DJMUSIC wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

DJMUSIC wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:I don't watch sports to be a better person. I watch it for entertainment, as it was intended to be consumed. I could care less what happens in a player's personnel life so long as they put on a good show. Not sure why I should care much more beyond that.

Well if u don't have kids or family
Its a sick statement to make you couldn't care less? Eh ? What goes on
So Adrian P. Beating his little son abusively is ok with you

Dont know whom I'm talking to as much as can't believe what I hear with that notion.
That's too bad

No, I actually didn't say any of that. What I explicitly said is that I don't give a **** about that stuff in the context of sports. I find what Adrian Peterson did to be repugnant....but the reason why I want to see him play has nothing to do with that or the kind of person that he is.

Why do you need to see him play ..at this time Nard?
Respectively why is a Sunday NFL game important with Adrian in it while his son
Got his as_s beating up needed hospital attention and also my friend an official Police report ?

Sorry buddy respectively that is one of the most immature thangs.. I ever heard on a blog or public form,

It didn't come to that but did then young little son need to be beaten & die also?
For seeing an NFL game with Adrian '7 kids' Peterson in it ?

You know what? That is problem with issues such as we are talking about here
Men whom ain't doing right thinks with their privates pubic member organ too much .. has kids,
Mistreats them and folks want to give this a pass cause his job is NFL football,

Amazing!

Last time I checked, being a good guy isn't a prerequisite to playing football or for being particularly good at it. What Adrian Peterson did is reprehensible.....it is also a matter for the law, NOT the NFL or the court of public opinion. That's my status on all criminal acts that a professional athlete can post bond for. I'm not sure why this position is objectionable but I'm not surprised that it is in this kindergarten country of ours.

gunsnewing wrote:Peterson under investigation for abuse of another one of his 4yr olds. This one he left with a permanent facial scar

Again, where is the outrage like the outrage towards Ray Rice? Oh right there are no Child groups as their are women and feminist groups.

Children are absolutely defenseless. Peterson took it too far. Anyone who defends him is complete idiot ala Charles Barkley who just stereotyped the whole south. Wasn't he critical of Donald Sterling?

The NFL will fudge this one up too

I just listened to what Charles Barkley had to say...he's an idiot. I think that Peterson is in the clear for now with the league being preoccupied with the Rice scandal but I doubt he walks away unscathed from this. As more and more details become public knowledge, an avalanche of criticism will find him.

What it means ? A guy has a chance to learn something perhaps realize what he threw away
like as was, being in situations, fame, $money, NFL, Gangs and guns has him away from a
newborn son 1-2 yrs back when he was arrested.

It would be a Best selling book, the real Hernandez if the young man repents and came out
if his justice came to that where he actually turns his life around in prison and has a
say in his actions.

If this ever happened, I can't imagine whether Or not Rice, or Adrian P. would ever be in a position
such as Aaron but in same circumstance both Rice or Peterson can end up worst in life if they dont
ever acknowledge they both have a problem...which NFL or any job cannot fix

NardDogNation wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Funny (not really), but this country's spent decades teaching that:

1) Humans are no different than animals. A dog is a pig is a boy is an ant.
2) Nothing's truly bad, unless you happen to get caught. Still, it's not really any one else's business anyway.
3) The family is nothing but a patriarchal contrivance aimed at keeping women down.
4) Marriage is meaningless, and should be treated as such. At the very least it shouldn't be nearly as important as a contract for a used car.
5) Entertainment is the key to life.
6) Children can be viewed as an unwanted, inconvenient burden.
7) Summarily, it's your economy that truly matters.

Now complain about child abuse in dysfunctional single parent homes funded by millions of entertainment dollars.

And no one is maintaining that child abuse doesn't occur in traditional, married families. Plenty of folks take the spare the rod verse way too far. Just like they do with other biblical precepts.

But tell me how any of the numbered points would net you anything but an environment that's ripe for what's suddently wrong when the scars and bruises show up in some doctor's office somewhere.

You're right. We should all take a time machine back 2,000 years and follow a book that advocates stoning your kid to death if he/she is disobedient. That clearly is morality at its finest! Do that today and you'll have Child Services in your ass. Unbelievable! This is what happens when you let these goddamn liberals run a muck.

Another brilliant retort from the board's morality meter. Time travel. Actually, the book dates back before 2000 years ago, but feel free to enlighten us on how great this very second's up-to-date morality is working out for all of us. Especially in the cases we're all discussing in this thread.

Oh that's right, you really don't care, because you're just actually concerned with only what the 2-D images do on TV.

Now tell us how religion and ol' BS texts are the basis for everything wrong in the world, including Adrian Peterson's current problem. Dayum lunatic fundamentalists!

My apologies. I should've known that a "scholar", such as yourself, needed an exact date for when the Bible was written. After all, this point was clearly the crux of my post.

