dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:Tyson isn't the same player he was when the Mavs won the title and they don't have as many defensive players either. Not to say they won't improve with Tyson but the Title team was ranked #8 in defense that year and last year they were ranked #22. IMO I doubt one guy makes that much of a difference. If Tyson does then that just underscores how much he underperformed here last year. He can't have it both ways. When he defended great the Knick had a good defense and when he played like Flu Tyson we stunk defensively.

baloney. when you are a dysfunctional and chaotic franchise and team, defense is absolutely the first thing to plummet. one guy in a healthy situation can make a very big difference. so if he does better on the mavs it is indication not how poorly he performed here but how poorly run the knicks were and how much of a black hole the absence of leadership caused. his comments about dirk nowitzki that were just quoted really underscores that point while undermining your opinion.

The fact he mentioned Kidd

In the same breath discussing Dirk

While remising all players he's played with

Melo and Chris Paul included

You said sneakers, I was thinking

More of not worthy carrying his jock strap

Some players are synergy

Some players zap energy

I hope Fisher Kanye West

Coaching his way Through The Fire this coming season

DrAlphaeus wrote:Sorry if I missed this in the thread, but does anyone have Phil's actual quote?

Could Tyson have taken personal offense to something that may not have even specifically called him out?

Phil's comments were bang on

New York Knicks president Phil Jackson said one of the reasons he wanted to ship Tyson Chandler and Raymond Felton to the Dallas Mavericks was to "change some of the chemistry" of his team.

"To do that we felt (it was) important to bring in some new personnel and start with some character guys that we feel can carry this forward," Jackson said on Thursday evening.

"Watching them play I saw guys that looked at each other like, 'You didn't back me up, you weren't here when I needed help,' " Jackson said. "There just wasn't the right combination or feel (where) it felt like everybody was in synch all the time."

Ha! Phil really doesn't like Tyson- he tweeted another jab at Tyson following Tyson's recent comments.

Chemistry/culture? we have 1/3 roster new, every one new changes the chemistry on a team. Culture built on new behavior-fresh ideas.

smackeddog wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:Sorry if I missed this in the thread, but does anyone have Phil's actual quote?

Could Tyson have taken personal offense to something that may not have even specifically called him out?

Phil's comments were bang on

New York Knicks president Phil Jackson said one of the reasons he wanted to ship Tyson Chandler and Raymond Felton to the Dallas Mavericks was to "change some of the chemistry" of his team.

"To do that we felt (it was) important to bring in some new personnel and start with some character guys that we feel can carry this forward," Jackson said on Thursday evening.

"Watching them play I saw guys that looked at each other like, 'You didn't back me up, you weren't here when I needed help,' " Jackson said. "There just wasn't the right combination or feel (where) it felt like everybody was in synch all the time."

Ha! Phil really doesn't like Tyson- he tweeted another jab at Tyson following Tyson's recent comments.

Chemistry/culture? we have 1/3 roster new, every one new changes the chemistry on a team. Culture built on new behavior-fresh ideas.

lets not get things twisted and oversimplify. phil jackson is not some saint pure as the driven snow. he is professional manipulator, which is not a bad thing but neither is it good 100% of the time either.

that said, he may not "like" chandler. but in this instance it isn't a personal dislike so much as a dislike based on chandler not fitting into the triangle. and lets also be clear: the main impetus for the trade was to get rid of that swine felton. that the mavs were willing to even take on felton if it meant getting back a player in chandler who DOES fit into their roster, while trading away someone who os a clear upgrade over felton in calderon-- well that says a lot about the mavs' front office's esteem for chandler, right?

in the end, it may be easier for jackson to put his foot in his mouth concerning chandler and "chemistry" instead of stating the obvious: chandler is not the kind of center that fits into the triangle offense-- he lacks offensive skills. the issue now becomes will sam dalembert be displaced by another player, such as cole aldrich or some other center on the roster?

But we all know why Tyson was traded....he doesnt fit the triangle...not a good shooter or passer.

smackeddog wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:Sorry if I missed this in the thread, but does anyone have Phil's actual quote?

Could Tyson have taken personal offense to something that may not have even specifically called him out?

