the past 4 years!!!

Posted by BRIGGS:

hes not better than big Z and my bet is eddie curry will be the best C this year in the east. but dampier would easily be top 4

exactly, that is exactly right, and the question remains, what is the big deal about DAmpier...?

Posted by simrud:

Bit Z is pretty bad himself. If he was a good center there is no way the Cavs would not make the playoffs in the East. Dampier just might be better from a team standpoint of view as he plays much much better defense simply because he is much more mobile. Put together, the +/- ratios of offene and defense of the two guys just might show that Dampier is better.

Excellent post Sim. Damps is a better defender. (You're right the +/-#s don't lie.) And 12 PPG in the west on 54% shooting is pretty good for someone who would be your fourth scoring option. Illgauskas simply takes more shots and converts a lower percentage

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 05/31/2004 22:39:42]

Posted by BRIGGS:

I still dont believe in the end that a player will take significantly less, but getting Dampier without giving up anything will make the Knicks a true player in the east as long as they solidify 2G and back up 3 and 1. Dampier is still 6-11 275 and in the east there arent many players who can match him. He wont last a full 6 years, but since they got marbury who will be 28 during the season next year--they need to put this together and move up the playoff ladder now. Its a 2-3 year process if you assemble the right pieces, but I dont condier this year 1 because we were not .500 and we didnt win 1 playoff game. Getting to the playoffs under .500 is not accomplishment. They need to solidify the players they will ultimatley run with for a few years by the end of next year and stay pat.

His injury problems concern me, but given the realistic options, I totally agree.

Posted by Bonn1997:

injury problems concern me

the last 3 years, he's played 73, 82, and 74 games

Then they concern me less. ;-)

ya, all good points djsunyc. i wouldn't be upset at all if isiah went in that direction.

Posted by diderotn:

It would be absurd to return with the same roster that we had last season. Anderson, Harrington, and Kurt have to go. Those three are liabilities that we definitely don't need. It is behooved the Knicks front office to do their utmost and find replacements for those three names

Kurt and Anderson to Chicago for JYD and Robinson, could be a much more potent.

JYD can be the spark off the bench that we so desperately need, while Sweet could be instated in the starting lineup

Robinson can be the bench addition that we needed Anderson to be.

At this point, anything is better than Kurt and Anderson.

ok, but what does jyd bring that's significantly better than KT? at least kurt can score some points and can backup C, and if sweets is ready to start, then he will. so we'll bring KT off the bench.

secondly, what about dermarr. what if we insert dermarr into shandon's role, then why do we need erob. if he's scrubbing it up on a chicago bulls team that's perpetually 50 games under .500, what could he possibly do for us?

i'm not against getting a role player off the bench. i'm just saying that moving kurt in a deal for toine or reef is HIGHLY UNLIKELY especially since they both have expiring deals and could net a better player. so instead of giving up other chips, our starting 5 isn't that bad and won't be significantly better with toine or reef.

dealing kurt, deke, and othella for reef or toine is a no-brainer, of course you do it but that deal would only be made by two scott laydens.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06/03/2004 11:02:00]