But while we're on the topic of Adrian Peterson, it seems as though the "2-D images on TV" had nothing to do with him pummeling his 4 year old son until he drew blood. His miracle book, however, certainly did and has left him feeling more than righteous about his actions:

"People understand that if you are on God's course and suppose to have that position and man decides to remove you know that God will remove everyone to place you rightfully! You matter!....Its your season! Weapons may form but won’t prosper! God has you covered don’t stress or worry!"-Adrian Peterson

And who could blame him? He was well within his right to stone that little mother****er to death! The kid should feel lucky that he got off easy! After all, Adrian Peterson is a man of God. It's why he impregnated 7 different strippers out of wedlock. You got to ask yourself, who better to have raise your seed than women who have no other marketable skills besides taking their clothes off for money? Stay classy Adrian....but most important of all, stay Christian! Now if you'll excuse me, I've got to go and have Dwight Howard lecture me about the gospel as he chases former dolla' ho porn star, Mary Carey through her home as he misses child support payments for his 4 "baby mamas"

Excellent, I forgot, you're not an idiot. So let's get into a pissing contest that amounts to determining the worth of morality by it's abuse. Without any thought or analysis beyond googling some quotes. I'm sure all your hard work proves that all Christians are exactly like Adrian Peterson and DHow, right?

Don't care to comment on the list above, beyond the canned OT reference?

By the way, aren't all atheist atheletes just like Stalin and Pol Pot?

I understand that nuance is not your strong-suit, so I'll explain my post as I would to a child. People are people. Some are more malevolent than others...some are more benevolent than others but we all are some combination of the two to varying extents. Yes, atheists/agnostics have Joseph Stalin in our corner but what ignorant people like you choose to ignore is that you have a plethora of men like King Ferdinand II who initiated the Spanish Inquisition, which saw the torture, extermination, expulsion or conversion of all religious minorities in Spain for 500 years; you fail to acknowledge the Crusades or other Christian-sponsored genocides that have taken place across multiple continents; you fail to acknowledge the Salem Witch trials, etc. Bad people are going to be bad people regardless of whatever creed or doctrine they follow.

HOWEVER...

Religions, especially Christianity, have a number of items in them that are used to perpetuate and legitimize their misdeeds. As I said before, Adrian Peterson feels more than justified for beating the **** out of his kid because of these little tidbits in the bible...

Blows that wound cleanse away evil; strokes make clean the innermost parts. Proverbs 20:30

Whoever spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him. Proverbs 13:24

And if all else fails...

If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place....And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear. Deuteronomy 21:18-21

That nonsense leads to men like Adrian Peterson hitting the kid in the genitals and the following, while feeling justified in their actions....

Or to stuff like this...

http://jonathanturley.org/2011/07/28/man-kills-4-year-old-boy-he-thought-was-gay/

Or the dozens of quotes that justify "disciplining" your wife, owning slaves, killing anyone that has differing opinions to you or your religion, etc. Stuff like this would never be endorsed by a majority of atheists or agnostics. In fact, most of us have become atheists or agnostics from being all too aware of the hypocrisies and immorality in the Bible and the religious texts of organized religions.

Nuance? Your pathetic googling came up with "stuff" like this:

The Hebrew Israelite movement is a group of militant black supremacists as reported by the Southern Poverty Law Center. The Hebrew Israelites call for death for Jews and gay men and lesbians, and celebrate the Christmas holiday by “lynching” effigies of the Virgin Mary and Santa Claus.

And your using that as an example to show us how evil Christianity is? This is your idea of nuanced, intellectual discourse?

Nice try with the bible verses. Can you show me where Proverbs 20:30 is supposed to be applied specifically to children? Right, all the bible verses are to blame for Adrian Peterson's child abuse, but his outright ignoring bible verses about marriage, sexual conduct, etc have no bearing on anything. Brilliant line of reasoning you've got there.

Oh no, the majority of atheists/agnostics would never condone anything like killing, abortion, infanticide, euthanasia, or my personal favorite, eugenics. Actually, they can and do support those things because, in your system of 'awareness', there's no hypocrisy or immorality involved. As I originally stated, your worldview has no need for looking at people as anything more than hyperdeveloped apes or 2D images on a screen. Unless of course, the mood strikes you otherwise.

What finely educated atheists/agnostics like you fail to recognize, which I'll repeat again here, since you seem unable to grasp the concept, is that the Crusades, the Inquistion and Salem Witch Trials were the result of folks NOT following the precepts of Christianity, which, if you would bother to read and possibly understand the Biblical concepts as a whole, instead of your incessant Dawkins-esque illiterate approach to exegesis by verse isolation, you would see is judging a worldview by it's abuse, not it's actual application.

Nice of you to acknowlege Stalin; since your so high on nuance, why don't you google the body counts on the folks in "your corner" and then compare them to the "plethora" of examples you have with the Inquistion and the Crusades. By the way, the documented body count for the Salem Witch Trials was about 18 people. Apply your fine sense of nuance to those numbers in "your corner", and the policies that brought them about. Maybe you can comment on the fine tolerance those in "your corner" have shown for those who don't subscribe to "your" opinion.

Rather than your imbecilic focus on pathetically out of context bible studies, why don't you ask yourself if maybe, just maybe, Adrian Peterson isn't a product of the list I originally posted? 3 responses and you have yet to manage anything intelligible.