Phil's comments were bang on

New York Knicks president Phil Jackson said one of the reasons he wanted to ship Tyson Chandler and Raymond Felton to the Dallas Mavericks was to "change some of the chemistry" of his team.

"To do that we felt (it was) important to bring in some new personnel and start with some character guys that we feel can carry this forward," Jackson said on Thursday evening.

"Watching them play I saw guys that looked at each other like, 'You didn't back me up, you weren't here when I needed help,' " Jackson said. "There just wasn't the right combination or feel (where) it felt like everybody was in synch all the time."

Ha! Phil really doesn't like Tyson- he tweeted another jab at Tyson following Tyson's recent comments.

Chemistry/culture? we have 1/3 roster new, every one new changes the chemistry on a team. Culture built on new behavior-fresh ideas.

CrushAlot wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:Sorry if I missed this in the thread, but does anyone have Phil's actual quote?

Could Tyson have taken personal offense to something that may not have even specifically called him out?

Phil's comments were bang on

New York Knicks president Phil Jackson said one of the reasons he wanted to ship Tyson Chandler and Raymond Felton to the Dallas Mavericks was to "change some of the chemistry" of his team.

"To do that we felt (it was) important to bring in some new personnel and start with some character guys that we feel can carry this forward," Jackson said on Thursday evening.

"Watching them play I saw guys that looked at each other like, 'You didn't back me up, you weren't here when I needed help,' " Jackson said. "There just wasn't the right combination or feel (where) it felt like everybody was in synch all the time."

Ha! Phil really doesn't like Tyson- he tweeted another jab at Tyson following Tyson's recent comments.

Chemistry/culture? we have 1/3 roster new, every one new changes the chemistry on a team. Culture built on new behavior-fresh ideas.

That certainly is a long way from these type of statements, 'we know we are giving up a lot...' or 'we know we are losing a great leader and defender'. Glad Phil is a straight shooter.

"straight shooter" you have got to be kidding. this is the nba, a professional sports team, a business. what a naive statement.

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:Sorry if I missed this in the thread, but does anyone have Phil's actual quote?

Could Tyson have taken personal offense to something that may not have even specifically called him out?

Phil's comments were bang on

New York Knicks president Phil Jackson said one of the reasons he wanted to ship Tyson Chandler and Raymond Felton to the Dallas Mavericks was to "change some of the chemistry" of his team.

"To do that we felt (it was) important to bring in some new personnel and start with some character guys that we feel can carry this forward," Jackson said on Thursday evening.

"Watching them play I saw guys that looked at each other like, 'You didn't back me up, you weren't here when I needed help,' " Jackson said. "There just wasn't the right combination or feel (where) it felt like everybody was in synch all the time."

Ha! Phil really doesn't like Tyson- he tweeted another jab at Tyson following Tyson's recent comments.

Chemistry/culture? we have 1/3 roster new, every one new changes the chemistry on a team. Culture built on new behavior-fresh ideas.

That certainly is a long way from these type of statements, 'we know we are giving up a lot...' or 'we know we are losing a great leader and defender'. Glad Phil is a straight shooter.

"straight shooter" you have got to be kidding. this is the nba, a professional sports team, a business. what a naive statement.

Its business. Phil just told Tyson he saw through his bs, and cost him millions in 2015 by outing him to those naïve enough not to figure out the guy is a phony. What do you think? Does an assessment like that of your character from a guy that has won 13 rings hurt your future earnings especially if a little research backs it up? I didn't think you thought basketball was a business. I thought it was all about not taking your market value and instead taking dramatic pay cuts in the prime of your career to show you were about winning and character. Business, winning, character. Somehow they are all connected in this winning stuff.

he won 11 rings as a coach, 9 of which was with michael jordan and shaquille o'neal. had garnett not been injured one year as a celtic and then the tragic loss of kendrick perkins in another campaign that number of rings would have remained 9. he won 1 ring as an active player-- an excellent player in 1973. the other ring in 1970 he was out but was an excellent student of red holzman.

so jackson won one ring as an excellent role player, and chandler has won one ring as an excellent role player.

chandler is making the more money with the mavs than he did with the knicks so what is your point here? what has he "lost"? are the mavs closer to a title than the knicks next year? do they have dirk and the knicks have....?