NardDogNation wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Funny (not really), but this country's spent decades teaching that:

1) Humans are no different than animals. A dog is a pig is a boy is an ant.
2) Nothing's truly bad, unless you happen to get caught. Still, it's not really any one else's business anyway.
3) The family is nothing but a patriarchal contrivance aimed at keeping women down.
4) Marriage is meaningless, and should be treated as such. At the very least it shouldn't be nearly as important as a contract for a used car.
5) Entertainment is the key to life.
6) Children can be viewed as an unwanted, inconvenient burden.
7) Summarily, it's your economy that truly matters.

Now complain about child abuse in dysfunctional single parent homes funded by millions of entertainment dollars.

And no one is maintaining that child abuse doesn't occur in traditional, married families. Plenty of folks take the spare the rod verse way too far. Just like they do with other biblical precepts.

But tell me how any of the numbered points would net you anything but an environment that's ripe for what's suddently wrong when the scars and bruises show up in some doctor's office somewhere.

You're right. We should all take a time machine back 2,000 years and follow a book that advocates stoning your kid to death if he/she is disobedient. That clearly is morality at its finest! Do that today and you'll have Child Services in your ass. Unbelievable! This is what happens when you let these goddamn liberals run a muck.

Another brilliant retort from the board's morality meter. Time travel. Actually, the book dates back before 2000 years ago, but feel free to enlighten us on how great this very second's up-to-date morality is working out for all of us. Especially in the cases we're all discussing in this thread.

Oh that's right, you really don't care, because you're just actually concerned with only what the 2-D images do on TV.

Now tell us how religion and ol' BS texts are the basis for everything wrong in the world, including Adrian Peterson's current problem. Dayum lunatic fundamentalists!

My apologies. I should've known that a "scholar", such as yourself, needed an exact date for when the Bible was written. After all, this point was clearly the crux of my post.

But while we're on the topic of Adrian Peterson, it seems as though the "2-D images on TV" had nothing to do with him pummeling his 4 year old son until he drew blood. His miracle book, however, certainly did and has left him feeling more than righteous about his actions:

"People understand that if you are on God's course and suppose to have that position and man decides to remove you know that God will remove everyone to place you rightfully! You matter!....Its your season! Weapons may form but won’t prosper! God has you covered don’t stress or worry!"-Adrian Peterson

And who could blame him? He was well within his right to stone that little mother****er to death! The kid should feel lucky that he got off easy! After all, Adrian Peterson is a man of God. It's why he impregnated 7 different strippers out of wedlock. You got to ask yourself, who better to have raise your seed than women who have no other marketable skills besides taking their clothes off for money? Stay classy Adrian....but most important of all, stay Christian! Now if you'll excuse me, I've got to go and have Dwight Howard lecture me about the gospel as he chases former dolla' ho porn star, Mary Carey through her home as he misses child support payments for his 4 "baby mamas"

Excellent, I forgot, you're not an idiot. So let's get into a pissing contest that amounts to determining the worth of morality by it's abuse. Without any thought or analysis beyond googling some quotes. I'm sure all your hard work proves that all Christians are exactly like Adrian Peterson and DHow, right?

Don't care to comment on the list above, beyond the canned OT reference?

By the way, aren't all atheist atheletes just like Stalin and Pol Pot?

I understand that nuance is not your strong-suit, so I'll explain my post as I would to a child. People are people. Some are more malevolent than others...some are more benevolent than others but we all are some combination of the two to varying extents. Yes, atheists/agnostics have Joseph Stalin in our corner but what ignorant people like you choose to ignore is that you have a plethora of men like King Ferdinand II who initiated the Spanish Inquisition, which saw the torture, extermination, expulsion or conversion of all religious minorities in Spain for 500 years; you fail to acknowledge the Crusades or other Christian-sponsored genocides that have taken place across multiple continents; you fail to acknowledge the Salem Witch trials, etc. Bad people are going to be bad people regardless of whatever creed or doctrine they follow.

HOWEVER...

Religions, especially Christianity, have a number of items in them that are used to perpetuate and legitimize their misdeeds. As I said before, Adrian Peterson feels more than justified for beating the **** out of his kid because of these little tidbits in the bible...

Blows that wound cleanse away evil; strokes make clean the innermost parts. Proverbs 20:30

Whoever spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him. Proverbs 13:24

And if all else fails...

If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place....And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear. Deuteronomy 21:18-21

That nonsense leads to men like Adrian Peterson hitting the kid in the genitals and the following, while feeling justified in their actions....

Or to stuff like this...

http://jonathanturley.org/2011/07/28/man-kills-4-year-old-boy-he-thought-was-gay/

Or the dozens of quotes that justify "disciplining" your wife, owning slaves, killing anyone that has differing opinions to you or your religion, etc. Stuff like this would never be endorsed by a majority of atheists or agnostics. In fact, most of us have become atheists or agnostics from being all too aware of the hypocrisies and immorality in the Bible and the religious texts of organized religions.

Nuance? Your pathetic googling came up with "stuff" like this:

The Hebrew Israelite movement is a group of militant black supremacists as reported by the Southern Poverty Law Center. The Hebrew Israelites call for death for Jews and gay men and lesbians, and celebrate the Christmas holiday by “lynching” effigies of the Virgin Mary and Santa Claus.

And your using that as an example to show us how evil Christianity is? This is your idea of nuanced, intellectual discourse?

Nice try with the bible verses. Can you show me where Proverbs 20:30 is supposed to be applied specifically to children? Right, all the bible verses are to blame for Adrian Peterson's child abuse, but his outright ignoring bible verses about marriage, sexual conduct, etc have no bearing on anything. Brilliant line of reasoning you've got there.

Oh no, the majority of atheists/agnostics would never condone anything like killing, abortion, infanticide, euthanasia, or my personal favorite, eugenics. Actually, they can and do support those things because, in your system of 'awareness', there's no hypocrisy or immorality involved. As I originally stated, your worldview has no need for looking at people as anything more than hyperdeveloped apes or 2D images on a screen. Unless of course, the mood strikes you otherwise.

What finely educated atheists/agnostics like you fail to recognize, which I'll repeat again here, since you seem unable to grasp the concept, is that the Crusades, the Inquistion and Salem Witch Trials were the result of folks NOT following the precepts of Christianity, which, if you would bother to read and possibly understand the Biblical concepts as a whole, instead of your incessant Dawkins-esque illiterate approach to exegesis by verse isolation, you would see is judging a worldview by it's abuse, not it's actual application.

Nice of you to acknowlege Stalin; since your so high on nuance, why don't you google the body counts on the folks in "your corner" and then compare them to the "plethora" of examples you have with the Inquistion and the Crusades. By the way, the documented body count for the Salem Witch Trials was about 18 people. Apply your fine sense of nuance to those numbers in "your corner", and the policies that brought them about. Maybe you can comment on the fine tolerance those in "your corner" have shown for those who don't subscribe to "your" opinion.

Rather than your imbecilic focus on pathetically out of context bible studies, why don't you ask yourself if maybe, just maybe, Adrian Peterson isn't a product of the list I originally posted? 3 responses and you have yet to manage anything intelligible.

You can throw a hissy-fit all you want, it doesn't change the fact that you haven't read the Bible and are simply misdirecting. The excerpts I've found are all Biblical cannon and were expected to be carried out as a matter of course. Its why they were especially explicit in their intent: break this law and this will happen to you; break that law, etc. What you are reluctant to accept is that killing children (misbehaving, or of people you deem unsavory), beating wives, raping women (to get them to marry you), keeping slaves, ecetera are all acts endorsed by the Bible. It humors me that you keep referring to the need for context, when context was already inherent in the verses themselves. Not sure how much more context you need than this:

If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place....And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear. Deuteronomy 21:18-21

Are "stones" a figurative interpretation of love? Is him "die(ing)" a figurative interpretation of him being re-born a better person in the image of God, lol? Humor me with your bullsh...I mean, "context".

P.S., since your so keen on "context", maybe you should apply it to your own reasoning. Stalin's reign was during the 1950s, which represented the pinnacle of weapon technology and global population of the two time periods. Is it really that difficult to fathom that better weapons plus more people to kill equals higher body count? At best today, we can only estimate the number of people he killed; what makes you think any reasonable estimate can be calculated several centuries ago? Common sense buddy. It doesn't change the fact that Christians organized and were the foot soldiers of genocides in their own countries and abroad (Africa, North America and South Africa). Because that's what Jesus would do.

Context. What was the actual purpose of the OT law? Do you even know, or care to find out, Mr. Bible Answer Man? No you don't. You keep repeating the same tripe over and over like a 4 year old getting a timeout. Have you ever read Romans? Galations? Or even Genesis? The OT law foreshadowed the fact that man is not capable of keeping the law, as we can see in our stellar example of Adrien Peterson, or any one of us, for that matter. You break one law, you've broken them all. But guess what? Did every rebellious son get stoned to death? Did everyone who committed adultery, theft, murder get stoned to death? Did Adam and Eve die for breaking the one law they were given? No. Mercy. Grace. Look those words up some time when you're not so busy trying to show everyone your Seminary by Google degree. Seriously Nard, you are terribly smarter than what you're purveying here.

Excerpts. Exactly. Unfortunately for you, there's about 15,000 other 'excerpts' you're ignorant of.

Stalin's reign was based on weaponry and more people to kill? The majority of the people he killed were his own supporters. At best the estimates of his body counts range in the TENS OF MILLIONS. He didn't drop a-bombs on folks, Nard, he had them shot in the back of the neck. Pol Pot? What sophisticated weaponry did he use on his millions? Plastic bags? I heard in Cambodia you could get killed for wearing glasses or Mother Nature forbid, a white collar, let alone being disrespectul to your local community father.

Nard, my whole point is not to push a theocracy and a crucifix down your throat. I'm just trying to show that with the 'advances' in social theory I've listed, what in there can you refute or establish as not being a possibly necessary cause to what we're experiencing here? Didn't I read a post somewhere by some extremely social conscious guy about the importance of a stable two-parent home for raising his future kids?

Relax, I understand your hate for Jesus.

Nalod wrote:
No talking head can say they are in "Support" of child abuse. Anger sells ratings and so we all get enraged.
Few are as enraged as what the Gazan leadership does with its children or that hundereds of children being killed each day around the world.

But we care about NFL football and criticize Goodell like he is an elected politician!