to your issue about basketball as a business-- it is not merely a business since winning titles in sports clearly transcends business, at least with people who care more about winning than money. dirk cares more about winning than money. so does duncan, ginobili, parker, even shaq. bosh, lebron, wade took less so they ahd a chance to win, and they won twice, one time by luck but still.

russell cared more about winning than money, and auerbach had the stones to say as much in russell's great book "red and me."

who on the knicks cares more about winning than money?

i'll wait

To watch the changes that Phil has brought to the franchise and not have anything good to say about the team as it is presently being run is beyond me. We've been begging for real leadership and when we finally get it still we have to read this garbage from people here who are supposed to be REAL KNICK FANS. I question if some of these guys even know what that means. It's unbelievable.

nixluva wrote:It's clear to me now that we have an infestation of HATERZ on the UK forum. How the hell do we have such a vocal group of New York Knick Haterz on this forum? It's one thing to not think the team is any good, but it goes deeper than that. To read some of the comments about Phil Jackson as if he's some bum or just some guy that only won because of the players he had as if any coach wins without good players. Guys hate on our players and really just have no ounce of support for the team. It just underscores my belief that there are self hating Knick fans on this forum.

To watch the changes that Phil has brought to the franchise and not have anything good to say about the team as it is presently being run is beyond me. We've been begging for real leadership and when we finally get it still we have to read this garbage from people here who are supposed to be REAL KNICK FANS. I question if some of these guys even know what that means. It's unbelievable.

Yup, some of them jump to criticize every little thing but take no joy in the positives. I don't know why they follow the team so closely when it seems like it's nothing but suffering for them. You just have to wonder why they invest so much time thinking about the Knicks when it seems they don't appreciate the things that make being a fan worthwhile.

Dagger wrote:

nixluva wrote:It's clear to me now that we have an infestation of HATERZ on the UK forum. How the hell do we have such a vocal group of New York Knick Haterz on this forum? It's one thing to not think the team is any good, but it goes deeper than that. To read some of the comments about Phil Jackson as if he's some bum or just some guy that only won because of the players he had as if any coach wins without good players. Guys hate on our players and really just have no ounce of support for the team. It just underscores my belief that there are self hating Knick fans on this forum.

To watch the changes that Phil has brought to the franchise and not have anything good to say about the team as it is presently being run is beyond me. We've been begging for real leadership and when we finally get it still we have to read this garbage from people here who are supposed to be REAL KNICK FANS. I question if some of these guys even know what that means. It's unbelievable.

Yup, some of them jump to criticize every little thing but take no joy in the positives. I don't know why they follow the team so closely when it seems like it's nothing but suffering for them. You just have to wonder why they invest so much time thinking about the Knicks when it seems they don't appreciate the things that make being a fan worthwhile.

what positives? they haven't played yet. come on!

dk7th wrote:

Dagger wrote:

nixluva wrote:It's clear to me now that we have an infestation of HATERZ on the UK forum. How the hell do we have such a vocal group of New York Knick Haterz on this forum? It's one thing to not think the team is any good, but it goes deeper than that. To read some of the comments about Phil Jackson as if he's some bum or just some guy that only won because of the players he had as if any coach wins without good players. Guys hate on our players and really just have no ounce of support for the team. It just underscores my belief that there are self hating Knick fans on this forum.

To watch the changes that Phil has brought to the franchise and not have anything good to say about the team as it is presently being run is beyond me. We've been begging for real leadership and when we finally get it still we have to read this garbage from people here who are supposed to be REAL KNICK FANS. I question if some of these guys even know what that means. It's unbelievable.

Yup, some of them jump to criticize every little thing but take no joy in the positives. I don't know why they follow the team so closely when it seems like it's nothing but suffering for them. You just have to wonder why they invest so much time thinking about the Knicks when it seems they don't appreciate the things that make being a fan worthwhile.

what positives? they haven't played yet. come on!

This is the process where the jury is in recess. I know I've stated I dont have no real issues with the deals Phil has made, but I'm not pretending he hit home runs with it either.

It's ok for Phil to state this team doesnt have natural defenders, he can also state that JR Smith could be a lost cause.

Now let a fan say this.