I don't agree with Barkley's position because but I respect his honesty.

I think the outrage against Peterson is a bit racially bias.

In many cases by Israel- Unless you had your head in the sand, you will have seen outrage about both sides.

I don't know, you seem to fine with Israel killing children (aparantly it's not their fault- Palestinians made them do it!), fine with men battering their girlfriends unconscious and dragging them out the elevator (she probably made him do it!), and now you're fine with dads beating their kids bloody with sticks (they probably made him do it!). I find it bizarre that you seem to think this is all a media conspiracy and no big deal- in fact I don't even get your point about no one being able to speak out in support of child abuse- are you saying thats a bad thing?! Some people see the victims and the acts and feel it in their guts that its wrong- you don't seem to have this reaction, no idea what thats about, but some people do- they aren't being tricked by the media.

Vikes were trying to keep him on the field, no matter how stupid they looked. It this guy was some third string CB, he'd have been banished from the team in a heartbeat.

Winning isn't everything, especially when the sposnsors start dropping away.

smackeddog wrote:

Nalod wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Nalod wrote:
No talking head can say they are in "Support" of child abuse. Anger sells ratings and so we all get enraged.
Few are as enraged as what the Gazan leadership does with its children or that hundereds of children being killed each day around the world.

But we care about NFL football and criticize Goodell like he is an elected politician!

I don't agree with Barkley's position because but I respect his honesty.

I think the outrage against Peterson is a bit racially bias.

In many cases by Israel- Unless you had your head in the sand, you will have seen outrage about both sides.

I don't know, you seem to fine with Israel killing children (aparantly it's not their fault- Palestinians made them do it!), fine with men battering their girlfriends unconscious and dragging them out the elevator (she probably made him do it!), and now you're fine with dads beating their kids bloody with sticks (they probably made him do it!). I find it bizarre that you seem to think this is all a media conspiracy and no big deal- in fact I don't even get your point about no one being able to speak out in support of child abuse- are you saying thats a bad thing?! Some people see the victims and the acts and feel it in their guts that its wrong- you don't seem to have this reaction, no idea what thats about, but some people do- they aren't being tricked by the media.

YOu take a lot of liberties filling in the blanks.

Hamas would rather destroy israel than take care of their own children. Most societies take car of their children and defend themselves against an aggressor. Hamas has destroyed its manufacturing base and any agricultural means because they can import more cargo and therefore smuggle in more arms. The Hamas party has it agenda. Its not to govern but destroy another. If that jives with your beliefs then it is what it is.

Im not fine with any of it.

Im disturbed that NFL football is being judged over our own society. I guess if it takes Budweiser and Raddison to pull its sponsorship then maybe good comes out of it. Vikings need AD as its face of franchise cuz its building a new stadium. I doubt Vikes love AD hitting his kids but its busisness. Just like Raddison pulling out.

You mean to tell me our society does not know its wrong to beat your kids? What Barkley was saying, and "community standards" of corporal punishment puts a big gray area over the issue. When does a spanking turn into a beating? When Budweiser says so?

AD and "whuppings" are part of who he is. HE should know better and the fact he is not around his kids is a big difference.
The laws should be changed but in texas its "community standards". Its time the law was modernized. That I agree.

When Public opinion weighs in it gets complicated. "Stand down law" was why the prosecutor in florida was reluctant to further the Trayvon Martin case but public outcry forced the arrest and a failed attempt. The effort needs to go into changing the law.

Our society "reacts"

Like I said, these are mostly black players making headlines and I think there are racist overtones.
My opinion. Im learning and it can change.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11540145/friends-family-recall-whippings-adrian-peterson-minnesota-vikings

I'd say societal outrage is important in challenging perceptions, attitudes an behaviour. It's not enough just to rely on the law because a lot, A LOT of abuse goes unreported.

In most cases abusers justify it to themselves by convincing themselves (and the victim) that they made them do it, that the victims are worthless, that 'they wanted it', and silence the victim by fear and intimidation. Victims often tell themselves that they are to blame, that they 'asked for it', that they are worthless and that it's futile to speak out because no one will believe them or they will suffer even worse repercussions.

We contribute to that as a society by colluding ('the victim probably provoked them', 'it's not abuse it's 'discipline'', 'if they had a problem with it why didn't they leave them', 'I was hit myself as a child and turned out okay', 'I hit my kids not because I'm angry and have lost control of the situation, but just for their own good- it hurts me more than it hurts them', 'kids are getting soft and unruly these days because they're not hit enough' etc etc.).

I think it's great the media are discussing these issues- it gives me hope that some of these assumptions that help perpetuate abuse will get challenged. Everyone has the right to live their lives free from fear, abuse and harm- everyone. If the police had taken no action, and the NFL took no action, what the hell kind of message does that send out to victims?

You make good points. I do recognize the good it is doing. Same for when "Imus" got called out for his comments.

JRod, if Eli beat his kids Im sure the reaction would be similar. I suppose I am seeing that these are high profile names where in the past the scrubs would get arrested and nobody cared. Including the sponsers.
"Stars" do matter.

My take is Eli's kids might beat him instead!

NardDogNation wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Funny (not really), but this country's spent decades teaching that:

1) Humans are no different than animals. A dog is a pig is a boy is an ant.
2) Nothing's truly bad, unless you happen to get caught. Still, it's not really any one else's business anyway.
3) The family is nothing but a patriarchal contrivance aimed at keeping women down.
4) Marriage is meaningless, and should be treated as such. At the very least it shouldn't be nearly as important as a contract for a used car.
5) Entertainment is the key to life.
6) Children can be viewed as an unwanted, inconvenient burden.
7) Summarily, it's your economy that truly matters.

Now complain about child abuse in dysfunctional single parent homes funded by millions of entertainment dollars.

And no one is maintaining that child abuse doesn't occur in traditional, married families. Plenty of folks take the spare the rod verse way too far. Just like they do with other biblical precepts.

But tell me how any of the numbered points would net you anything but an environment that's ripe for what's suddently wrong when the scars and bruises show up in some doctor's office somewhere.

You're right. We should all take a time machine back 2,000 years and follow a book that advocates stoning your kid to death if he/she is disobedient. That clearly is morality at its finest! Do that today and you'll have Child Services in your ass. Unbelievable! This is what happens when you let these goddamn liberals run a muck.

Another brilliant retort from the board's morality meter. Time travel. Actually, the book dates back before 2000 years ago, but feel free to enlighten us on how great this very second's up-to-date morality is working out for all of us. Especially in the cases we're all discussing in this thread.

Oh that's right, you really don't care, because you're just actually concerned with only what the 2-D images do on TV.

Now tell us how religion and ol' BS texts are the basis for everything wrong in the world, including Adrian Peterson's current problem. Dayum lunatic fundamentalists!

My apologies. I should've known that a "scholar", such as yourself, needed an exact date for when the Bible was written. After all, this point was clearly the crux of my post.

But while we're on the topic of Adrian Peterson, it seems as though the "2-D images on TV" had nothing to do with him pummeling his 4 year old son until he drew blood. His miracle book, however, certainly did and has left him feeling more than righteous about his actions:

"People understand that if you are on God's course and suppose to have that position and man decides to remove you know that God will remove everyone to place you rightfully! You matter!....Its your season! Weapons may form but won’t prosper! God has you covered don’t stress or worry!"-Adrian Peterson

And who could blame him? He was well within his right to stone that little mother****er to death! The kid should feel lucky that he got off easy! After all, Adrian Peterson is a man of God. It's why he impregnated 7 different strippers out of wedlock. You got to ask yourself, who better to have raise your seed than women who have no other marketable skills besides taking their clothes off for money? Stay classy Adrian....but most important of all, stay Christian! Now if you'll excuse me, I've got to go and have Dwight Howard lecture me about the gospel as he chases former dolla' ho porn star, Mary Carey through her home as he misses child support payments for his 4 "baby mamas"

Excellent, I forgot, you're not an idiot. So let's get into a pissing contest that amounts to determining the worth of morality by it's abuse. Without any thought or analysis beyond googling some quotes. I'm sure all your hard work proves that all Christians are exactly like Adrian Peterson and DHow, right?

Don't care to comment on the list above, beyond the canned OT reference?

By the way, aren't all atheist atheletes just like Stalin and Pol Pot?

I understand that nuance is not your strong-suit, so I'll explain my post as I would to a child. People are people. Some are more malevolent than others...some are more benevolent than others but we all are some combination of the two to varying extents. Yes, atheists/agnostics have Joseph Stalin in our corner but what ignorant people like you choose to ignore is that you have a plethora of men like King Ferdinand II who initiated the Spanish Inquisition, which saw the torture, extermination, expulsion or conversion of all religious minorities in Spain for 500 years; you fail to acknowledge the Crusades or other Christian-sponsored genocides that have taken place across multiple continents; you fail to acknowledge the Salem Witch trials, etc. Bad people are going to be bad people regardless of whatever creed or doctrine they follow.

HOWEVER...

Religions, especially Christianity, have a number of items in them that are used to perpetuate and legitimize their misdeeds. As I said before, Adrian Peterson feels more than justified for beating the **** out of his kid because of these little tidbits in the bible...

Blows that wound cleanse away evil; strokes make clean the innermost parts. Proverbs 20:30

Whoever spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him. Proverbs 13:24

And if all else fails...

If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place....And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear. Deuteronomy 21:18-21

That nonsense leads to men like Adrian Peterson hitting the kid in the genitals and the following, while feeling justified in their actions....

Or to stuff like this...

http://jonathanturley.org/2011/07/28/man-kills-4-year-old-boy-he-thought-was-gay/

Or the dozens of quotes that justify "disciplining" your wife, owning slaves, killing anyone that has differing opinions to you or your religion, etc. Stuff like this would never be endorsed by a majority of atheists or agnostics. In fact, most of us have become atheists or agnostics from being all too aware of the hypocrisies and immorality in the Bible and the religious texts of organized religions.

Nuance? Your pathetic googling came up with "stuff" like this:

The Hebrew Israelite movement is a group of militant black supremacists as reported by the Southern Poverty Law Center. The Hebrew Israelites call for death for Jews and gay men and lesbians, and celebrate the Christmas holiday by “lynching” effigies of the Virgin Mary and Santa Claus.

And your using that as an example to show us how evil Christianity is? This is your idea of nuanced, intellectual discourse?

Nice try with the bible verses. Can you show me where Proverbs 20:30 is supposed to be applied specifically to children? Right, all the bible verses are to blame for Adrian Peterson's child abuse, but his outright ignoring bible verses about marriage, sexual conduct, etc have no bearing on anything. Brilliant line of reasoning you've got there.

Oh no, the majority of atheists/agnostics would never condone anything like killing, abortion, infanticide, euthanasia, or my personal favorite, eugenics. Actually, they can and do support those things because, in your system of 'awareness', there's no hypocrisy or immorality involved. As I originally stated, your worldview has no need for looking at people as anything more than hyperdeveloped apes or 2D images on a screen. Unless of course, the mood strikes you otherwise.

What finely educated atheists/agnostics like you fail to recognize, which I'll repeat again here, since you seem unable to grasp the concept, is that the Crusades, the Inquistion and Salem Witch Trials were the result of folks NOT following the precepts of Christianity, which, if you would bother to read and possibly understand the Biblical concepts as a whole, instead of your incessant Dawkins-esque illiterate approach to exegesis by verse isolation, you would see is judging a worldview by it's abuse, not it's actual application.

Nice of you to acknowlege Stalin; since your so high on nuance, why don't you google the body counts on the folks in "your corner" and then compare them to the "plethora" of examples you have with the Inquistion and the Crusades. By the way, the documented body count for the Salem Witch Trials was about 18 people. Apply your fine sense of nuance to those numbers in "your corner", and the policies that brought them about. Maybe you can comment on the fine tolerance those in "your corner" have shown for those who don't subscribe to "your" opinion.

Rather than your imbecilic focus on pathetically out of context bible studies, why don't you ask yourself if maybe, just maybe, Adrian Peterson isn't a product of the list I originally posted? 3 responses and you have yet to manage anything intelligible.

You can throw a hissy-fit all you want, it doesn't change the fact that you haven't read the Bible and are simply misdirecting. The excerpts I've found are all Biblical cannon and were expected to be carried out as a matter of course. Its why they were especially explicit in their intent: break this law and this will happen to you; break that law, etc. What you are reluctant to accept is that killing children (misbehaving, or of people you deem unsavory), beating wives, raping women (to get them to marry you), keeping slaves, ecetera are all acts endorsed by the Bible. It humors me that you keep referring to the need for context, when context was already inherent in the verses themselves. Not sure how much more context you need than this:

If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place....And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear. Deuteronomy 21:18-21

Are "stones" a figurative interpretation of love? Is him "die(ing)" a figurative interpretation of him being re-born a better person in the image of God, lol? Humor me with your bullsh...I mean, "context".

P.S., since your so keen on "context", maybe you should apply it to your own reasoning. Stalin's reign was during the 1950s, which represented the pinnacle of weapon technology and global population of the two time periods. Is it really that difficult to fathom that better weapons plus more people to kill equals higher body count? At best today, we can only estimate the number of people he killed; what makes you think any reasonable estimate can be calculated several centuries ago? Common sense buddy. It doesn't change the fact that Christians organized and were the foot soldiers of genocides in their own countries and abroad (Africa, North America and South Africa). Because that's what Jesus would do.

Context. What was the actual purpose of the OT law? Do you even know, or care to find out, Mr. Bible Answer Man? No you don't. You keep repeating the same tripe over and over like a 4 year old getting a timeout. Have you ever read Romans? Galations? Or even Genesis? The OT law foreshadowed the fact that man is not capable of keeping the law, as we can see in our stellar example of Adrien Peterson, or any one of us, for that matter. You break one law, you've broken them all. But guess what? Did every rebellious son get stoned to death? Did everyone who committed adultery, theft, murder get stoned to death? Did Adam and Eve die for breaking the one law they were given? No. Mercy. Grace. Look those words up some time when you're not so busy trying to show everyone your Seminary by Google degree. Seriously Nard, you are terribly smarter than what you're purveying here.

Excerpts. Exactly. Unfortunately for you, there's about 15,000 other 'excerpts' you're ignorant of.

Stalin's reign was based on weaponry and more people to kill? The majority of the people he killed were his own supporters. At best the estimates of his body counts range in the TENS OF MILLIONS. He didn't drop a-bombs on folks, Nard, he had them shot in the back of the neck. Pol Pot? What sophisticated weaponry did he use on his millions? Plastic bags? I heard in Cambodia you could get killed for wearing glasses or Mother Nature forbid, a white collar, let alone being disrespectul to your local community father.

Nard, my whole point is not to push a theocracy and a crucifix down your throat. I'm just trying to show that with the 'advances' in social theory I've listed, what in there can you refute or establish as not being a possibly necessary cause to what we're experiencing here? Didn't I read a post somewhere by some extremely social conscious guy about the importance of a stable two-parent home for raising his future kids?

Relax, I understand your hate for Jesus.

Yes, I've read the Bible, cover to cover as a former Catholic school student, who was seeking to be confirmed. I'm no scholar but I understand it well enough to vaguely remember those verses and to also recognize that you have no idea what the **** you're talking about. I wouldn't be surprised if you are the joke that professes to be a Christian, attend church every Sunday but never actually read the Bible. On to your points...

Now that we've dispensed with your latest pointless ad hominems, on to your 'points':

NardDogNation wrote:

The OT law foreshadowed the fact that man is not capable of keeping the law, as we can see in our stellar example of Adrien Peterson

-jrodmc
Seemed that Adrian Peterson kept Old Testament law just fine, which preaches an overly heavy hand to any and every situation. Evidently you were not paying attention to the part where they recommended stoning a mother****er to death for persistently disobeying his parents.

NardDogNation wrote:

But guess what? Did every rebellious son get stoned to death? Did everyone who committed adultery, theft, murder get stoned to death?

-jrodmc
The only person that beat the adultery charge in the Bible (that I'm aware of) is King David when he ****ed Bathsheba (and had her husband sent to the frontlines to be killed). The Old Testament was never big on forgiveness for crimes and as I said before, often was heavy handed with the slightest of offenses. Either way, the exceptions don't make a rule, sparse as they are.

NardDogNation wrote:

Did Adam and Eve die for breaking the one law they were given? No. Mercy. Grace.

-jrodmc
Adam and Eve came before Abrahamic Law you dolt. Before it, there was no law; no burning bush, the subsequent commandments and canon that followed. There was only one rule and it was for them to not eat from the tree of Wisdom, which you evidently were immune to. And if I recall correctly, the punishment for Adam and Eve breaking that rule was them being cast out of Eden, being made mortal, having them and their descendants "stained with sin" in perpetuity, being made susceptible to sickness and disease, and women having periods and painful child birthing experiences. Not exactly what I'd call "mercy" and "grace". Since you clearly need a refresher course, I'd recommend you re-read Genesis.

The punishment they recieved was not death, but all those other lousy things. Still, I guess in your economy of morality, better dead than miserable, right? Oh, and I guess the promise of redemption doesn't count towards those fabulous two words you have little to no use for.

Oh, and in case you're wondering, I'm hoping you were referring to Mosaic Law, since Abraham didn't recieve any laws, since he was long dead when the Law was given. Good try though. Sounded really impressive.

And in your 'real world' understanding of scripture, how were Adam and Eve, or anything else God created immortal? Where does it say: He created all this to last forever? See, here's another verse you should possibly read:

22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” 23

NardDogNation wrote:For someone that spends so much time living in a fantasy world, I'd recommend that you avoid speaking about the real world that the rest of us live in. If by Stalin's supporters, you mean Russians/Soviets, yes, "the people he killed were his own supporters". But the reality is that many of the people that were sent to Gulags/outright executed were criminals, dissenters, nobility and the clergy who were all the anti-theist of the communist movement that Stalin had been associated with. In any case, I'm still not sure what bearing that has on my earlier point. Once again, it is far easier to run up body counts in the modern era than it has been in the past. For one, there simply are more targets AND technological advances have made it easier as well as more efficient. Only an idiot would argue the counterpoint...but I'm not surprised that you are more than willing to assume that mantle. Do you really think a spear is a more effective killing tool than a sword, than is a musket, than is a revolver, than is a rifle, than is a machine gun, than is whatever **** that is being used in the field today? Beyond that, raw numbers without context means nothing. After all, killing 1 million people in a 20 million person world is a far worse tragedy than killing 6 million in a 6 billion person world.

So in your astute analysis, killing more available targets with better weaponry is the key to the analyis of worldviews, along with your technologically brilliant and morally stunning use of fractions and ratios. Although, as you whine on like a bratty little kid, you conveniently keep ignoring the fact that there's not much technology involved in sending people to Siberia to freeze and starve to death, or use plastic bags taped over their heads to allow for suffocation. Do you really think cold and wind and plastic bags are more effective tools of atheism than "machine guns or whatever is used in the field today" <--- again, what this has to do with the outworkings of the atheist worldview in "your corner" is really beyond comprehension. People who killed people in the Crusades were evil, because they wore and carried crosses. People who killed a whole lot more people while not carrying or wearing crosses were just more efficient. Got ya. Great point. Feel free to expand on that even more. Tell me about the Neutron bombs again, bro.

And while your ranting on pointlessly about my idiocy and the 'real world', why not try to explain why Stalin wasn't just living out his atheistic worldview perfectly in killing all those criminals, dissenters, nobility and [ewwwwwwww] clergy who represented the 'anti-theist' of the communist movement? I really don't know what you (and obviously you don't either) are trying to prove with that statement. How are theists the atheists of an atheistic communist movement? You make no sense. But then again, you've always been great on what you deem nuance, and not coherence. You see, in the real world, folks normally like coherent answers to questions, not the drivel you self-importantly call 'nuance'. You just don't get that your previous point of wailing against the injustice of the Crusades, Inquisition and the Salem Witch Trials is just a poor, idiotic attempt at discrediting anything biblically based, when those perpurtrators weren't following any of the biblical principals of which you seem to think you have such a great grasp.

And please, just make at least one attempt, oh genius of the enlightenment, at addressing my original post. I see you're now onto your fifth response with nothing informative to say.